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SCAT Electronic News 9 February 2004 issue 850
Table of contents
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Ike Flash
The sleeping Free Flight Community! - Korsgaard ****== Featured Article
Watching Google
Eloy, AZ Schedule
Am Cup rule change = Parker
Trying to locate Bob DeShields
Repairing Carbon D Boxes.... - Lorbiecki
F1A models
SW Regionals Eloy 2004 web report! - Lidberg
NFFS Publications Update - NFFS
FW: Re: Cowley Lookalike/Where's Biggles? - SweepetteLee
Looking for Rocca
MatforsVT World Cup Contest - Wivardsson
Thanks
Ike Flash
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A - Businelli
B - Blazevich
C - Kerger
P - Secor
G - Still flying
H - ditto
J - Menano
E - about t0 start
Nos Wake - Laird beats White !
Golly - Buddenbohm
Cat - Sweeptte Lee
Days Inn Award Best Cumulative Time - Busnelli
Best Jnr Glider - Archer
ditto Rubber - Schroedtler
Ditto power - Secor
Awards from World's most innovative FF Kit supplier - Stan Buddenbohm
and BlackMagic
The sleeping Free Flight Community!
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Hello Roger,
Being a regular reader/reciever of the SEN I must confess that the level of
information has gone down significantly!! A couple of years ago it was
possible to get hints and tips and even theoretical knowledge from these
pages. These days one only gets to know contest results, necrologs (that´s
OK, of course) and what models from what firm to buy or swap. Roger, you are
not to blame for this situation, it is all the free flight community which
has gone into sleep, deep sleep!!
Why doesn´t anyone talk or ask questions on theoretical or practical issues
anymore?? Take a look on the Yahoo SAL Group or the RCGROUP where there are
plenty of activities about the relatively new RC chuckglider class, F3K.
Even free flighters take part here. And the F3K class is in my oppinion the
only RC worth flying and it is very close to free flight except for the RC.
I will try waking up people a little:
Why has all development in the propeller area stopped?
What are the names of Russian/Ukranian propeller developers equivalent to
Prandtl, Durand, Theordorsen and Larrabee??
Some people have used turbulators on the prop blades, why not any longer?
I think VP propellers are effective as a trimming assett, but are they more
effective?
What is the best rubber lube? John Barker in the UK Free Flight Forum 1997
tried to find out, but did not try the silicone oil from Woodhouse. I tried
this stuff but got everything polluted in silicone including the steering
wheel of my car. And how do you get this silicone stuff off everything else
except for the rubber?? Binding the knots was a problem too!
Seemingly all kinds of rubber tests have stopped or are they not any longer
public available??
Would geared rubber motors in F1B be a good idea, seemingly it would in the
smaller P-30 class.
When will we see the first discus launched Wakefield model (Thrown into the
air holding its wing tip and with 3-4 seconds DPR)?? It could reach 25-30
meters this way!
Let us see if this "alarm clock" will do any harm.
Thermals
Jorgen Korsgaard
Danish F1B and F3K pilot
[Jorgen
I can report that a number of people are working on F1B dicsuss launch
and have bought Blackmagic timer to help them with this - they
all consider thier projects to be 'secret'. On these lines
I was suprised to see a well known and highly respected member
of the British F1b community get RC HLG instruction from none
other that the errand Biggles. I can assure you that the
F1B'er was not handling the TX , just perfecting the launch ...
On a more serious note I think people are reluctant to publicly
dicuss such ideas because they fear loosing a competative advantage
and because they fear that the conservation section of the
FF community will get the innovation stopped.
It is possible that I have inadvertanly stiffle some interaction
by not being able to bring SEN out quite as often as in the past -
howver if we get what Jorgen is looking for we will make a
special effort !]
Watching Google
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We just an e-mail from Brokenspar asking how to find a serious
stop watch - which he immediately cancelled because he did
a Google search and found what he needed.
In a recent newspaper article I read that a research source used by many
advertizers to evaluate Brand effectiveness and penetration
place Google the #1 in the world, surpassing such classics
as Coke and McDonalds.
And it has now become a verb - so Brokenspar googled got his watch.
Eloy, AZ Schedule
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For those who might wonder what else happens at Eloy, here's the Phoenix
Model Airplane Club free flight contest schedule for 2004. Anyone is welcome to
fly at these small contests, and for America's Cup or National Cup points. We
don't seem to have enough RC OT flyers locally so those events aren't listed,
but you will often find Jim Kutkuhn, Bob Angus, George Tallent, John Patton or
myself flying RC OT on the same dates.
In the summer months, we test fly at what we call the Dawn Patrol: 5am to
maybe 10am at the latest. The Dawn Patrol schedule will be posted in a few mont
hs.
http://www.aalmps.com/pmac04.htm
That page doesn't seem to want to print all the way across on my browser, so
I'll try to cut some of the early contest columns in a few months.
Contact me with any questions you may have about these events - I'll try to
get them resolved with the event CDs.
AL
A. A. Lidberg model plan service
ff/rc kits and plans
www.aalmps.com
now with on-line ordering through PayPal
Am Cup rule change
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Author : james.a.parker
I've gotten only one person's feedback on the 2004 AmCup rule change
that now defines entrant as those that make 4 official flights in F1ABC
and 3 official flights in F1GHJ. The one person was Martyn Cowley who
pointed out that a sportsman could drop out of the competition if they
had not done well in the first 3 rounds (F1ABC example) to reduce the
bonus points to the eventual winner. We then exchanged several emails
about the intended and unintended purposes and how they fit within the
context of the AmCup mission to "foster the development of flyers and
models across North America ---. This coast-to-coast competition
encourages flyers to attend multiple contests each year in the United
States and Canada in order to win."
> This exchange yielded no better solution. It is slippery rat hole
trying to legislate human behavior. At this point the rule stands. The
first 2004 Am Cup contest, SWR in Eloy AZ, was impacted. In F1J, 6
flyers flew and by the 2003 rules 1 bonus point would be awarded. By the
2004 rules, because one of the flyers only flew 2 flights, only 5 count
as entrants and so no bonus were awarded. A bigger impact in F1G, 20
flew which would have been a full 5 bonus points. However, 6 flew 2 or
less flights so only 14 entrants and 3 bonus points.
> Important that everyone understands the rule change.
> Contest Directors: "dnf" for "did not fly" should be used rather than
"0" (zero's) in contest results. Is there such thing as a zero time
flight? Do two attempts constitute a zero time and therefore count as an
offical flight? A previous year AmCup issue resolved that yes, 2 engine
over-runs in the same round was scored as a zero. The SCAT discussed
this and agreed, mainly because the model had be flown in a sportsman
like manner.
That is the bottomline: Fly in a sportsman like manner.
Thermals, Jim Parker
Trying to locate Bob DeShields
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I'm trying to get in touch with Bob DeShields. I used to fly with him at
Taft back in the 70's. If you can contact him and have him email me I'd be
indebted. gv
Repairing Carbon D Boxes....
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I am interested in the various techniques that people use to repair a
damaged carbon D box. I commonly try to piece back together whatever
I can and then CA a patch made of .005" carbon over the top. Was wondering
what others do. Just looking forward to the upcoming season and hope
I don't have to do it!
Thanks- John Lorbiecki
F1A models
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Dear Modelers:
Please visit http://www.moscow-f1a.narod.ru for high quality F1A and
F1H models built by Moscow modelers:
Alexey Riazantsev - FAI European Champion 2002, F1A ,
Yuri Titov - 3-rd prize-winner of World Cup 2003, F1A,
Pankov Sergey - 2-nd prize-winner of FAI World Championship 2003, F1A.
We represent new assortment of models and parts F1A and F1H.
The models advertised on the above web page are actually built by these top
Moscow modelers themselves. The purpose of this page is to make the F1A
glider models of the Moscow school of modelers available to all
aeromodelers. These models commonly have good design, flight characteristics
and competitive qualities at reasonable prices.
I inform in addition, Alexey, Yuri and Sergey receive orders for
manufacturing F1A with electronic timers M&K of version 2002.
Thanks, Aleksandr Pugachenko
SW Regionals Eloy 2004 web report!
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Please take a look at the web report on the three contests comprising the
54th Annual genuine 2004 Southwest Regionals Model Airplane Championships at
Eloy, Arizona in January:
http://www.aalmps.com/04/2004swr.htm
AL
A. A. Lidberg model plan service
www.aalmps.com
NFFS Publications Update
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Effective immediately, the new Publications Services office for NFFS has
moved to Albany, Oregon. Bob Stalick is the new proprietor.
Please check the NFFS
website for updated information on publications for sale. Note that we have
lowered the prices on some items. Also, changes in US Postal regulations have
caused updated (and higher) shipping fees. We now accept major credit cards.
For further information contact Bob Stalick
FW: Re: Cowley Lookalike/Where's Biggles?
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[for SEN]
More 'Where's Biggles?' from sweepettelee
> Subject: Re: Cowley Lookalike
>
> Hi All,
> I expect you gents may be on to something!
> Thanks for bringing this to my attention, as I knew nothing of this
Andres Outkast
> person.
> It does seem possible, thru some vegetarian fluke, that Biggles ingested
some bad legumes[or 'Magic mushrooms'?], etc, which transformed his
pigmentation.
> Possibly it also explains his incognito-ness over the last months?
> All those one night gigs take there toll, I am told.
>
> See some of you soon.
> Ciao,
> Leeper
>
[Biggles was spotted at Lost Hills this latst weekend]
Looking for Rocca
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Could someone please provide contact information for Mario Rocca? I am
interested in his folding props for 1/2A/F1J.
Thanks
Don DeLoach
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MatforsVT World Cup Contest
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The Matfors Model Flying Club is proud to invite all free-flighters to their
World Cup event.
The contest is on March 27th, the weekend after the HOI in Norway, so you
could really enjoy a scandinavian winter holiday! Invitation and information
about the event is on our home-page http://matforsvt.hopto.org There you
will also find a map, info about accomodation and banquet, info on ice
condition, results and pictures from previous VT contests as well as
registration forms and invitation to the relaxed TentoTwo event on sunday
the 28th. Welcome to enjoy a real swedish winter contest !
Hope to see you there
Matfors MFK/Gunnar Wivardsson
Thanks
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Thanks to those who made donation to SEN at the Isaacson Winter Classic.
.................
Roger Morrell
