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SCAT Electronic News 5 Feb 2006 issue 994
Table of Contents
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SWR 2006 Results -
SCAT Electronic News - Warren
FAI Team Finals - McKeever
Re: My First Encounter with Bob White - Grogan et al
Southwest Regionals web report - Lidberg
F1E Reminder
KeilKraft 'Senator' Postal Competition 2006/7 - Moseley
Updated F1G - 2006 Southwest Regionals Results
Honda Fat Cat TR200 motorcycle - Babenko
Towline stretch - Farmer
Re: SWR 2006 [SAMTalk]
SWR 2006 - Woodhouse
Fw: Request for Info about Bob White - Grogan et al
LiPo Lore
SCAT annual 2006
SWR 2006 Results
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Total Place
Mike McKeever 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 281 1,5 1
Brian Van Nest 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 275 1,5 2
Risto Puhakka 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 257 1,5 3
Jim Parker 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 106 1,3 4
Kyle Jones Jr 170 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,2 5
Lee Hines 180 180 180 180 180 180 151 1,2 6
Dean Clark 180 180 180 180 180 144 180 1,2 7
Sam Farmer Jr 152 180 169 180 180 180 180 1,2 8
Don Zink 180 180 180 180 180 180 137 1,2 9
Chuck Markos 166 169 180 180 180 180 145 1,2 10
David Oldfield 180 180 180 180 108 180 180 1,1 11
Ryan Archer Jr 180 180 180 180 180 180 107 1,1 12
Jim Farmer 180 180 180 90 180 180 180 1,1 13
Pierre Brun 180 108 180 180 174 157 180 1,1 14
Hector Diez 180 180 138 180 180 180 111 1,1 15
Logan Tetrick Jr 154 104 165 180 180 180 180 1,1 16
Norm Smith 180 180 180 180 88 180 57 1,0 17
Peter Brocks 180 180 131 102 62 180 176 1,0 18
Joseph Farmer Jr 180 180 157 0 180 180 DNF 19
Billy Farmer Jr 180 103 74 54 DNF DNF DNF 20
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Total Place
Charlie Jones 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 281 1,8 1
Blake Jensen 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 270 1,8 2
George Batiuk 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 265 1,8 3
Rich Rohrke 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 280 1,5 4
Bob Biedron 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 265 180 1,7 5
Mike Mulligan 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 265 0 1,5 6
Eddie Vanlandingham 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 108 1,3 7
Robert Piserchio 180 180 180 180 180 169 180 1,2 8
John Clapp 180 180 180 180 164 180 180 1,2 9
Elmer Nelson 180 180 180 180 180 160 180 1,2 10
Richard Wood 180 180 180 180 180 180 150 1,2 11
Michael Woodhouse 180 180 180 135 180 180 180 1,2 12
Paul Crowley 180 180 82 180 180 180 180 1,1 13
Greg Simon 180 180 65 180 180 171 180 1,1 14
Philip Schiman 180 180 180 25 180 180 180 1,1 15
Jack Emery 180 180 180 180 114 DNF DNF 16
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Total Place
Randy Archer 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 465 2,0 1
Ed Carroll 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 434 1,9 2
Don Chesson 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 386 1,9 3
Faust Parker 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 355 1,9 4
Daryl Perkins 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 332 1,8 5
Terry Kerger 180 155 180 180 180 180 180 1,2 6
Chuck Etherington 180 180 180 154 180 167 180 1,2 7
Richard Mathis 180 46 140 180 180 180 DNF 8
1 2 3 4 5 6 TotalPlace
Jerry Murphy 120 120 120 120 120 239 839 1
Elmer Nelson 120 120 120 120 120 168 768 2
George Batiuk 120 120 120 120 120 600 3
John Clapp 120 110 120 120 120 590 4
Tiffancy O'Dell 120 120 120 120 109 589 5
Ted Firster 120 120 120 105 120 585 6
Paul Crowley 120 120 120 103 120 583 7
Eddie Vanlandingham 120 120 120 120 97 577 8
Alan Petersen 62 120 120 120 115 537 9
Greg Simon 120 120 120 77 DNF 437 10
Bernie Crowe 120 120 105 DNF DNF 345 11
Eugene Jensen 120 120 83 DNF DNF 323 12
Jack Emery 120 120 77 DNF DNF 317 13
Peter Brocks 120 120 77 DNF DNF 317 14
Allan Mecham 120 120 DNF DNF DNF 240 15
Charlie Jones 86 114 DNF DNF DNF 200 16
Chuck Markos 114 DNF DNF DNF DNF 114 17
1 2 3 4 5 6 TotalPlace
Brian Van Nest 120 120 120 120 120 600 FLY-OFF
Jim Parker 120 120 120 120 120 600 FLY-OFF
Mike McKeever 120 120 120 102 120 582 3
Norm Smith 120 120 78 120 120 558 4
Ryan Archer 120 120 120 57 120 537 5
Chuck Markos 110 118 DNF DNF DNF 228 6
Lee Hines 108 120 DNF DNF DNF 228 7
Kyle Jones 21 112 DNF DNF DNF 133 8
1 2 3 4 5 6 TotalPlace
Faust Parker 120 120 120 120 120 600 FLY-OFF
Randy Archer 120 120 120 120 120 600 FLY-OFF
Terry Kerger 120 120 120 91 120 571 3
Dan Bartick 120 120 120 120 DNF 480 4
Tony Robertson 120 105 DNF DNF DNF 225 5
Ed Carroll DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 0 6
SCAT Electronic News
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Roger
As Joni Michell put it, 'you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone'. I
hope all is well with you and I look forward to the return of the
e-newsletter.
Best wishes,
Michael
[Just a little busy ..]
FAI Team Finals
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I got a call recently asking when the 2007 Team Finals are scheduled. We
will be flying the Finals from October 9 (Processing) through October 13 at
Lost Hills, California. The Finals will be between the Livotto and Sierra Cup
FAI events. October 10 (F1C early round and F1B late round), October 11 (F1B
early and F1A late), October 12 (F1A early and F1C late) with October 13 used
to complete the events as necessary. Hope this helps those who are planning
their participation. I'll see most of you at MaxMen. Any questions about
dates or time or you want to volunteer to help, feel free to contact me at (91
6)
967-8475 or at my E-mail.
Re: My First Encounter with Bob White
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George,
Thanks very much for the updated version of "My First Encounter with
Bob White"! It will be a worthy addition to the Sympo. Good luck with
your story about Champion Model Products.
Regards,
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: George Schroedter
To: hgrogan
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: My First Encounter with Bob White
Hello Harry,
I certainly don't mind at all your using my little article on White
any way you wish. But I wrote that quickly one morning and sent it off
to Roger. When I read it later I saw that was badly in need of some
editing.
This I have done now, so I am including the edited version here as an
attachment.
I received a similar request from Sergio Montes, who puts out the Free
Flight Quarterly for the Austrailian Modellers (Brit. spelling). We
e-mailed back and forth a few times. Before I knew it, I had agreed to
write for him the story of Champion Model Products. There is a lot to
that story, so it is going to take me quite a while. The bottom line is
that it was a fun hobby-business with the emphasis on "hobby".
Again, glad to help.
George
Southwest Regionals web report
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Here's the web report on January's Southwest Regionals at Eloy Arizona:
_http://www.aalmps.com/swr06/2006swr.htm
_ (http://www.aalmps.com/swr06/2006swr.htm)
AL
A. A. Lidberg model plan service
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Southwest Regionals contest report: www.aalmps.com/swr06/2006swr.htm
F1E California World Cup Reminder
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Reminder- The first USA F1E World Cup Event will be on Feb 15 (Thursday) on
the Holloway Hill near Lost Hills, CA.
Feb 3rd entry deadline is coming soon.
Open ($25.00) Junior ($10.00)
LATE ENTRY FEE IS DOUBLE REGULAR FEE. ENTRIES ARE CONSIDERED LATE IF
RECEIVED AFTER FEB. 3rd, 2006
- U. S. competitors can copy entry form (see earlier SEN or email me)and
mail in with fees
- e-mail entries from U.S. fliers will not be accepted but email me if you
think your check will be just a few days late and I'll prove a small grace
period).
- Non-U.S. competitors may e-mail entry form and pay upon arrival.
SEND ENTRIES TO:
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Jim Parker
9524 Ruffner Ave
North Hills, CA 91343-2616
USA
KeilKraft 'Senator' Postal Competition 2006/7
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I recently distributed to contestants, donors, etc. the results, report
and photos of the initial 2005 KK Senator Postal contest, which had
entrants from many countries and carried awards totalling approx $370.
I am now emailing details of the second event, which commences February
1st. and closes January 31st 2007; this timespan allows summer
participation from flyers in both hemispheres. This contest already has
donations and pledges equivalent to the total awards for 2005 and I
expect greater numbers of models recording scores this year. To
encourage further participation, there is also a team challenge - for
club members or maybe individuals who team up, at long distance, with
others in similar position.
The 'Senator' is a simple, strong and viceless rubber design that
performs beyond its original expectations. Vintage-legal in UK and
elswhere, it also serves well in US Category 3 events such as Nostalgia
Rubber, Moffet and even Mulvihill.
For anyone interested in the details of the forthcoming event - and/or
the results of the 2005 - please contact me OFFLIST at
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Updated F1G - 2006 Southwest Regionals Results
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Roger,
Here are the updated results for F1G .... there was an input error on the
pervious file. Sorry for the confusion!
-john-
1 2 3 4 5 6 Total Place
Jerry Murphy F1G 120 120 120 120 120 239 839 1
Elmer Nelson F1G 120 120 120 120 120 168 768 2
John Clapp F1G 120 110 120 120 120 590 3
Tiffancy O'Dell F1G 120 120 120 120 109 589 4
Ted Firster F1G 120 120 120 105 120 585 5
Paul Crowley F1G 120 120 120 103 120 583 6
Eddie Vanlandingham F1G 120 120 120 120 97 577 7
Alan Petersen F1G 62 120 120 120 115 537 8
Greg Simon F1G 120 120 120 77 DNF 437 9
Bernie Crowe F1G 120 120 105 DNF DNF 345 10
Eugene Jensen F1G 120 120 83 DNF DNF 323 11
Jack Emery F1G 120 120 77 DNF DNF 317 12
Peter Brocks F1G 120 120 77 DNF DNF 317 13
Allan Mecham F1G 120 120 DNF DNF DNF 240 14
Charlie Jones F1G 86 114 DNF DNF DNF 200 15
Chuck Markos F1G 114 DNF DNF DNF DNF 114 16
Honda Fat Cat TR200 motorcycle
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Hello to everyone!
If someone can sell 2 Honda Fat Cat TR200 motorcycles, please contact
with me!!!
Artem Babenko
Eugen Verbitskiy
Thank you!
Towline stretch
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Roger, please publish in SEN.
Thanks,
Jim Farmer
Not very long ago as I began collecting all the equipment and support gear
needed for competing with modern F1As, I discovered that it is basically
impossible to just buy a towline. I'm exaggerating, but you probably know
what I mean. What I found was that just about everyone had their own
opinion about what type of towline is best, what amount of towline stretch
is best, which type stretches the least, which type handles the best, which
type holds up best, how to make up the towlines, etc., etc. I have my own
opinions by now about most of these issues, but at the time I needed facts
on which to base decisions, and towline stretch was something I could
measure. So, I made up several towlines from a few of the commonly used
materials, went out to the sidewalk in front of my house, and ran some very
simple pull tests using a spring fish scale. The results are listed below.
I tested both full towlines, and shorter lengths of the heavier leader
materials. I don't know if this kind of information has been published
before, but I thought it might be helpful particularly for anyone
considering getting started or restarted in F1A. The data is as-collected,
so please excuse the mixture of english and metric units.
Load (kg.) Stretch (in.) Stretch (%) % stretch per kg.
Handling end of towline, 23ft.:
170# spectra core kite bridle line (braided dacron over spectra)
5 1 .36 .072
10 2 .72 .072
20 4 1.45 .072
200# "Planer Board" line (braided dacron)
5 2 .36 .072
10 5.5 1.99 .20
15 11 3.98 .26
braided nylon mason's line
5 15 5.43 1.08
10 33 11.95 1.19
Full (or almost full) towlines:
23 ft. 170# kite bridle line + 141 ft. of 150# braided spectra
5 6 .30 .061
10 12 .61 .061
15 18 .915 .061
164 ft. 1mm Russian Rod (pre-stretched line with 35# pull)
5 11 .55 .11
10 29 1.47 .15
15 50 2.54 .17
136 ft. braided kevlar (Jim Bradley)
5 10.5 .64 .13
10 17.5 1.07 .11
15 26 1.59 .11
The last column (%stretch/kg) gives a back-to-back normalized comparison of
stiffness, or elasticity, however you want to look at it. I expected the
spectra to be on the stiff side, but was a little surprised to see that the
Russian Rod stretched roughly twice as much as spectra. As you might
imagine it's a little tricky to take measurements of the RR because it has a
visco-elastic property to it much like other monofilaments. You can
pre-stretch, as I did, to try to remove as much of the visco-elasticity as
possible from the test. The problem is that once you let go of the
pre-load, the line immediately starts shrinking back to it's original
length. My procedure with the RR was to hold the 35lb. pre-stretch until
the length stabilized, release the pre-load for 2-5 seconds until the end of
the line retracted slightly to a predetermined starting position marked on
the sidewalk, and then do the pull tests. I suppose you could also start
the measured pull tests from a stabilized pre-stretched position, i.e.
without relaxing the preload at all, but I didn't try that and wasn't sure
how relevant that would be to F1A towing. The website for W Hobby where I
purchased the RR advertises 1% stretch at 5kg, considerably more than what I
measured.
I use the first towline listed, with the dacron/spectra leader + braided
spectra. I like the kite bridle line for the handling section of a towline
because it is fairly stiff for a non-monofilament (relative to the Planer
Board line for example) and less prone to tangle than some other types, I
tell myself. Lee Hines uses the Planer Board line and could speak to this.
The mason's line was included really only for giving perspective to the
other lines, although I suppose it could work in a towline. I did not have
any of the heavy yellow monofilament that Jim Parker and some others use for
the leader. According to Jim it is significantly softer than the materials
I tested. I liked the feel of it when I borrowed his towline, but
monofilaments don't cooperate with my Israeli towreel. Anyway, these dacron
string burns on my fingers should start healing up any day now. Another
leader line that I have but didn't test was "pulse line", which I'm almost
certain is also braided dacron over spectra core. I know Ken Bauer uses it,
and it's available from www.westmarine.com in several sizes including 1/16"
(orange) and 5/32" (purple). I have a towline made up of the 5/32 and
looking forward to trying it.
I would be interested to know if others have come up with similar results,
or about data on other towline materials. Sources for the towline materials
that I tested are listed below.
dacron over spectra kite bridle line: Into The Wind, www.intothewind.com,
800-541-0314, 60ft. spool 170# test "Laser Pro" by Innovative Textiles Inc.,
Item #1895, $8.00
Planer Board Line: Jann's Netcraft, http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/,
1-800-netcraft, 150ft. spool 200# test, catalog # 710430, $5.99
braided spectra: Into The Wind, www.intothewind.com, 800-541-0314, 200ft.
spool 150# test "Speed Line" by Shanti Kites, Item #1623, $16.95
(also available from Windpower sports.com.)
Russian Rod: W Hobby, http://w-hobby.com/?p=News, 100m roll, 1mm dia.,
product no. MT10, 11.58 euros.
Kevlar: Bradley Model Products, http://members.aol.com/bmp4carbon/,
407-277-9132, 50m roll, 200# test, item# TLK-200, $11.00
nylon mason's line: Home Depot, Ace Hardware, etc.
Re: SWR 2006 [SAMTalk]
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In a message dated 1/23/2006 6:33:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
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Guys
If you are interested a few of the shots that I took last week in Arizona.
_http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/southwest2006.htm_
(http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/southwest2006.htm)
_http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/images/199_9938a.jpg_
(http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/images/199_9938a.jpg)
is my truck and my chase bike, late on Sunday. The 'official' AMA sign-in
canopy can't even be seen on the other side of the truck. Yup, it was windy and
dusty for a while - we shut down soon after this blow.
AL
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Southwest Regionals/Eloy contest: _www.aalmps.com/6info.htm_
(http://www.aalmps.com/6info.htm)
SWR 2006
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Guys
If you are interested a few of the shots that I took last week in Arizona.
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/southwest2006.htm
Michael J Woodhouse, Norwich, UK.
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Fw: Request for Info about Bob White
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Hello Roger,
Do you think you could put the request below in the SCAT News? I
would like to get the word out to as many readers as possible.
Thanks very much,
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: hgrogan
To: Roger Morrell
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:04 PM
Subject: 2006 NFFS Symposium
Roger,
Free flight modelers are saddened over the loss of Bob White in
November. He was a great competitor and a good person, and had friends
all over the world. I am thinking about dedicating the 2006 NFFS
Symposium in his honor. Could you make a request in the SCAT News for
anyone who would like to write about him? George Schroedter wrote "My
First Encounter with Bob White" in the Dec. 13th issue. That could be
re-printed in the Sympo and would be a good example of what I am looking
for. Here are three different subjects that would be appropriate in
honoring Bob White:
1. Biography - a history of his life, career, and modeling
accomplishments. For example, how many times was he on the U.S. FAI team
and when? How did he place each time? How many of his designs were
published? What other events did he excel at besides F1B? The author
will have to be someone who new him well and is willing to do some
research. The biography can also be a compilation of several
contributors, so anyone is welcome to help in this effort.
2. Eulogy - a brief remembrance and a fond farewell to someone who was
so respected and admired.
3. Personal stories - George Schroedter's contribution was a good start.
There must be many other modelers who would like to share a story or an
anecdote about what he was like.
Thanks,
Harry Grogan
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(407)365-1682
LiPo Lore
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Tapio,
LiPo batteries have much reduced capacity in the cold... If you were flying
on a frozen lake, I'd assume you were at or below 0C. At that temperature,
I'd expect LiPos to have 1/2 or less of their rated capacity. And even if
they were well-matched at room temperature, I don't think you can expect
their capacities to stay matched at low temps. Basically, you drained the
batteries to the point where one was killed.
My suggestion is to downrate the capacity at least 50% at 0C or below. If at
all possible, when flying in the cold, I'd suggest warming the packs up and
topping them up on the charger between flights... You may want to have two
sets of packs that you can swap out flight-to-flight. You may also consider
using a larger battery with more capacity when it's cold.
Greg in Minneapolis
P.S. I fly mostly electric RC nowadays, mostly with LiPos. I've luckily not
learned this the hard way... And I'm happy your experience wasn't worse.
SCAT annual 2006
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SCAT Annual
Bisssonette-Mirage Field, Lost Hills, CA, March 18 & 19, 2006
An America’s Cup and National Cup Contest
America’s Cup Events
Saturday, March 18 Sunday, March 19
Open Events: 8 AM Mini Events: 8AM
Seven 1 Hour Rounds, 3 minute Max Five 1 Hour Rounds, 2 minute Max
F1A 4 min. 1st Rd. F1G 4 min. 1st Rd.
F1B 5 min. 1st Rd. F1H 3 min. 1st Rd.
F1C 5 min. 1st Rd. F1J 4 min. 1st Rd.
F1P 5 min. 1st Rd. See Special Mini Event Rules below
FAI Events: Flyoff Schedule TBA, 1st Round times count.
National Cup Events
Saturday Sunday
8 AM to 3 PM 8 AM to 3 PM
Hand Launch Glider Catapult Launch Glider
Nostalgia Wakefield Classic Towline Glider
Entry Fees: $20.00 for 1st Open Event, $5.00 for Additional events.
$5.00 for National Cup Events
Juniors (18 or younger 2006) half price, Jr. High time Award; AMA
and Lost Hills Free Flight Model
Airfield memberships are required. Sign-ups at field ok. AMA Sanction
no. 06-0336
Contest Directors
Roger Coleman Lee Hines
4737 Boyar Avenue 376 Magnolia
Long Beach, CA 90807-1238 Costa Mesa, CA 92627
(562) 428-8542 (949) 645-4850
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Special Mini Event Rules:
There will be a Champagne flight timed to the ground for the first
round of the Mini’s Sunday
morning. The max time indicated above will be used for the 1st round.
The mini’s will then be flown
to include all five rounds plus fly off rounds till 3p.m. The ties
that may still exist will be settled by the Champagne times flown in
the 1st round. F1J will be flown with 5 second
engine runs for all rounds and a 3 minute max for rounds 2 thru 5.
...........
Roger Morrell
