SEN-381 March 6 2000
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News and Reports 2000 - First half
SCAT Electronic news 6 March 2000
Table of Contents
A question and a recollection - Fantham
Annexes to the Agenda - Iele
Fly with the visitors .. - Batiuk
Motor cycles and liability exposure - Brokenspar
e-mail not recognized for the chap with may rubber - Myers
2000 AMERICA'S CUP FAI FREE FLIGHT CONTEST SCHEDULE - Coussens & Parker
May 99 -Tan 2
Cleveland Model - Mik
Floating your Polyspan - Mik
A question and a recollection
There are questions on the Compuserve Modelnet about the US FF Champs.
Was it held at Lost Hills in November 1999?
Is the Daryl Perkins who won F1C the famous F3B flyer?
[ Editorial comment -The US FF Champs was/is indeed held at Lost Hills
in November, on the
Armistice Day weekend. The contest has had a lower level of participation
in the last few years - particularily in the FAI events. There
is a plan, including re-instating it as an America's Cup event
that hopefully will re-juvenate it. The reason for this is too
complicated to explain - especially as you limeys never
understand US politics anyway ! .. but it may be to do with the fact
that most FFers remember the Armistice being signed so can relate
to this holiday.
No - this is the 'other' Daryl Perkins.. dare I say the real one]
I had the fluffies on the first model I covered with the Salzer material
(Hi Klaus). I tried the sand lightly and re-dope treatment (not
recommended - see the earlier Klaus message). I had made the mistake of
covering 'shiny side in' - well we do that with Japenese Tissue don't we?
Anyway, it was just before the 1993 Champs and I ran out of time at home.
I ended up doping the wing in Motel 6 at Lost Hills. It took coats 5 and 6
of 50/50 to finally kill the fluff! I needed nitrate dope but the
Bakersfield shop had only butyrate (sp?). The guy there kindly phoned
around for me and I ended up using 'Spartan' glider dope from the leavings
in a 40 gallon drum he found me at Shafter airport! He had ordered nitrate
dope - knowing that the 'limeys' were going to be in town - but it didn't
arrive. Martyn Cowley ended up with the 40 gallon drum - I couldn't get it
in the overhead on the 747.............
[Fluffies, fuzz and Spartan dope or not - Mike did win the event !]
Annexes to the Agenda
Being myself Argentina's delegate to March's FAI meeting I've just received
There are two annexes for free flight : one for CIAM's proposal on Sport
F1A, B and C.
Other for "General principles and reasons for changing Free Flight
categories" by Mario Rocca.
Nothing about RC/DT, at least in the annexes.
I'll try to summarize CIAM's proposal:
Characteristics of Gliders F1A-Sport
The characteristics defined in section 4c 3.1.2apply. In addition F1A Sport
models must have the following characteristics:
Max. wing span.....2.1 m.
The only aerodinamic controls allowed to be moved during flight are the
fin/rudder and a control to cause dethermalised descent. Circle towing is
Characteristics of Gliders F1B-Sport
The characteristics defined in section 4c 3.2.2 apply. In addition F1B Sport
models must have the following characteristics:
Max. wing span.....1.4 m.
The only controls allowed to be moved during flight is a control to cause
dethermalised descent plus one other aerodynamic
control which is allowed a single change of position.
The propeller must start at the time of launch (no delay allowed).
Characteristics of Gliders F1B-Sport
The characteristics defined in section 4c 3.3 apply. except that radio
control function are not allowed in F1C Sport.
In addition F1C Sport must have the following characteristics:
Max. wing span.....2m.
The only controls to be moved during flight are:
the fin/rudder, the tailplane moving directly from climb to glide setting
("bunt" not allowed), motor stop, and a control to cause dethermalised
Requested effective date: 2001
Regarding the Italian proposal, they submit again -for voting- the original
one, unchanged in it's spirit.
Only minor changes (now auto rudder is O.K) , fuel tube for diesel is 15 cm
of 2 x 4, 12 cm 2 x 4 for F1J.Also limit to 300 grs min. weight for F1C and
200 for F1J. Being fixed the energy amount, the trend towards light models
with small engines, and consequently long engines run, could give visibility
Also says that they don't believe in the idea of adding a parallel Sport
Class to the existing FAI classes.
(Neither do I. . Despite not being absolutely convinced with the Italian
proposal, I find it much consistent than the CIAM's Sport Classes which I
feel will have very little support in modellers community -DI-).
Fly with the visitors ..
In reply to Ken Kowal's offer to fly with non US fliers in order to lend the
use of his chase bike, I would like to make the following comment. I am the
one who assigns pole positions for this competition, and I can assure you
that it is not an easy job, especially with 156 entries in A, B & C this
year. Even though I've begged and pleaded for flyers to get their entry
forms to me early, a good 30 to 40% of them come to me in the week before
the meet. And of course there are always the ones that just have to fly
this guy or that guy, and their life will be ruinned if they don't get their
way. It's a tough job, pleasing everyone, but your comment is well taken,
as I have already decided to split all of the poles with US and non-US
fliers, to try to give a hand with chasing, whenever possible. This means
that the final pole positions will not be made until we get to site on
Thursday, which is more work for us, but may be fairer in the end. GB
Motor cycles and liability exposure
The insurance carrier for my excess liability ( Umbrella )
policy was very interested
in my motorcycles. In fact they provided exclusions to
make the premiums affordable.
When you loan your bike to that friendly guy from Toledo, Ohio or from
Toledo, Spain, and he croaks
in a spill two miles down wind at Lost Hills, his estate will not be
Don't take my word for it. Talk to your insurance carrier
Maybe some informed comments from SCAT readers, someone in the business
( or in Law ), can provide
definitive information to give this subject proper emphasis.
[ At the 93 World Champs we did have that concern when helping
visiting teams. We advised US modellers not to lend the bike but
to rather chase on behalf of the visitors.]
e-mail not recognized for the chap with may rubber
The e-mail came back not recognized for the person who wishes to sell 5 =
pounds of May'99 Tan II. Do you know who it may be?
Thanks, Dick Myers
[ In a word no]
2000 AMERICA'S CUP FAI FREE FLIGHT CONTEST SCHEDULE
DATE CONTEST MINI- Events
1 15 - 16 JAN SOUTHWEST REGIONALS - ELOY, AZ YES
A.A. LIDBERG 4502 S. HARDY TEMPE, AZ 85282
2 18 - 20 FEB MAX MEN 14 ROUND FAI INTL - LOST HILLS, CA YES
GEORGE BATIUK 1759 SOUTHWOOD DR. SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA 91401
3 18 - 19 MAR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AERO TEAM ANNUAL YES
TOM COUSSENS 25442 VIA DONA CHRISTA VALENCIA, CA 91355
5 8 - 9 APR EASTERN FREE FLIGHT CHAMPS - INGLESIDE, MD YES
TOM KERR 7733 AIRY HILL RD CHESTERTOWN, MD 21620
4 29 - 30 APR SPRING CUP - SEGUIN, TX YES
FAUST PARKER 103 BLUE WILLOW DR HOUSTON, TX 77042
6 6 - 7 MAY NORCAL FF CHAMPS - WAEGELL FIELD - SACRAMENTO, C YES
BILL VANDERBEEK 13300 SIMON LANE LOS ALTOS HILLS, CA 94022
7 TBD FFAMS ANNUAL ONLY
JOE MEKINA 2404 BANYON DR DAYTON, OH 45431
8 27 - 28 MAY BIG AL'S SHOOT-OUT - LOST HILLS, CA YES
DOUG GALBREATH 3408 TOPSAIL PL DAVIS, CA 95616
9 17 - 18 JUN FIESTA OF FIVE FLAGS/ TOM MC LAUGHLAN SOUTHEASTE YES
BOB JUNK 984 WILLIAMSDITCH RD CANTONMENT, FL 32533
10 TBD INTERCITY FAI - MUNCIE , IN YES
BOB SIFLEET RD #3 BOX 56 GLEN ROCK, PA 17327
11 1 - 2 JULY MAGNIFICENT MOUNTAIN MEN 14 ROUND FAI - DENVER, NO
BILL GIBBONS 10950 W. UNION HILLS #2021 SUN CITY, AZ 85373
12 TBD TEXAS CLOUD CLIMBERS - WAXAHACHIE, TX YES
HENRY SPENCE 1111 COUNTRY CLUB CT MANSFIELD, TX 76063
13 TBD US OUTDOOR CHAMPS/NATS - MUNCIE, IN YES
14 TBD NORTHWEST FREE FLIGHT CHAMPS - TANGENT, OR ONLY
LELAND SCHROEDER 30099 CANYON VIEW DR LEBANON, OR 97355
15 18 -20 AUG EMPIRE STATE FF CHAMPS - GENESEO, NY YES
ART ELLIS 84 DENISON DRIVE GUILFORD, CT 06437
16 26 - 27 AUG FAI INVITATIONAL - CHICAGO AERONUTS - MUNCIE, IN YES
CHUCK MARKOS 655 CARLISLE AV DEERFIELD, IL 60015
17 TBD CIA HOOSIER CUP - MUNCIE, IN YES
MARK WOOD 5923 HOPI RD DANVILLE, IN 46122
18 2 - 4 SEP AUTUMN CUP - CFB BORDEN, ONTARIO, CANADA NO
19 2 - 3 SEP WESTERN FAI CHALLENGE - HARTS LAKE - FT LEWIS, W YES
MIKE ROBERTS 2435 53RD SW SEATTLE, WA 98116
20 TBD DYNASTY CUP - DENVER, CO YES
KEN PHAIR 3022 S. YARNELL CT DENVER, CO 80231
21 7 - 8 OCT CALIFORNIA FAI - LOST HILLS, CA YES
JUAN LIVOTTO 13212 LAKE ST LOS ANGELES, CA
22 21 - 22 OCT SIERRA CUP - SACRAMENTO, CA YES
KEN OLIVER 2213 EL CEJO CIRCLE RANCHO CORDOVA, CA 95670
23 28 - 29 OCT AUTUMN CUP - SEGUIN, TX YES
REID SIMPSON 9207 HAZELHURST AUSTIN, TX 78729
24 4 - 5 NOV SOUTHWEST FAI CHALLENGE - BOULDER CITY, NV YES
JON ZEISLOFT 4620 VICTORIA BEACH WAY LAS VEGAS, NV 89130
25 11 - 12 NOV US FREE FLIGHT CHAMPS - LOST HILLS, CA YES
26 18 - 19 NOV PATTERSON FAI CHALLENGE - LOST HILLS, CA YES
DON LEATH 38104 HIGH COUNTRY RD PALMDALE, CA 93551-4415
27 ? NOV SKYSCRAPERS ANNUAL - MARYLAND YES
ARAM SCHLOSBERG 79-02 212th STREET BAYSIDE, NY 11364
28 29 - 31 DEC KING ORANGE INTL - PALM BAY, FLA YES
JIM BRADLEY 1337 PINE SAP CT ORLANDO, FL 32825
WARNING!! DO NOT TRAVEL LONG DISTANCES TO A CONTEST WITHOUT CALLING THE CD TO CONFIRM DATES AND DETAILS!!
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NORTH HILLS, CA 91343 USA UPDATED: 3/5/00
May '99 Tan 2
If the author of this posting is on the list and would still like to sell
this rubber I am interested. I tried e-mailing the below author address and
the message bounced.
If there are any other that have some May 99 or July 99 Tan II they would
like to sell I am also interested. From what I understand, outdoor fliers
are finding this rubber to be overly fragile.
[For whatever it worth that rubber is just fine !]
Cleveland Model & Supply
This month's Model Aviation magazine shows Cleveland Model & Supply Co at PO
Box 55962AA, Indianapolis, IN 46205-0962, Phone (317) 257-7878, FAX
(317)247-7877. After all these years...a use for MA magazine!!!
Float your Polyspan
Regarding the fuzzy polyspan problem Mr Salzer experienced there has been
consistent success in solving this type of problem using the meniscus method
which boils down to flooding the surface with thin dope through tissue paper
(even toilet tissue has been used effectively) simply because the surface
of the polyspan, or whatever, is relatively undisturbed since the tissue is,
in effect, floating on a layer of dope. I have used this method for years on
(remember?) silk as well as jap tissue. Remember to test the consistency of
the dope and it helps to have someone hold the component to be doped.
Lastly, curved surfaces are not that big a deal.
We mailed out a rules survey separately and already have a number of
replies from .. Sweden, Norway, Finland, the Netherlands, UK, Canada, Hungary
Australia, New Zealand and the USA. ... if you haven'y replied get yours