SCAT Electronic News 16 February 2001 issue 545 
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SCAT Electronic News 16 February 2001 issue 545
Table of Contents
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2001 Isaacson Winter Classic - Furutani
Bill's Graphs - Andresen
Bad images - Pudney
Closed Loop Sensors FAI Wording - Bradley
Additional info F1C for sale - Simpson
Fwd: [pmac] SW Regionals results - more pics - Andresen and Lidberg
2001 Isaacson Winter Classic
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2001 Isaacson Winter Classic
Thanks to all that braved the rain, wind and cold! On Saturday we were able
to get in the minimum five rounds.
No ill weather was going to stop the burger grill. Brian Van Nest jumped in
with burger flipper flying and did a superb job manning the grill. Thank
you, Brian!
On Sunday, a 13 man fly-off in F1b was flown first, Pim Ruyter did almost 7
1/2 minutes in a good breeze. Timing was very difficult and performance was
very high resulting in many OOS. In F1A, of the 6 in the fly-off, 4 went
over 5 mins. with Mike McKeever topped out at 339 secs.
For what is supposed to be a "fun" contest, there was some heavy
competition! (but then this is what makes it fun!)
As we were giving out the morning awards, the migration of tumbleweeds
began(wind!) so the rest of the contest was cancelled (you can only take so
much "fun"). The next day a record snowstorm shut down Interstate 5 at
Gorman, trapping hundreds of motorists in the snow. Hope you weren't one
one of them!
Thanks again for supporting the Isaacson Winter Classic!
Norm Furutani
F1A Results
Place	Name		Rnd1	Rnd2	Rnd3	Rnd4	Rnd5	Flyoff	Total
1   Mike McKeever	210	180	180	180	180	339	1269
2   Victor Stamov	210	180	180	180	180	330	1260
3   Javier Abad	 	210	180	180	180	180	324	1254
4   Kimo Kulmakko	210	180	180	180	180	310	1240
5   Chuck Markos	210	180	180	180	180	252	1182
6   Tom Coussens	210	180	180	180	180	231	1161
7   Peter Brocks	210	180	180	167	180		917
8   Brian Van Nest	210	180	180	180	147		897
9   Aberlenc		210	146	180	180	180 896
10   Peter Allnutt	210	180	180	131	180		881
11   Cenny Breeman	210	162	180	132	180		864
12   Ben Coussens	199	180	107	180	180		846
13   Lee Hines		210	180	92	180	180 842
14   Vasily Beschasny	210	180	180	0 570
15   Don Zink		210	180	180	0 570
16   Martyn Cowley	210	180	148	0			538
17   Norm Smith	198	180	129	0			507
18   Ron Hernandez	210	180	68	0			458
19   Henning Nyhegn	210	0	0	0			210
20   Craig Cusick	0	0	0	0			0
F1B Results
1   Pim Ruyter	240	180	180	180	180	441	1401
2   Pavel Bogach	227	180	180	180	180	367	1314
3   Don Blackham	240	180	180	180	180	336	1296
4   Bob Piserchio	240	180	180	180	180	310	1270
5   Roger Morrell	240	180	180	180	180	281	1241
6   Bob Tymchek		240	180	180	180	180	275	1235
7   Richard Blackham	240	180	180	180	180	268 1228
8   Walt Ghio		240	180	180	180	180	267 1227
9   Barberis		240	180	180	180	180	237 1197
10   Peter Merkestyn	240	180	180	180	180	201	1161
11   William Booth	240	180	180	180	180	182	1142
12   Ladi Horak		240	180	180	180	180	165 1125
13   Dick Myers	240	180	180	180	180	11	971
14   John Clapp	240	180	180	180	157		937
15   Mike Mulligan	240	180	180	180	0	780
16   Eugueni Gorban	240	180	180	180	0	780
17   Jerry McGlashan	240	180	180	180	0	780
18   Andrey Burdov	240	180	180	164	0	764
19   George Schroedter	240	180	122	180	0
   722
20   Doug Rowsell	240	180	114	180	0	714
21   George Batiuk	240	180	180	55	0	655
22   Jim Lueken	240	180	180	0	0		600
23   John Pratt	240	180	180	0	0		600
24   Oleg Kulakovsky	240	180	180	0	0	600
25   Alex Andriukov	240	180	180	0	0	600
26   Rich Rohrke	197	180	180	0	0	557
27   Joe Friebis	134	180	92	95	0	501
F1C Results
1   Ken Happersett	255					255
2   Eugeny Verbitsky	0 0
F1G
1 	Jack Emery	120	120				240 
Gollywock
1 	Bob White		180	150 330
no other scores were posted
Bill's Graphs
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Roger,
Interesting issue.  The maxout graph by Bill Bogart points to a problem for 
contest organizers, namely getting enough timers for the flyoffs.  This is 
particularly true in F1C as noone likes to time engine runs, especially when 
so many flites are crowded in the 10min window.
When a team flies at a pole in the 3min rounds they require 2 timers.
If they all make the flyoffs, with 3 timers/sportsman, that's 9 timers.  
Something to contemplate when Brian & Janna request the honor of one's 
prescence at the WC's in Oct.
H
Bad images
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Would love to see these attachments, but Paint Shop Pro (which I use to 
view image files) won't open three of the .gif files, and tells me that 
barometeralt.jpg is "an invalid jpg jfif file".
[we will look at re-sending these after we get back from the MaxMen]
 
Closed Loop Sensors FAI Wording
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In the 2001 FAI rules, section 4C par. 1.3.1.  The wording states, "Closed 
loop control system with active sensors and operating aerodynamic flight 
control are not allowed, except for steering in F1E."  
The thing to consider is that this is a 3 part rule and all parts must be 
present for it to apply, (my interruption).
       1. It must be a closed loop system.
       2. It must have active sensors, I assume this would also apply to only 
having 1                   sensor.
       3. I must operate aerodynamic flight controls.
If we assume the case of using an altitude sensor and flight time from the 
electronic timer to DT the model we only have 2 of the 3 requirements.  There 
is no question we have active sensors, altitude and time.  There is no 
question that we are operating an aerodynamic device, DT'ing the stab.  What 
is not use is a closed loop system.  There is no feedback to un-DT the model 
if it decides that it is coming down faster that predicted.  Hence, (in my 
opinion) using an altitude sensor along with a time input from the electronic 
timer to DT the model is legal. 
Jim Bradley
Additional info F1C for sale
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Roger,
    Anyone wanting to contact me regarding the sale of the F1C models 
can reach me at:  
        Roger Simpson
        9159 Hubbard Ct.
        Elk Grove, CA 95624          
        Telephone   1 (916) 686-1301   NOTE: NEW NUMBER
 
Fwd: [pmac] SW Regionals results - more pics
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Roger,
Here is excellent report by Al Lidberg on SW Regionals with pix & results.  
This is for complete contest with ROW, Delta Dart etc.
Pix download quickly & can be readily enlarged, but then would we expect 
less from tireless Al?
H
[see the next attachment supplement]
...............
Roger Morrell - off to MaxMen