SEN 1552

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  1. Hurons in Toronoto
  2. Darth Vader flys f1H at the Nats ?

The Toronto Free Flight Group

Presents the 11th Annual


Huron Cup


An Americas and World Cup FF Competition

Dates:Saturday, July 16th and Sunday July 17th 2011

Place: CFB Borden, Angus, Ontario, Canada

Events: F1A, F1B, F1C, F1G, F1H, F1J/P – Catapult glider

Entry Fees: $25.00 for F1A, F1B, F1C $10.00 for F1G, F1H, F1J/P

Juniors $5.00 all events!

CD: Tony Mathews

2 Tralee Street, Brampton, Ontario L6Z 2X4 (705) 754-5553

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SaturdayJuly 16th

F1A/B/C Round 1 9:00 am – 10:00 am3 minute maxes

Round 2 10:00 am – 11:00 am
Round 3 11:00 am – 12:00 pm
Round 4 12:00 pm – 1:00 pm
Round 5 1:00 pm – 2:00 pm
Round 6 2:00 pm – 3:00 pm
Round 7 3:00 pm – 4:00 pm

F1A/B/C Fly-offs7:30 pm (weather permitting)

F1G/H/J/P Round 1 4:00 pm - 5:00 pm

Round 2 5:00 pm - 6:00 pm2 minute maxes

Round 3 6:00 pm – 7:00 pm

Sunday July 17th

F1G/H/J/P Round 4 7:00 am – 8:00 am

Round 5 8:00 am – 9:00 am2 minute maxes

Fly-offs9:30 am(To be determined by necessity and weather conditions)

AMACatapult glider – 8:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.

90 second max - best 3 of 6 flights

Map showing entry to field available on request.

(Sunrise for July 16th - 5:51 am Sunset - 20:54 pm)

Ken Bauer and Darth Vader fly an F1H from FB to the Nats

Ken Bauer's FB Photos - Wall Photos

Just finished new carbon F1H wings so I'll have something to fly Tuesday at the Nationals. A "Roland like" airfoil 7.5% thick. Should be a rocket!
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    Gerard Willemsen, Victor Stamov, Rene Limberger and 14 others like this.
        Paul Love love the black look... sinister
        Vasyl Beschasnyy Nice planform--Mine may match ,almost to it..
        Ken Bauer I was thinking about a name for this series of black carbon models, maybe "Darth Glider"?
        Lee Hines Mini Black Mamba Rocket! Ken, why not let me fly it instead? :-) I promise to trim it nicely for you...???
        Allard van Wallene See you master the ribbed roller trick ;-)
        Paul Love black pearl I
        Charlie Jones those look very nice Ken.
        Ken Bauer Allard- yep I used a ribbed roller on these wings for the first time. Cloth weave spread real nice on the layup but there are still spots where the fibers got distorted again apparently when the layup is wrapped around the core and inserted in the vacuum bag. Just cosmetic flaws which I can live with however.
        Brian Bauer F1Vader
        Tony Mathews For a serious interjection, what do they weigh?
        Charlie Jones Also, what do you mean by using a "ribbed roller"?
        Tony Mathews Look part way down here for a roller with a ribbed surface:
        Ken Bauer Weight is just over 100 grams. Seems pretty good considering huge carbon spars I put in the main panels. Think I'm on target for F1H weight. Tony explained the ribbed roller!
        Tony Mathews I was hoping you could whip out a pair for F1B for me. But at 100 grams..... ;-) Oh well. what weight cloth are you using Ken and what foam?
        Ken Bauer What are F1B wings, 75g? Used 65gm/m2 cloth on mains and 52 on tips. Core is all HiLoad-40. Tips are only 17g each! Way more spar than a B needs.
        Roger Morrell F1B are 60 or less
        Jim Buxton I did some calcs last year. A 40-psi F1B wing with two layers of 3/4 cloth *should* weigh in at just over 60 grams.
        Jim Buxton Ken, we always seem to be bagging at the same time(almost last minute:) My big outdoor nats DLG wing goes in the bag tonight.
        Ken Bauer It's clear to me that a great F1B wing could be vacuum bagged and light enough after all the indoor gliders I've made, but I don't think the B guys will believe it until they see it! The 65g/m2 carbon on this wing is like 2oz cloth which is overkill for B, and there is about 25g extra in my main spars.
        Mike McKeever Nice looking!
        Roger Morrell Ken. I believe. What's the span, root chord and area ?
        Rene Limberger Looks good, Ken!
        Chris Edge Good name for a carbon F1B : 'Black and Tan' - name of a heavy drink from these parts. Still trying to think up names for an 'H.
        Priscilla L. Miller Awesome...
        Ken Bauer
        Roger believes! Roger, this wing is 242 sq inches with a 60.4" proj span and 4.4" main chord. (Sorry, I'm nostalgic and use inches vs mm) So this process yields 100g/242=.41g/sq". I've got this number as low as .126g/sq" for stabs and i...See More
        Rey Mazzocco Ken/Jim: Do you vary the vacuum based on the psi of the core so that the foam isn't compressed more than the spar or is the HiLoad 40 stong enough to keep the surface smooth?
        Ken Bauer Ray, I've used full vacuum around 25"hg with foam down to 25psi with no problems. Foam does not compress. However when I tried some white beaded foam (6psi) it crunched even with reduced vacuum.
        Rey Mazzocco Thanks for the info! Was overthinking as usual. Just picked up a used feathercut system off ebay, so have all the parts now to start bagging wings.

so be at the Nats on F1H day and see Darth Vader's - new F1H missile

Roger Morrell