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SEN issue 1039 - 18 October 2006
Table of Contents
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Sierra Cup Results - McKeever
Reflection on the Finals - Biggles
Thanks - Roberts
Wawayanda Fall Contest this weekend - Barron
BOMMER Bummer in Muncie - Douglas
Sierra Cup Results
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McKeever
EVENT SIERRA CUP SCORING SHEET 2006
F1A
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 Total Place
Vasily Beschansy UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 388 1948 1
Henning Nyhegn DEN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 358 1918 2
Chris Lenartowicz CAN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 358 1780 3
Dallas Parker USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 220 1504 4
Tzevetan Tzevtkov USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 41 1601 5
Kimmo Kulmakko FIN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 183 1254 6
Steve Spence USA 180 180 180 161 180 180 180 1241 7
Brian Van Nest USA 161 180 180 180 180 180 180 1241 7
Logan Tetrick (JR) USA 180 180 180 180 180 161 180 1241 7
Don Zink USA 180 180 150 180 180 180 180 1230 10
Lee Hines USA 174 133 180 180 180 180 180 1207 11
Mike Thompson USA 180 116 180 180 180 180 180 1196 12
Segfried Limberger LUX 180 180 180 180 180 110 180 1190 13
Peter Brocks USA 180 180 180 168 180 118 180 1186 14
Ken Bauer USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 95 1175 15
Victor Stamov UKR 180 180 180 180 95 180 180 1175 15
Hector Diaz USA 128 180 180 123 180 180 180 1151 17
Peter Allnutt CAN 180 180 180 180 180 70 180 1150 18
Jim Parker USA 172 89 160 180 180 180 180 1141 19
Chuck Markos USA 173 153 89 180 180 180 180 1135 20
Andrew Barron USA 133 180 180 180 180 180 93 1126 21
Dan Protheroe USA 180 180 51 180 180 163 180 1114 22
Dan Smith USA 180 51 180 180 180 180 108 1059 23
Javier Abad SPN 180 180 180 0 180 130 180 1030 24
Fred Terzian USA 180 165 98 180 180 0 180 983 25
Mike Szura USA 59 0 180 53 50 179 70 591 26
Dave Edmonson USA 171 0 0 0 0 0 180 351 27
Rene Limberger LUX 180 0 0 0 0 0 0 180 28
Risto Puhakka USA 176 0 0 0 0 0 0 176 29
Bob Sifleet USA 117 0 0 0 0 0 0 117 30
F1B
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 Total Place
Blake Jensen USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 345 1905 1
Bob Biedron USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 341 243 1901* 2
Yrjo Waltonen FIN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 341 215 1901* 3
Tom Ioerger USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 192 1752 4
Ed Vanlandingham USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 293 1553 5
Igor Vivchar UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 285 1545 6
Alex Andriukov USA 180 180 180 180 180 170 180 244 1504 7
Michael Siefert GER 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 176 1436 8
Rich Rohrke USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 168 1428 9
Jack Emery USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 167 1427 10
Dick Wood USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 135 1395 11
Pym Ruyter NED 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 126 1386 12
Paul Crowley USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 117 1377 13
George Batiuk USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 111 1371 14
Roger Morrell USA 180 175 180 180 180 180 180 1255 15
Bill Booth USA 180 180 174 180 180 180 180 1254 16
Dave Edmonson USA 180 180 180 180 180 172 180 1252 17
Greg Simon USA 180 180 171 180 180 180 180 1251 18
Mike Mulligan USA 180 174 144 180 180 180 180 1218 19
Cameron Ackerly CAN 180 180 180 180 180 136 180 1216 20
Charlie Jones USA 180 180 126 180 180 180 180 1206 21
John Mallkin NZL 180 180 180 180 121 180 180 1201 22
Walt Ghio USA 180 180 180 180 107 180 180 1187 23
Aram Schlossberg USA 180 180 180 180 178 180 0 1078 24
Ladi Horak CAN 180 180 180 180 180 132 0 1032 25
Ron Felix USA 180 180 144 180 117 180 0 981 26
George Schroedter USA 180 180 180 180 180 12 0 912 27
Jim Bradley USA 180 180 180 179 0 0 0 719 28
Elmer Nelson USA 180 158 177 0 0 0 0 515 29
F1C
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 Total Place
Ken Happersett USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 341 1901 1
Henry Spence USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 317 1877 2
Artem Babenko UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 275 1835 3
Bob Gutai USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 231 1791 4
Mike Roberts USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 218 1788 5
Norm Poti USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 275 1535 6
Ed Carroll USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 265 1525 7
Matt Gewain USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 235 1495 8
Bucky Servaites USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 219 1479 9
Eugene Verbitsky UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 201 1461 10
R. Pechersky CAN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 189 1449 11
Andre Kirelinko USA 180 180 180 180 170 180 180 1250 12
Lynn Pulley USA 180 180 180 180 180 170 174 1244 13
Roger Simpson USA 180 180 180 180 180 149 180 1229 14
Frank Schlachta CAN 119 180 180 180 180 145 180 1164 15
Ron Grulinski CAN 180 120 180 129 116 180 180 1085 17
David Johannes USA 180 180 180 180 180 129 0 1029 16
Ron McBurnett USA 180 180 136 140 0 0 0 0 636 18
Don Chesson USA 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 28 19
F1P
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 FO1 FO2 Total Place
Anthony Ferrario (JR) USA 180 180 180 172 180 180 180 1252 1
Cody Secor (JR) USA 180 160 180 180 180 180 180 1240 2
Gabrielian, Narek USA 180 165 180 65 180 180 180 1130 3
Rocco Ferrario USA 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1080 4
Randy Secor USA 180 165 180 180 180 180 10 1075 5
EVENT SIERRA CUP SCORING SHEET 2006
F1G
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 Total Place
Igor Vivchar UKR 120 120 120 120 120 240 840 1
Dick Wood USA 120 120 120 120 120 129 729 2
Greg Simon USA 120 120 120 120 120 93 693 3
Peter Brocks USA 120 120 120 120 120 84 684 4
Tom Ioerger USA 120 120 120 120 120 69 669 5
Tiffany O'Dell USA 120 120 120 120 120 69 669 5
Dave Edmonson USA 120 120 120 120 113 593 7
Jack Emery USA 120 120 120 120 107 587 8
Rich Rohrke USA 120 120 120 120 102 582 9
Elmer Nelson USA 120 120 120 89 120 569 10
Ed Vanlandingham USA 120 120 90 90 120 540 11
Paul Crowley USA 120 120 112 0 0 352 12
F1J
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 Total Place
David Johannes USA 120 120 120 120 120 240 328 1168 1
Dave Roundsville USA 120 120 120 120 120 240 307 1147 2
Henry Spence USA 120 120 120 120 120 240 194 1034 3
Mike Roberts USA 120 120 120 120 120 240 94 934 4
Steve Spence USA 120 120 120 97 457 5
Bob Gutai USA 120 120 35 0 0 275 6
F1H
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 Total Place
Mike Thompson USA 120 120 120 120 120 240 360 480 593 2273 1
Jim Parker USA 120 120 120 120 120 240 360 480 382 2062 2
Vasily Beschansy UKR 120 120 120 120 120 240 360 480 122 1802 3
Kimmo Kulmakko FIN 120 120 120 120 120 240 360 345 1545 4
Mike McKeever USA 120 120 120 120 120 240 360 92 1292 5
Norm Smith USA 120 120 120 120 120 229 829 6
Fred Terzian USA 120 120 120 89 120 569 7
Chuck Markos USA 120 120 79 120 120 559 8
Mike Szura USA 120 120 120 120 71 551 9
Dave Edmonson USA 120 0 0 0 0 120 10
Bob Sifleet USA 112 0 0 0 0 112 11
Reflection on the Finals
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Martyn Cowley"
* The Team Selection Program presently allocates 5 days to pick a US
Team. Day 1 is processing and registration, with 3 days of
competition, and the last day for extra rounds and / or fly-offs. If
a result is not achieved, the event must be rescheduled and decided
at a later date and place, to be announced. Being an outdoor sport,
we are highly weather dependent. And yet, the chances of day 5 being
any better than any of the preceding 4 days is no better than 1 in 5,
and there is no assurance that this last day will provide suitable
wind speed, direction or visibility for an ultimate deciding 10
minute flight in non-thermal conditions (ie within an hour of sunrise
/ sunset).
* What alternatives are there to this present program ? It is
certainly possible that any of the preceding 3 days may indeed be
better than the last day for such 10 minute fly-offs, yet currently
these days are effectively wasted for this purpose. What if an early
morning 10 minute "tie-breaker" fly-off was scheduled for all 4
contest days ? All competitors would assemble at their individual
poles (3 per pole, A, B, and C) by 6:45, and be prepared to either
time or fly. Let's assume there will be 25 competitors in all 3
events (A, B & C). Then if the weather cooperates, A & B would time
for C one day, B & C times for A, and A & C times for B ? Could we
get 2 fly-off rounds in on 1 day, one at 7:00am and one at 7:30 (only
if ALL of the first to fly can get back in time) ? And similarly we
could schedule for the possibilities of late 10 minute fly-offs, if
the weather cooperated at the end of a day, say at 5:30 pm and 6:00
pm ?
* The "normal" contest would run for 7, 6 or 5 rounds per day, two
days per event, and would be decided with a normal max-out and 5 min
and 7 min fly offs, if possible. The "tie-breaker" would only be
used if the contest cannot be concluded normally. There would
obvious be unnecessary fly-off scores timed, for those who will not
max out, that will not count and will be thrown away. But this
schedule would provide 8 opportunities for a 10 minute performance
"still air" fly-off, compared to the present 2 chances (last day
morning and evening).
* Alternatively, the finals could be scheduled over more days (6, 8,
10 ???), or as it has been, in conjunction with other contests
(weekends before and after) with the understanding that these days
can also be used for deciding fly-offs. (However, this may cause a
conflict with such other events, especially if they are America's Cup
or World Cup events, where the far-traveled and International
entrants may well have different objectives than a US Team place -
and is not presently an option).
* I personally believe that a World Championship Team should rightly
be selected at a single event and location, just as the World
Champion is decided to reward exceptional performance on a single
day. There are similar events which run all year long, to test
consistency of performance, but this is a different concept, called
the World Cup (or America's Cup) and rewards the determination to
travel just as much as it does reward model performance.
* How else can we run a Finals, or is the present format acceptable,
yet somewhat risky ?
- Respectfully,
Biggles
Thanks
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As a Team Finals participant, I would like to thank Mike McKeever and his crew
for all there efforts on behalf of all of us during trying conditions at Lost Hills.
As a community of competitors we are truely fortunate to have those that step
forward to insure we are able to fly in all our events, particularly those
that take substantial effort in organization. Thanks again Mike, Martyn,
Walt, Doug, Bob and all those I am unable to recall do to a senior moment.
I would also like to thank all those F1 B flyers who timed for me as
we flew. Contrary to "the talk", my engine runs were extremely accurate
relative to my timer marks and helped give me confidence during the fly off.
Great job on the watches guys! Well, back out to the shop to install
new fuel lines and bladders for our next go around.
Thanks again to all.
Best Regards
Mike Roberts
Wawayanda Fall Contest this weekend
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Here is a reminder with the schedule of events for the contest this
weekend (Saturday and Sunday) at Barron Field in New York. Note that for
the fall contest the start time of the Sunday FAI events is pushed later
to 7:30am so as to not be flying in the dark. Otherwise the events and
schedule is per our custom at Wawayanda. Note that we have the FAC events
run by Tom Hallman and John Houch as well as the Skyscraper FAI, AMA, and
NFFS events. The preliminary weather forcasts for Middletown, NY at
weather.com look good for this weekend (temperature near 60F, maximum wind
Saturday WSW at 9mph, Sunday SSE at 5mph, low chance of showers). We will
know more when they publish the hourly details on Friday.
Skyscraper CD Aram Schlosberg is looking for an assistant to help with
recording scores. Let him know if you would like to help.
Some corn may still be up on the Ford fields. If you are flying near corn
on models larger than an HLG or CAT glider or FAC model, a working
transmitter for tracking lost models is a must. We may lose rights for
access if the farmers harvest larger models among the corn.
Thermals!
Andrew Barron
Autumn Contest
National Cup
FAI, AMA, NFFS, FAC
October 21-22, 2006
Barron, Ford, and Shuback Fields
Wawayanda, New York
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SKYSCRAPER EVENTS
Aram Schlosberg CD 718 479 0478 or 917 466 3222
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FAI events:
Saturday October 21:
F1G (small rubber), F1H (small glider), F1J (small power) and
F1Q all with 120 sec maxes.
Round 1: 9:30-11:00am
Round 2: 10:30-12:00
Round 3: 11:30- 1:00
Round 4: 12:30- 2:00pm
Round 5: 1:30- 3:00pm
Flyoffs: 3:15pm --
Sunday Morning October 22:
FAI events: F1A (glider), F1B (Wakefield), F1C (power),
F1P (small power, 10 sec motor run, 180 sec max, weather
permitting);
Round 1: 7:30- 9:00am Max 240 sec (weather permitting)
Round 2: 8:30- 10:00am Max 180 sec
Round 3: 9:30-11:00am
Round 4: 10:30-12:00am
Round 5: 11:30-1:00pm
Round 6: 12:30-2:00pm
Round 7: 1:30-3:00pm
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AMA and NFFS events:
Saturday October 21: 9am--4:30pm. [Awards at 4:30pm.]
Hand Launch Glider, 1/2A Gas, ABC Classic,
Mulvihill, Classic Towline, Payload.
Early Sunday, October 22:
Dawn Unlimited (Gather with CDs at 7:00am on field
for ground rules). Launch window (7:15 to 7:30am).
Sunday, October 22: 8:00 am to 4:00pm. [Awards at 4:00pm.]
Catapult Glider, 1/2 A Classic, 1/2 A Nostalgia,
P-30 Rubber, Pee-Wee 30 Power,
E-36 (the new NFFS electric entry event),
Enter fees and awards:
Open fliers pay $20 ($10 field use fee, plus $10 entry).
Juniors and Seniors pay $15 total ($10 field use plus $5 entry).
Awards will be in the form of certificates.
Juniors are recognized both for how they finish among themselves
and among the open fliers.
National Cup: All the junior national cup events are included as
separate sanctioned events, and the results will be reported as
such.
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FLYING ACES EVENTS
Tom Hallman, CD 610-395-5656
John Houck, CD 610-488-6235
Saturday, October 21, 9am-5pm
FAC Scale
Peanut Scale
Embryo
No-cal
Fiction Flyer Mass Launch
Oldtime Plan/Kit Scale
Golden Age Racers Mass Launch (Greve&Thompson combined)
WWI Mass Launch (biplanes)
Sunday, October 22, 9am-3pm
Jumbo Scale
Power Scale
Modern Production Civilian
Dime Scale
WWII Mass Launch
Modern Military Mass Launch
Golden Age Scale
Flying Horde (any scale model)
Harvey Wallbanger Award
Fliers pay $20 ($10 field use fee and $10 entry).
You must have a valid AMA card.
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For directions and hotels see www.brooklynskyscrapers.org
For directions on a map see www.hallmanstudio.com/wawamap.jpg
BOMMER Bummer in Muncie
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Don,
You make a good point in that you were given the runaround by AMA and
finally told that buying a kit of assembled parts from the Ukraine and
covering them, painting, assembling, and trimming, constituted a violation
of the Builder Of the Model (BOM) rule. Well, that's nonsense. I went to
the AMA site and found something called BOM Interpreted Rule. This is
interesting. It reads as follows:
Interpreted rule:
6. Builder of Model. The CD shall make every reasonable effort to assure
himself that each flier has completely “constructed’ the model(s) he uses in
competition, including the covering where used, with “constructed” to be
interpreted as the action required to complete a model starting with no more
prefabrication than the amount used in the average kit (“average kit” is
interpreted by Control Line Aerobatics as a model that may consist of
precut, unassembled parts or assembled (uncovered) subcomponents such as
wings, horizontal and vertical stab, fuselage; requiring a few hours of
assembly time and covering). Models which are completely prefabricated
(“completely prefabricated” is interpreted as the model is ready to fly out
of the box or in a few minutes (less than an hour) of assembly time.) and
require only a few minutes (less than an hour) of unskilled effort for their
completion shall be excluded from competition. (Control Aerobatics
additionally interprets that any model, that is pre-covered in the box is
excluded from competition). In the case of rubber-powered models (excluding
Indoor duration models), commercially available balsa, plastic, and hardwood
propellers may be used. Materials and design may be obtained from any
source, including kits. The builder-of-the-model rule applies to every AMA
event unless specifically noted otherwise in the rules governing that event.
If you just delete the words "Control Line Aerobatics" from that paragraph,
then I'm happy. This means that uncovered components from Russia, Ukraine,
or from a garage sale may be considered an "average kit". A covered model
from some other source may be used if you take the paper off and recover it.
Recovering means repainting and retrimming. As a CD, I have been using the
Interpreted Rule for several years (although I didn't know about it) w/o the
Control Line Aerobatics descriptor. It is interesting that, regarding
Control Line, a contest sanctioning group on the west coast called Western
Associated Modelers (WAM) deleted the BOM rule about 10 years ago.
Exceptions to the BOM rule for WAM are for stunt and scale where points are
given for fidelity to scale or beauty.
The NFFS says that you have to put a D on the model to fly one built by a
dead guy is also wrong. There was an article in SEM where this was
eloquently argued but I don't have the author. In essence it said that you
are proud to fly a model built by "Joe Bilgri" or "Joe Foster", or dead guy
of your choice.
OK, so that's my spin on the BOM rule. What Don experienced is expected
from AMA, and, is garbage in my opinion. Where does Control Line Aerobatics
rate?
Dick Douglas
.............
Roger Morrell
