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- Thanks
- Open letter on F1A airfoils
- Scat Annual
Thanks to All
Again, thanks so much.
Bob Gutai
An Open Letter To All Interested F1A Flyers, Clubs and Societies
from Brian Eggleston , Toronto, Canada
I have recently contacted Prof. Michael Selig who is renowned for designing low RN airfoils and their testing in the low turbulence wind tunnel facility at the University Illinois Urbana-Champaign (UIUC). They have already tested many airfoils suitable for RC models and FAI sailplane categories, plus a few F1C airfoils. Several reports on this work have been issued by SoarTech that contain useful data at model RN and also includes comparisons with XFOIL predictions.
There is a critical shortage of reliable wind tunnel test data on airfoils for the F1A category of Free Flight models that would help flyers select airfoils for their new projects. Also there is an increasing interest in using tools like XFOIL, and the version incorporated in Profili, to design improved airfoils for the future. Having a compendium of good test data encompassing currently popular airfoils and promising new designs of airfoils, would greatly assist the F1A fraternity and also other Free Flight categories.
With that in mind I contacted Prof Selig to ascertain his interest and he has responded very positively. So I want to establish the level of interest amongst individual modellers, clubs and National Societies in their participation with sponsorship or donations, and the supply of suitable wind tunnel models. Costs will depend on the number of models involved and the duration of the tests, as there are significant fixed costs for setting up and dismantling the special facility. Prof. Selig has indicated that testing fifteen two-dimensional airfoil models could take about one month. Airfoil testing at low RNs is tricky but the quality at UIUC is amongst the best available anywhere at a reasonable cost.
So, I am undertaking a preliminary survey about the level of interest.
*Would you (individual, club, National Society) be interested in participating in this initiative?
If yes, would you then:
*Provide a donation (nominally in units of US$1000 -2000, but any appreciated), the target is in the mid to high five figures.
*Require access to the preliminary data report
*Commit to provide a wind tunnel model for testing (specifications given below, good accuracy required)
*Want the model digitized afterwards for checking the accuracy.
*Recommend existing airfoils for testing
*Have a promising new airfoil design and provide wind tunnel model(s) suitable for testing
Once enough interest is established in the project, the management of funds will likely be handled by a national society or major club to be determined. Coordination and liaison with UIUC and organizing manufacture of the models will likely require significant part-time effort from persons familiar with wind tunnel models and their testing.
This is an exceptional opportunity to use a highly regarded test facility and thereby raise the standard of excellence in F1A modelling. Please reply to me at the email address given below. You will be kept advised of the status of the project as it evolves.
For more details on the facility, the wind tunnel model design requirements and the kind of testing and data produced, look at :
SCAT Annual
The five in A2 flyoffs went SW upwind for the 5 & 7 minute FOs,
Wake & Power flyers opted to defer their flyoffs til Sunday AM.
In fact, Mike['the WC']McKeever decided the day was ripe to try
He then did 121sec in the normal flyoff round for total time of 83:31!
In HLG, Sevak Malkhasyan was beating his own HLG record with 6x120+85!
He is 10[or 11?]yrs old and throws very well, as does his brother Taron.
Tim Batiuk won Open HLG with 9x120+107, with this CD 3 maxes
Nostalgia Wake was Tom Laird's event, as he did 4 maxes to beat
Flyoffs for A2 & Power were taken out to the SW flightline, which
BVN beat Jim F in A2, while Gil Morris's folder/flapper took Power.
plus the fact lift might be starting soon. We started normal rounds @ 9AM.
Other events, which did begin @ 8AM, were CLG, Vintage FAI Power
Young Taron M broke the Jr CLG record with 5x120+42 & he also won Classic
Tim B did 8x120+91 to win Open CLG, with Stan B 2nd.
Dave Parsons loves Vintage FAI...so he did 5x180 to win. Glenn Schneider
damaged his Lucky Lindy before flying an official.
In F1H, 4 of 6 maxed out, in F1J, it was 2 of 3 & F1G had 3 of 9 clean.
I am surprised that the only F1Q flyer was Bernie Crowe, but he maxed out
quite nicely.
The F1G & F1J events were decided by the 2nd FO flts. Mark Belfield pipped
Blake Jensen in Coupe by dint of slower DT descent.
Austin Gunder won F1J when Dave Johannes was clocked off OOS.
F1H was not decided in the 8 minute FO flt! So Brian & Jim Parker will need
to find a time to have it out before 60 days pass.
missing downwind after the 6 & 8 min FOs, so several gents went off to
search them out. But Brian & crew left at 6:01PM, while the posse returned
with BOTH of Mike's gliders at 6:05PM...hence, the nice evening FO we had
Jim made a 6:15PM thermal flight with his A1, saying he was going to send
Brian a joke email saying,'Sorry you left & missed the 10min FO round, so
guess I won then!'
a Digest cover shot!
Hector Diez & Tony Camuto, for trucking equipment from & to storage bin.
Sharron Emery, Tom Laird, Merry Smith for entry & recording duties.
Jack Emery & Jim Parker for Flyoff Directing.
I would have been lost without them!
F1A
2 Jim Farmer 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 305=2315
3 K Bauer 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 346=1936
4 M McKeever 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 121=1411
5 Joe Farmer 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 105=1395
6=P Allnutt 210 180 178 180 180 180 180=1288
6=L Hines 210 178 180 180 180 180 180=1288
8 B Coussens 210 180 180 166 180 180 180=1276
9 J Parker 210 180 165 180 180 180 180=1275
10 D Parker 210 180 180 180 152 180 180=1262
11 H Diez 210 148 180 180 180 180 180=1258
12 D Zink 210 144 180 180 180 180 180=1254
13 L Tetrick 210 180 180 180 180 180 180=1231
14 M Thompson 210 110 176 180 180 180 180=1216
15 N Smith 210 180 180 123 103 180 180=1156
16 R Puhakka 210 180 180 180 61 180 75=1066
17 T Malkhasyan 162 0 157 180=499
2 G Batiuk 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 299=1589
3 B Piserchio 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 291=1581
4 C Jones 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 278=1568
5 M Mulligan 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 276=1566
6 R Rohrke 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 267=1557
7 J Emery 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 264=1554
8 T Ioerger 210 180 180 180 172 180 180=1282
9 R Morrell 210 180 160 180 180 180 180=1270
10 D Saks 210 180 180 180 180 180 142=1252
11 B Tymchek 18 180 180 180 180 180 180=1098
12 S Malkhasyan 96 103 180 135 180=694
2 E Carroll 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 370=1660
3 L Pulley 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 363=1653
4 D Joyce 210 172 180 180 180 180 180=1282
5 M Gewain 210 180 =390
2 D Parsons 187 180 150 55 180 81 72=905
2 W Funk 120 180 240 220=760
3 J Livotto 120 180 240 0=540
4 B Crowe 120 147 240=507
5 D Gildersleeve 112 180=292
2 L Hines 120x6+118=838
3 S Buddenbohm 120x5+69=669
4 K Bauer 120x4+109=589
5 R Ray 92 58 57=207
6 G Keck 91 37 36=164
7 T Laird 31 38 14=83
1 Sevak Malkhasyan 120x6+85=805
2 Taron Malkhasyan 120x4+67=547
2 B Jensen 120 120 120 120 120 240 360 467=1667
3 Kurt VanNest 120 120 120 120 120 240 215=1055
4 S Malkhasyan120 91 120 120 120 =571
5 D Saks 120 120 120 120 24=540
6 Bob VanNest 120 0 120 120 120 =480
7 C Jones 120 80 120 =320
8 T Ioerger 97 120 =217
9 G Batiuk 120 = 120
1=Jim Parker 120 120 120 120 120 240 360 480+ TBD
1=Brian VanNest120 120 120 120 120 240 360 480+ TBD
3 M McKeever 120 120 120 120 120 240 360 234=1434
4 M Thompson 120 120 120 120 120 240 360 33=1233
5 N Smith 120 120 120 120 120 24=624
6 L Hines 120 120 102 = 342
1 A Gunder 120 120 120 120 120 240 360=1200
2 D Johannes 120 120 120 120 120 240 300=1140
3 D Parsons 120 109 DNF = 229
2 T Batiuk 120 168 130 =418
3 S Buddenbohm 120 164 131 =411
4 H Diez 120 180 88 =388
2 S Buddenbohm 120x6+30 =750
3 L Hines 120x5+44 =644
4 T Malkhasyan 120x5+42=642
5 G Keck 120x3+57=417
6 R Ray 120x2+72=311
7 S Malkhasyan 102 107 98=307
2 G Schneider O
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Roger Morrell
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