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SCAT Electronic News 20 October 2005 issue 978
Table of Contents
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How level is the flying field ?
Sierra Cup - McKeever
31st. CALIFORNIA FAI INVITATIONAL F1J Flyoff - Livotto
2005 Nats Video DVD is now Available - Abriss
Anti-grav - O'R
VOL LIBRE 165
Website for Luddite T-shirts - Mekina
Source for Luddite T-shirts - Keville
Wing Builder - Ioeger
Peter Found
Email distro
How level is the flying field ?
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Author : slalomskier
Dear fellow fliers, builders, and observers who all participate in this
beautiful sport. As many of you probably know, every other year, a junior
team is chosen of three people in the events F1A, F1B, and F1P. Part of the
process of choosing these members are when they are scored in event times at
the pre-nats, where parents and mentors are banned from the flight line.
This is designed to ensure that fliers can compete without the support of
older, more mature fliers, and the contest is fair to everyone. This system
is flat out b*** ***t. It is impossible to ensure safe competition if
parents are even in an area with cell phone coverage, mind in eyeshot of
there children! I saw many "discrepancies" of launchers tugging a line, to
indicate a launch, or a few thumbs up by the cars, even an assigned timer
was talking to me about thermals. Older siblings should not be allowed to
run with the flier while he is launching the plane, telling them what to do,
and when to launch, or telling them when the engine on a plane is tuned
right. The rules need to be changed. If you are not a competitor, you should
not be on the field. The AMA needs to not only assign timers, who are
already not at there poles, but to assign impartial launchers. The fact that
the competitor can still choose a launcher is as bad as having a parent
time. The point of having a timer that won't cheat is pointless, if they are
putting there planes in boomer thermals because an older, more mature flier
is pulling on a line. Not only do there need to be AMA assigned launchers,
the timers need to have the same equipment, or at least a minimum of good
binoculars. If timers can't see the plane, it defeats the purpose of the
timer himself. I even heard a timer say, "keep an eye on it, my vision is a
little poor". Retrieval is another issue. Not only did we have motor bikes
killing towlines and planes, which lead to me having to ask for a re-flight
when a motor bike tore through 3 of my 4 towlines on consecutive attempts.
Some people cannot afford expensive motor bikes, nor have parents waiting in
cars, ready to retrieve, and siblings waiting down wind with the backup
bike, and ready to jump in the corn, just to get the plane back for the
competitor. Not only are means of retrieval not uniform among competitors,
it is dangerous, and some idiots were even racing AMA officials at the end
of the nats. This is setting a really bad example for this sport. If a
competitor can tow a plane, they can retrieve 7 flights on foot. If the
rounds need to be extended, do so, to ensure that some people are not in the
corn. I was told that the flight line was being moved, and that the rounds
would not be started until the 3 fliers were out of the corn. I went in for
my stamov model, and found it near the runway. I was standing by the runway
when I heard the distant horn for a round start. I ran for the car, just to
get another rushed flight in. There were two others that also had to rush
like hell to make the flight. This contest is about who can make the best
flights, not who can retrieve the fastest; don't start a round until
everyone is there. This should also be true for fly offs. This is a tryout
for who can build, repair, fix, fly, trim, and choose air for there planes.
I know these changes are far from reality, but something needs to be
addressed about who makes the team, and why they do.
see you downhill
josh
Editorial Comment
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Number one comment is thanks for the input. Just as with the open program
we need comments from the active Junior flyers just as we need them from
the active open ones.
Second administrative matter is that I removed part of the e-mail address.
This is because I want to encourage active open discussion through SEN and
I want to discourage abusive private e-mail being sent to the author.
Sometime back another young man wrote his opinions about the finals
and described his personal feelings as sportsman. I was very disappointed
to learn later that he got much critial to the point of abusive e-mail.
The point of view of the active contestant is very important and
they must not be discouraged from exprressing it.
Now let me give my opinion some of the issues ..
Firstly my comment to you about the AMA is the same as to the person who
commented about the ROW pond at the nats - we have me the enemy and it is us.
All the competative events FF, C/L or RC are run by volenteeers
who support that branch of aeromodelling. The AMA provides us a structure
but we the free flight community set the rules and team selection criteria.
I make the comment that I've made before, we expect the Juniors to fly
a pivotal contest at a location that the open flyers will not use
for our regular team selection. That's the minus. The otherside
is that the best location for team selection is with out doubt
Lost Hills. The 'only' problem is that it's not practical to hold a selection
contest there during the summer vacation time when the team selection
commitee have decided that the Junior contest should be held.
East - Middle - West coast parochialism aside for people who have not
flown at Lost Hills - it can be very difficult to pick air -
the environment can be hard, dust, heat, insects etc
but there are very few problems with trees, corn, neighbours, etc
So it's just a straight shootout from the flight line !
Looking at alternatives sites the FF community has looked far and wide for
alternative sites and approaches with out succes, maybe some
of the Juniors have ideas ? on sites, dates or Format ?
There has been over that last 40 + years many methods tried for team
selection in the USA and all other countries. None is perfect. The best
chance of have a fair selection is to have everyone there at one place
where the contest is under some scrutiny. In the past for the Junior program
we did it on a decntralized basis where there was not enough rigor on the way
the contests were conducted. While my info is secondhand
I think this year's contest was better run than the first and judging from
your comments there is still room for improvement. For the open
selection event there is always a particpant survey after the event
clearly we need one here too.
In an open event there should be a jury and opportunity for contestants
to protest hsould an infraction be observed, but remember that when
you protest you have to put your money where your mouth is,
understand the rules and have a clear case. Don't forget that focus
on the event is very important and you must not let these problems
get to you and distract you.
Finally the toughest helper question. Clearly the intent of Junior World Champs
organizer is make the Junior do as much as possible. We need
to replicate that in our selection contest. It's just not
possible to manage what happens off the flight line. While I cannot
comment on the specific incident on moving the flight line, FAI
free flight is not just about getting the flight in in 'ideal' conditions.
That's AMA Free flight. Our event includes a large component
of organization and time management. You have to get those flights
in within the rounds and allow yourself time to pick the air.
You need to look at the rules and figure your game plan. You can't have
a helper on the flight line but retrival help is OK - so do it.
Maybe a friend from school who runs cross country will come with you and help?
In many respects this strategy is the part of the program that children
of active flyers have an advantage, but sometimes even they
out smart themselves, isn't that so Jim ? Get some who has been
on the team in your event to advise you on strategy.
The simplest thing is to always be ready at the beginning of the round.
I don't want you to think that people are ignoring your legitimate
isues, the team selection commitee read SEN and they are all dedicated
people who will notice. But this is a very tough event, that's why
at the World Champs, inspite of getting the best from over
30 countries only a few max out. Sometime we expect too much of ourselves.
Finally from a personal perspective I've often though about how I should,
could or would help the Junior program. I could do a F1B school, but others
do that probably better than I do, there seems to be no shortage
of people actively involved in running the program. I'm
certainly prepared to mentor any F1B flyer and show them how
to be as "lucky" as me :-) and get on the team.
"the more I practice, the luckier I get"
Armold Palmer
"pain is only temporary, quitting is forever"
Lance Armstrong
see you downwind!
Sierra Cup Results
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The 29th Annual Sierra Cup is in the books and the results should be
published below. Well attended contest and good , if at times, challenging
weather.
All events decided in a Sunday morning 10 minute round, although it appears
the 10 minute F1C may have arrived as Artem Babenko won the Sierra Cup with
a 10 minute max that DT'd slightly early from 60-90 feet. Great performance
is apparent in the latest generation folder. Jim Parker did it again in F1A
with a solid second place from Peter Allnut. Finally, a close 4 second win
for Alex Andriukov over Yrjo Waltonen. Better attendance was apparent for the
first Sierra Cup at Lost Hills. Plenty of stories to tell and they can be
told better from the people that made them. Dave Shirley, Jim Haught and I
enjoyed running the contest and I hope to see everyone there next year, after
Juan's FAI Invitational and the Team Selection Finals. Lost Hills will be the
place to be next October. Mike
EVENT SIERRA CUP SCORING SHEET 2005
F1A
NAME OUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 FO1 FO2 FO3 Total Place
Jim Parker USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 244 2224 1
Peter Allnutt CAN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 199 2179 2
Henning Nyhegn DEN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 172 1732 3
Hector Diez USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 244 1504 4
Lee Hines USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 142 1402 5
Dallas Parker(Ju USA 180 180 174 180 180 180 180 1254 6
Risto Pukakka USA 180 180 180 180 180 167 180 1247 7
Brian Van Nest USA 180 180 180 180 149 172 180 1221 8
Ernesto Busnelli USA 180 120 180 180 180 180 180 1200 9
John Cooper GBR 180 180 180 180 180 180 119 1199 10
Randy Weiler USA 180 102 180 180 180 180 180 1182 11
Jon Davis USA 180 180 180 180 147 130 180 1177 12
Peter Brocks USA 180 111 180 180 156 180 180 1167 13
Rene Limberger USA 167 138 180 180 116 180 180 1141 14
Andrew Barron USA 145 180 78 180 180 180 180 1123 15
Javier Abad ESP 180 83 180 180 180 145 165 1113 16
Ben Coussens(Jun USA 180 180 105 180 147 130 180 1102 17
Don Zink USA 180 180 180 148 180 102 112 1082 18
Gary Madelin GBR 180 180 180 46 180 99 180 1045 19
Dave Edmonson USA 180 99 180 180 180 110 115 1044 20
Norm Smith USA 180 180 94 23 180 180 180 1017 21
Vasily Bechasny UKR 77 180 180 180 180 180 22 999 22
Steve Spence USA 180 180 180 180 180 0 0 900 23
Logan Tetrick(Ju USA 92 83 170 180 114 180 50 869 24
Pierre Brun USA 175 180 169 0 0 0 0 524 25
Fred Terzian USA 143 61 125 35 0 0 0 364 26
F1B
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 FO1 FO2 Total Place
Alex Andriukov USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 322 1882 1
Yrjo Waltonen FIN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 318 1878 2
Paul Crowley USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 237 1797 3
Bill Booth USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 181 1741 4
Amy Raymond USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 1560 5
Elmer Nelson USA 180 180 180 180 180 172 180 1252 6
Alister McKenzie NZL 180 180 180 180 180 170 180 1250 7
Bob Piserchio USA 168 180 180 180 180 176 180 1244 8
Blake Jensen USA 180 163 180 180 180 180 180 1243 9
George Batiuk USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 161 1241 10
John Clapp USA 180 180 170 180 180 180 158 1228 11
John Malkin NZL 154 180 180 177 180 171 180 1222 12
Bob Tymchek USA 180 180 140 180 180 180 180 1220 13
Evan Simon(Junio USA 180 180 180 127 180 180 180 1207 14
Dick Wood USA 133 180 180 180 180 174 180 1207 15
Bob Biedron USA 180 180 180 123 180 180 180 1203 16
Roger Morrell USA 180 180 180 180 140 180 141 1181 17
Walt Ghio USA 180 180 180 150 180 180 102 1152 18
Dave Edmonson USA 180 127 135 180 180 122 144 1068 19
Jack Emery USA 129 50 133 180 180 180 180 1032 20
Rich Rourke USA 180 161 180 180 701 21
Greg Simon USA 180 0 180 159 8 527 22
Phil Schieman(Ju USA 180 78 14 272 23
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 FO1 FO2 Total Place
Artem Babenko UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 600 2160 1
Eugene Verbitsky UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 472 2032 2
Randy Archer USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 462 2022 3
Ken Happersett USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 417 1977 4
Bob Gutai USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 389 1949 5
Ron McBurnet USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 327 1887 6
Roger Simpson USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 290 1550 7
Bucky Servaites USA 212 180 180 180 180 180 180 212 1472 8
Matt Gewain USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 168 1428 9
Norm Poti USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 10
Charlie Stiles USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 162 1242 11
Ed Carroll USA 180 154 180 180 180 180 180 1234 12
Mike Roberts USA 180 180 180 32 180 180 180 1112 13
Lynn Pulley USA 180 180 180 180 175 895 14
Peter Sahlberg USA 180 180 180 168 180 888 15
Guy Mennano USA 180 180 180 180 72 792 16
Terry Kerger USA 180 180 180 180 35 755 17
Dave Shirley USA 180 180 180 180 33 753 18
David Johannes USA 180 180 180 162 26 728 19
Don Chesson USA 180 180 180 158 698 20
Daryl Perkins USA 180 180 180 149 689 21
John Warren USA 180 180 180 94 634 22
Jeff Ellington USA 180 180 180 78 5 623 23
Dick Mathis USA 180 180 180 540 24
Henry Spence USA 180 180 96 456 25
F1G
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 TotalPlace
John Clapp USA 120 120 120 120 120 300 249 1149 1
Rich Rohrke USA 120 120 120 120 120 300 216 1116 2
Bill Booth USA 120 120 120 120 120 300 210 1110 3
Walt Ghio USA 120 120 120 120 120 300 208 1108 4
Peter Brocks USA 120 120 120 120 120 155 755 5
Elmer Nelson USA 120 120 120 109 105 599 6
Tiffany O'Dell USA 119 120 120 120 120 599 6
Paul Crowley USA 120 120 120 117 120 597 8
Greg Simon USA 97 120 120 120 120 577 9
Jack Emery USA 120 108 93 120 120 561 10
Bob Van Nest USA 84 120 114 120 120 558 11
Dave Edmonson USA 93 120 120 120 0 453 12
Evan Simon(Junio USA 58 41 120 120 0 339 13
F1H
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 TotalPlace
Brian Van Nest USA 120 120 120 120 120 300 266 1166 1
Vasily Beschansy UKR 120 120 120 120 120 300 244 1144 2
Pierre Brun USA 120 120 120 120 120 300 185 1085 3
Mike McKeever USA 120 120 120 120 120 192 792 4
Jim Parker USA 120 120 120 120 120 117 717 5
Gary Madelin GBR 120 120 120 120 120 112 712 6
Dave Edmonson USA 120 120 116 120 120 596 7
Norm Smith USA 120 120 100 120 120 580 8
John Cooper GBR 120 120 120 120 99 579 9
Ben Coussens USA 120 120 92 120 120 572 10
Mike Szura USA 108 105 120 120 105 558 11
Peter Allnut CAN 120 120 64 70 120 494 12
Bob Norton USA 47 52 96 120 120 435 13
Fred Terzian USA 114 96 120 32 362 14
F1J
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 TotalPlace
Steve Spence USA 120 120 120 120 120 300 900 1
Bucky Servaites USA 120 120 120 120 120 256 856 2
Guy Mennano USA 120 120 120 120 120 238 838 3
Lynn Pulley USA 120 120 120 120 120 234 834 4
Randy Archer USA 120 120 120 120 120 229 829 5
Dave Johannes USA 120 120 120 120 120 225 825 6
Norm Poti USA 120 120 120 120 120 224 824 7
Bob Gutai USA 120 120 120 120 120 209 809 8
Shirley, Dave USA 120 120 120 120 120 205 805 9
Ken Oliver USA 120 120 120 120 120 202 802 10
Terry Kerger USA 120 120 120 120 120 193 793 11
Mike Roberts USA 120 120 120 120 120 188 788 12
Jim Haught USA 120 120 120 120 120 181 781 13
Dave Parsons USA 120 120 120 120 120 91 691 14
John Warren USA 120 120 120 120 120 12 612 15
Peter Sahlberg USA 120 120 120 120 105 585 16
Ray Sahlberg USA 102 120 90 120 120 552 17
Ed Carroll USA 120 120 120 120 80 520 18
Henry Spence USA 115 115 19
F1P
NAME COUNTRY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 FO1 FO2 TotalPlace
Cody Secor(Junio USA 180 180 180 180 128 180 180 1208 1
Dave Parsons USA 23 23 2
31st. CALIFORNIA FAI INVITATIONAL
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October 8th. And 9th. 2005
F1-A1J
1 SERVAITES, B. 180 120 120 120 120 300 507 1467
2 ARCHER, R 180 120 120 120 120 300 500 1460
3 MENANO, G 180 120 120 120 120 300 465 1425
4 JOHANNES, D 180 120 120 120 120 300 405 1365
5 WARREN, J 180 120 120 120 120 300 355 1315
6 KERGER, T 180 120 120 120 120 300 339 1299
7 CARROLL, E 180 120 120 120 120 300 286 1246
8 GUTAI, B. 180 120 120 120 120 300 245 1205
9 POTI, N 180 120 120 120 120 300 DNF 960
10 OLIVER, K. 180 120 120 120 120 123 783
2005 Nats Video DVD is now Available
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Fellow Free Flighters,
The 2005 edition of the F/F Nats is now available on DVD. The VHS tape
version will be available shortly.
This 2005 Free Flight Nats documentary is the one free flight video you'll
want to own more that any other. The 2005 contest brings back, after 25
years, the ROW (rise off water) event. Watch free flight models take off
from the world's smallest pond. 2005 also brings back "Fast Richard" Mathis.
Jim Bocckinfuso's 15 minute interview with this free flight legend is must
see TV for every model builder! Also interviews with various modelers, the
Dawn Unlimited event and non-stop flying action makes this a video not to be
missed!
To order your copy got to:
http://www.homegrowntv.com/catalog.html
I'll let everyone know when the VHS is available.
Regards,
Alan Abriss
Http://www.homegrowntv.com
Free Flight Videos now has secure internet credit card facilities.
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Anti-grav
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Will you please report on the next generation of the anti-gravity machine
next April 1?
Jim O'Reilly
www.jimoreillymodelplans.com
VOL LIBRE 165
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Our new issue VOL LIBRE 165 has appeared this day .
Subscrption Euro 35 or $ 40 for 6 issues .
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Website for Luddite T-shirts - Mekina
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Roger,
I noticed an inquiry in the SCAT/EN as to the source for Luddite
T-shirts.
Please post the following information for your readers as I still have
plenty of the Luddite T-shirts for sale.
They are $10 each for sizes S,M,L and XL and $12 for XXL plus a modest
fee for postage.
These are nice high quality, 100% cotton T-shirts in hot yellow and hot
green colors. They have a large Luddite logo silk-screened on the front
of them. They are really nice shirts and they have no problem
withstanding many washings.
I have created the following website to sell them:
http://www.teamluddite.com
Stick and Tissue Forever!
thanks, Joe Mekina
Source for Luddite T-shirts
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Re Gene Smith's request, Oct. 18 SEN:
The source is Joe Mekina (This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.). I recently received a
couple of those from him.
Mike Keville
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Wing Builder
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Hi Roger
Tell Tapio that Vasi Beschazny can build F1B wing for him
that are top quality, light and strong. He has built them for me.
Vasi may want a quantity purchase though.
The inertialess fighter is a complete hoax, of course. Old
Albert would be turning ovewr in his grave if that were real.
Have you thought about interfacing a compass module with
your timer? There may be an issue about compass tilt. It can
probably be addressed. F1E needs an infusion of electronics.
Tactical flying on a real slope is a lot more tricky than people
think.
Thermals and standing waves
Tom
[Tom
I have thought about an F1E timer with compass, gyro or GPS,
as you know Ken Bauer did that and he came very
close to making the team. maybe that's after F1Q ?
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Pete Found
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> Looking for Pete Williams
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Email distro
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We had got behind in updating all the e-mail addresses for those
who get SEN by e-mail.
We think we have done it . So if you did not
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Roger Morrell
