SEN issue 1148 - 1 Nov 2007

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Table of Contents - SEN 1148

  1. Fred's Mail
  2. FAI NOS Gas Event
  3. Len Surtees - Business opportunity
  4. Looking for Goblin Able
  5. I[k/c]arus Update
  6. California Inivtational aka Livotto results
  7. Ikarus scoop and warning to Woodhouse
  8. New Power Event aka Walt Power
  9. World Wide Balsa Shortage
  10. Derek Mc Gukin's Mylar how to

[we did leave out a Chuck Markos piece on the UK Team selection until next time - no reflection on the illustrious Chuck but we got wrapped around the axle formatting it ]

Fred's Mail


Hi Roger,
The email address for Fred Dujardin doesn't work.
BA


The flyer said it was

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FAI NOS GAS Event

More opinions and ramblings by Dave Edmonson

October 26, 2007

 

It was with interest that I received a phone call from Ron McBurnett and later saw in SEN that there is a new event scheduled for 2008.

 

FAI NOS GAS

 

This is an event that I am extremely interested in. But what is the reasoning behind such an event?

 

Is it because F1C gas is now a dead event because it has reached such a level of sophistication that it is too expensive to attract any new blood? From what I am told, F1C requires a 2 mile x 2 mile field minimum to have a major competition held. And this to draw a dwindling 20 competitors from around the USA  Muncie is not even considered to be a viable field to hold a major F1C competition at!

 

Is it because there is a yearning to fly older designs that one could actually build, and to see these designs flying again?

 

Which events are we going to drop if this is seen as a more interesting event? Can we combine some of the NOS gas events so that we can squeeze a FAI Power Nos Gas Event into the numerous list of events?

 

Let’s see, we would have if this is added:

  1. ¼ A Nos Gas
  2. ½ A Early Nos Gas
  3. A Nos Gas
  4. FAI Nos Gas (with myriads of variations and rules)
  5. B Nos Gas
  6. C Nos Gas

 (I include 7-9 also because they are also NOS events)

  1. 020 Payload
  2. ½ A Payload
  3. 020 Clipper Cargo
(1/2A Clipper Cargo is feeling neglected here and also the Jetex 50 and 100 Payload events)

 

Will the event only be held in California? Do I need an airline ticket to get to the 2 contests a year?

 

How much interest is there in Minnesota, just me!

 

How much interest in other parts of the country??

 

The “Hustler” was just approved last year as a valid NOS gas design for NFFS events. I worked hard in getting that design approved. That was my second FAI power model and it was very successful for me back then. Sid Jepson almost made the USA power team back in that period with that model. Larry Kruse and Mike Fedor are now flying that design and enjoying it. Brad Banes from New York built a ¼ NOS version of it and won the 2006 NATS with it.

 

So is this another event variation to add to the list? Can we soon have NOS Wakefield and NOS Towline, and NOS Coupe? Oh that’s right, some of those events do exist somewhere.

 

I just read in SEN about the New York contest with 20 events and one to three entrants per event. This is quite typical, around the country this past year. Our Minneapolis Model Aero Club scheduled 6 one day contests with 9-10 events at each this past year, with only 6 being flown, and only 4 having more than one contestant.

 

I will have to get my workshop cleaned up, and start building. This is a new event that I am interested in. 

 

(But there are so many events that I need to start building for, which ones do I begin first? I have not even started building my SAM fleet and that complete full size Sailplane kit is still sitting on the shelf waiting for the Orwick 64 or Super Cyc sitting in my drawer. I purchased that Sailplane kit in 1984 when they were still being sold in the full kit version.)
Dave Edmonson
 

Len Surtees - business opportunity

Posted on Yahoo FFML by: "Jim Moseley" This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  applehoney320

< Len Surtees, well known as a top HLG flyer and manufacturer of quality 'Sting' HLG, tip-launch and catapult glider kits, sent this message to my son who asked me to copy same to a wider audience ....
Herewith ....
Hi Kevin
Have a favour to ask, i now wish to sell my kit manufacturing business due to 2 reasons, in 1 weeks time im driving to western Australia to work for the mining industry for several months ( good money) and when i return back home i will start my boat plan business full time.
This means that i can no longer keep selling kits.
Can you please let people know that my business is for sale and that im asking for USD $2,000.
For that they get all my stock, templates, jigs and plans/associated paperwork plus shipping costs to the new owner. I will sign a statement that i will not manufacture glider kits.
This is a good price for some one that likes manufacturing and would be ideal for someone that is semi retired or someone that has the energy to promot and expand the sale outlets.
Best Regards
Len

If anyone is interested, please contact Len direct on lensurtees@hotmail. com


Looking for Goblin Able

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Goblin Able page 132 Frank Ziac Year Book 59/61

I fancy building this design for Classic/BMFA Rubber but the publication date of 1961 is not specific enough to meet the BMFA rules. (Publications up to Jan61 are eligible)

Does anybody out there know of another publication with this design or similar by Norman Elliott that was published on or before Jan 61.

I will of course reimburse any postal or copying expenses.


Regards Phil Ball


 

I[K/c]arus Update
From: Mike Woodhouse


Ross

You have waxed lyrical on poor old Icarus which leads us into a further
debate based on the concepts that:

A   Free flighters do it in thermals
B   Free flighters keep it up longer

Having achieved both, on an occasional basis, one makes it to the Fly off or
FO. The FO could stand for other expressions but none of the ladies would
surely use that? It is my conjecture is that after a long day of keeping it
up the performance in the FO can be limp and the performance flaccid. On
that basis the ladies will simply laugh as one disappears into the sunset
with ones tail between ones legs metaphorically speaking.

Michael J Woodhouse, Norwich, UK.
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California Invitational - Generally known as the Livotto

Hello Roger
Sorry for the delay on the results, but I was waiting for the fly-off time of G & H events,
still did not get Davis time but he won
Any how here they are.
Thanks
Regards
Juan



   F1A

1  McKEEVER, M.      210  180  180  180  180  180  180       324      1614
2  TETRICK, L.       210  180  180  180  180  180  180       310      1600
3  DIEZ, H.          210  180  180  180  180  180  180       264      1554
4  FARMER, J.        210  180  180  180  180  180  180       217      1507
5  JONES, K.         210  180  180  180  180  180  180      DNF       1290
6  NYHEGN, H.        210  180  180  180  180  178  180                1288
7  PARKER, J.        210  180  180  180  180  180  176                1286
8  ABAD, J.          210  180  180  180  180  180  173                1283
9  LIMBERGER, R.     210  180  180  180  180  154  180                1264
10 VAN NEST, B.      210  180  180  180  110  180  180                1220
11 BBAUER, K.        210  180  180  180  180   97  180                1207
12 BEZCHASNY, V.     210  180  180  180  180   84  180                1194
12 PARKER, D.        210  180  108  180  180  156  180                1194
14 STAMOV, V.        210  174   81  180  180  180  180                1185
15 THOMPSOM, M.      210  180  180  180  180   65  180                1175
16 BRUN, P.          210  180  180   61  180  180  180                1171
17 BROCKS, P.        210  180  145  180  180  180   90                1165
18 HINES, L.         210  180  180  180  180  180   54                1164
19 BARRON, A.        210  180  180  180  133  180   53                1116
20 KULMAKKO, K.      144  132  180  180   87  180  180                1083
21 SMITH, N.         210  180  180  180  180   31   83                1044
22 WHITNEY, M.       151   60  180  180  180  180   52                 983
23 ALLNUTT, P.       210  180  180  180  180                           930
24 FARMER, J.        210  180  180  180   74   86                      910
25 PROTHEROE, D.     199  158  180  180  180                           897
26 COOPER, J.        210  180   92  180  180    0                      842
27 COUSSENS, B.      210  163  180                                     553


   F1B

1  CROWLEY, P.       240  180  180  180  180  180  180       316      1636
2  SAKS, D.          240  180  180  180  180  180  180       301      1621
3  MULLIGAN, M.      240  180  180  180  180  180  180       299      1619
4  WOOD, R.          240  180  180  180  180  180  180       258      1578
5  MORRELL, R.       240  180  180  180  180  180  178                1318
6  SCHROEDTER, M.    240  180  180  180  180  180  166                1306
7  RUYTER, P.        240  180  180  162  180  180  180                1302
8  VANLANDINGHAM     240  180  180  180  180  151  180                1291
9  BLAKE, J.         208  180  180  180  180  180  180                1288
10 ANDRIUKOV, A.     240  180  180  145  180  180  180                1285
11 BATIUK, G.        240  180  180  144  180  180  180                1284
12 DAVIS, M.         240  180  130  180  180  180  180                1270
13 GHIO, W.          240  180  180  180  180  180  102                1242
14 FELIX, R.         240  180  180  180  106  180  175                1241
15 PISERCHIO, B.     240  138  180  180  180  180                     1098
16 JONES, C.         226  117  142  180  180  155                     1000
17 SCHROEDTER, G.    232  176  180  180  100                           868
18 ROHRKE, R.        240  180  178  180                                778
19 SCHROEDTER, A.    240  135  180   75                                630
20 RAYMOND, J.         0                                                 0


   F1C

1  CARROLL, E.       240  180  180  180  180  180  180       573      1893
2  SIMPSON, R.       240  180  180  180  180  180  180       509      1829
3  VERBITSKY, E.     240  180  180  180  180  180  180       489      1809
4  MENANO, G.        240  180  180  180  180  180  180       303      1623
5  CHESSON, D.       240  180  180  180  180  180  180       289      1609
6  BABENKO, A.       240  180  180  180  180  156  180                1296
7  HAPPERSETT, K.    240  180  180  180  180  180  120                1260
8  McBURNET, R.      240  180  180  180  120  180  180                1260
9  GEWAIN, M.        240  180  180  180  180  118  180                1258
10 JOYCE, D.         240  180  180  180  138  180  155                1253
11 JOHANNES, D.      240  161  180  180  180  180    7                1128
12 ELLINGHTON, E.    240  177  180  145  180                           922
13 GHIO, W.         DNF   180  151  180  146  180                      837
14 SCHWARTS, M.      206                                               206


   F1H

1  VAN NEST, B.      180  120  120  120  120  215                 875
2  PARKER, J.        180  120  120  120  120  201                 861
3  McKEEVR, M.       180  120  120  120  120   77                 737
4  STAMOV, V.        180  120  109  120  120                      649
5  THOMPSON, M.      180  120  109  116  120                      645
6  SMITH, N.         158  120  120  120  120                      638
7  COOPER, J.        160   89  120  120  120                      609
8  MALKHASYAN, T.    107  103  120  120   80                      530
9  BARRON, A.        137  120  120  120                           497
10 SZURA, M.         180   41 DNF   120                           341
11 HINES, L.         134 DNF  DNF   120   54                      308
12 BEZCHASNY, V.     164                                          164

   F1G

1  DAVIS, M.         180  120  120  120  120???                   660
2  VANLANDINGHAM     180  120  120  120  120  227                 887
3  CROWLEY, P.       176  120  120  120  120                      656
4  SCHROEDTER, G.    154  120  120  120  120                      634
5  BATIUK, G.        180  120  120  120   90                      630
6  BROCKS, P.        180  120   84  120  120                      624
7  TYMCHEK, B.       180  120  120   81  120                      621
8  MALKHASYAN, S.    180  120  120  120   75                      615
9  BELFIELD, M.      131  120  120  120  120                      611
10 ROHRKE, R.        180  120   71  120   91                      582
11 CARROLL, E.       180  120   89  120   55                      564
12 VAN NEST, K.      137  120   90  120   60                      527
13 KENDY, L.         144   58   58                                260
14 WOOD, R.           18                                           18


   F1J

1  MENANO, G.        180  120  120  120  120  885                1545
2  JOHANNES, D,      180  120  120  120  120  604                1264


The FAA and TSA on Ikarus- words for Woodhouse
Mike,

The naked Icarus issue brings up some questions regarding the TSA's final
report regarding his crash. Clearly the TSA was working with limited
evidence (dead body, wax, and feathers) and Icarus was not carrying a black
box. Daedelus (spelling) had lost sight of his boy long before the
incident, and was of little help. Alchemists and philosophers of the
time has collected little data on conditions at altitudes above tree level.

As we know today, higher altitudes are progressively colder (not hotter
as was believed at the time), and the air above a certain altitude is too
thin to breath. I theorize that Icarus became cold rather than hot and that
the wax gave way not because it melted but because it lost its pliability
andbecame brittle. Whether he was also suffering altitude sickness, can be
debated. The fact that the TSA noted "mellted wax at the crash site" in
itsreport, is probably evidence of the heat of accelleration (due to
gravity) and high temperatures at sea level on the day of the incident.

This 'cold air theory' also supports the coroners findings of "the body
showing evidence of skin damage not unlike that brought on by frost",
and "the unnusual shrinkage of a certain part of the deceased's anatomy".
The lead investigator from the TSA discounted the coroners findings, stating
that "Icarus clearly set out on this foolish endeavor to compensate for
undesireable physical malladies in an unwise attempt impress the
ladies".

Though I believe the TSA drew the wrong conclusion regarding the death
of poor Icarus, there may be some truth to the assertion that Icarus was
bent on impressing the fairer sex. Early reports on his life recount
attempts to "modify chariots to ride low to the earth for with to drive through
the country side when the moon be high crooning loudly" and "to challenge
other youth to contests of speed on such conveyances". He was also twi
I think that free flighters more than any others in the field of aviation
have learned the lessons of Icarus - don't show off with fancy stunts
(just climb, circle, and DT), keep your feet on the ground, and always keep
your clothes on at the field- the latter being the most critical in my
opinion.

Ross
 

 

"New" Power Event aka Walt Power

Ross Jahnke


Walt,

The "new" power event deserves a more descriptive monicker than "new
power event." Given that the event spans a time period that begins with
the birth of rock and roll and ends with the Carter administration may I
suggest "Flower Power." The name certainly embodies the hear and soul of
this era, when then young modelers of your era, appeared in the NFFS
Digest with long hair, side burns, and big mustaches (and often
shirtless too).

As the generation between you and I hits retirement I assume there will
be a demand for a new event encompassing the 1980's and early 90's
between the bunt and carbon construction. May I suggest "Reaganautics"
as the name for this class.

My generation will not need a new name for our carbon era events, we
will simply add ".com" to the end of each event title.

Ross
 




Is it time for the World Wide Shortage of Balsa (sm) again?

Posted by: "timgoldstein" This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  on Yahho FF mailing group

At Peck Polymers we have true contest balsa available. 3x36" sheets.
We weigh every sheet and mark the density based on the nominal
thickness. You can buy it in 1 lbs grouping. So if you buy 5# Peck
Contest balsa it will calculate out to 5.0 - 5.9#. Availability
varies with supply. Right now we have a great seletion of thicker
sheets down to V E R Y light weights. Thinner sheets already sold
most of the lightest, but still have some very nice FF weight wood
there too.

Visit http://www.peck- polymers. com/store/ Category. asp?
Category=BuildingMa terials%3ABalsa% 2CPeckContest
Or http://tinyurl. com/2kaspk to go direct to this department in our
online store.

Regarding the rumor of a shortage, it does have some basis but mostly
in regard to light balsa. The companies that we as modelers buy balsa
from purchase their raw material from other companies that actually
grow/harvest/ kiln dry the wood. The top supplier at least to the USA
has their own plantations. They also have spent considerable
resources in selecting for lighter density trees as well as
maintaining growing conditions that foster lighter density. Their
primary customer base is definitely not the hobby industry, but the
composites industry where they sell the balsa as end grain core
material. It is used in many applications and with the growth of
advanced composite construction in many industries, the use is also
growing. The upshot is this balsa company was aquired by a large
European composites conglomerate. One of the first things they did
was to notify all the hobby industry customers that they would no
longer be supplying to them. So now all the US balsa companies that
we as modelers buy from are having to use less desirable suppliers
that do not have the fancy plantations and their balsa tends to run
much heavier. Bottom line is contest balsa is now difficult to find.

Tim
A2Z Corp
Peck Polymers division
www.Peck-Polymers. com/store




Derek McGuckin's Mylar Article



Derek McGuckin" This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  wrote an article

that was published on the Yahoo ff list . Here is the reference to it online at Yahoo.



 http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/freeflight ml/files/ Mylar%20Covering %20Tutorial% 20Revised% 20%232.pdf





............
Roger Morrell