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SCAT Electronic news 22 August 2004 issue 897
Table of contents
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Motorcycle Safety - Brokenspar
Lots of model stuff. - Gutai
More sympo notes
Thanks for the support. - Schelp
Looking for some May 99 Tan II - Goldstein
Re: Cutting of Production Wing ribs - Pudney
Team Selection Finals Notice - Bradley
RE: Ritz Continental - Kargol
Jerry Ritz - Lorbiecki
Junior World Champs - Results Summary
Motorcycle Safety
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The motorcycles we use, being 'off-highway vehicles'
do not have rear view mirrors.
When we are on a street or highway, we are likely
to be passed by an automobile or truck.
The example for is, for many of us, the interior roads
at Muncie, and roads outside the Muncie property,
- the road to Reece airport, - Memorial Drive, - or any
of those roads while chasing a 7 minute fly-off flight..
For Lost Hills, it is the highway, to and from the Bike Storage
units at the Holloway Plant.
Even the roads on site at Lost Hills.
On your bike, chasing - with your eyes in the sky, or even on the
way to the Porta John, you have no idea what's behind you,
You can't see it. You can't hear it either !
The guy that's passing you thinks you see or hear him.
He doesn't honk his horn...
He's going at least 20 miles per hour at Muncie.
Probably at least 60 on Holloway Highway.
He will pass you without slowing..
So, while on your bike, look before you turn.
Keep track of what's behind you as you ride anywhere..
If you're passing a biker with your car, give him a honk.
Make sure, by his signal or body english,
that he knows you're there.
With all this in mind, last time I was at Muncie,
I took a ride over to Reese Airport to see about
getting a flight to spot my model in the beans,.
I thought, I'll ride in the middle of the road so
that anyone wanting to pass would have to honk.
This is a very narrow black top road.
a shoulder about 2 ft wide, a ditch, then corn.
I'm going a good speed, straight ahead.
,,,,trying to keep my hat on...
Out of the corner of my eye ( as they say ) I see
a fender - wheel - rusty hood....
This horses ass is going to pass me !
Sure enough, with one wheel on that 2 ft shoulder,
he grinds by.
I see his face, the MF's got a little mustache !
You almost lost Brokenspar.
Get rear view mirrors for your motorcycle !
Lots of model stuff.
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Roger,
Would you please post the following?
Sue Keck has asked me to assist her and her son Fred in liquidating
Ed's rather large inventory of models, engines and equipment.
I will be stopping at the Keck home on Labor Day, on the way home from
the Canada Cup. If anyone who knows of something of Ed's that they would
like to have please e-mail me about it. I will make a list and find what
I can. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. Eventually we will get an inventory
made, but due to the distances involved, time constraints, and the
amount of things there, it will take a while. Many of the items are
still in the packing boxes from their move to new quarters.
Thank you, Bob Gutai
More sympo notes
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Latest Sympo. This may interest SEN readers. Response to Hermie's letter
at the end of this letter. Of course it IS maybe too long.
Ed Mate
I was hoping I would hear from you Hermie. Actually the tips came
about when I wanted to break away from The Denny Davis, Ray Mathews, Lew
Mahiew and Claude McCullough influences and strike out on my own. Claude
mostly since at the time I was very much under his influence because of
winning the Nats with his "Brigand" in Minnesota in 1947. Also I was
about to go into Architecture at U of I Navy Pier in 1949 and become the
next Frank Lloyd Wright. I just had to break away and be on my own. So
prodding around I got to Hoerner and bingo I could do that and be Buck
Rogers with a little twist. There it was eureka, "Meteor tips"! I had
already previously decided the ship would be called the "Meteor". It was
very original I thought at the time. I did not know about the Glouster
Meteor or probably it would have been something else.
Funny you should mention Saarinen who was next after Wright in my
admiration because in 1970 I did design a building for THE McCormick
family that was to be the new Roanoke building in Chicago at Madison and
LaSalle. The building was influenced by the "meteor tips". I did it at
home over the weekend. It was very evident when you looked at the
rendering and the balsa modelof the building. It was 30 stories. Ed
McCormick the Colonels grandson who was over 70 was the spokesman for
the family. I was Chief of Design for A. Epstien and Sons at the time.
Ed M saw it and said it was way too radical. He had been involved with
some sterile Mies Vanderoe stuff and wanted to see something more
simple. Sid Epstien was with me and said , "Sure Ed no problem".
I came up with 4 simpler (bland) solutions for the building. A week
later we were going back to McCormick's office. I asked Sid if I should
take the original design. He said not to bother with it. I took it
anyway. Lucky I did. After my presentation of the new ones, McCormick
said he could not get the original out of his mind. In fact he had
dreamed about it. So I pulled it out and we Discussed it. He asked what
it would cost to build. Sid wrung his hands and told him that to really
know it would take a very expensive set of
"scope drawings". Ed M said do it. It cost him over a hundred grand.
Later our V.P. of Architecture said Ed Mate designed it and sold it.
But it was not to be. The billionaire family and its money was in
England. They decided it was a bad time to convert their pounds to our
dollars. That was the end of it. In consolation I have the original
scope drawings that we threw in the garbage. They thought. Know anyone
with about 60 million that wants to build it? It should take about a
million or so to get the drawings in Chicago permit shape. I never told
this to anyone. Just had to get it off my chest. By the way 10 years
later I had a similar exercise with another company and project. A 40
story building for THE Kennedy's. It was externally simpler but
internally MUCH more complicated. The lower floors looked out UNDER the
Chicago River. "HOW BOUT THAT" as Pete Sotich would say. Not to be. They
ran Teddy for President with the money for my building.
Hey I just came from an IMAC meeting. We are assembling a photo
history of the IMAC's. We have a good start. We have from 1911 to about
1947 so far. If you and Del have early pics of yourselves or anyone else
we will get them in. Let me know. Sept 24th hmmmmm let me see. IMAC
meeting 10th, Aeronuts 17, SAM Champs I go to 11-18, that's all I know
of right now. Will check some more. Still have engine collection. Still
Scheman, my business. Just got back from the Nats at Muncie. Did nothing
much winning wise. Had a good time tho. Thanks for your kind words in
Sympo. I am trying to write for 2005 Sympo.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: hermann andresen
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Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:56 PM
Subject: Mate Hooks
Ed,
Thanks for the kind words in SEN. Didn't think anyone ever read
that stuff.
Had wanted to get your permission as well as additional info pix &
cartoons
re your advanced tips. Got way behind schedule & only Walt's
generousity
allowed any article at all.
Never did figure out how you came up with them in the first place.
Any influence from Hoerner, Saarinen or Piccaso?
Whatcha up to now?
Still scheman?
Still have the engine collection?
Plan to be in Arlington Hts Sept 24 for 50th Taft HS reunion. Doubt
if I
can make Aeronut mtg or Racine Indoor. Anything else happening in
that
timeframe?
Thanks again,
H
Thanks for the support.
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My trip to France was and absolute blast. Doing well in the competition
made it that much sweeter, but if I didn't have the support of the free
flight community the trip would not have been possible. I want to thank
all of those people that made donations toward the team and would
especially like to thank Faust Parker and CC Johnson for their generous
donation of models. Thanks again and I hope to see everyone soon on a
contest field.
Sincerely,
Jon Schelp
Looking for some May 99 Tan II
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I am trying to locate some May 99 Tan II rubber for use by the USA Jr
F1D team. I am offering $150/lb for up to two pounds of either 1/8" or
1/4" strip. Anyone interested in exchanging their rubber for $$ and
knowing that the rubber will be wisely used and well appreciated please
contact me at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Tim
[Denver, CO]
Indoor balsa wood & supplies
www.F1D.biz
Indoor flying info & Indoor News and Views
www.IndoorDuration.com/INAV
Re: Cutting of Production Wing ribs
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A couple of years ago I got two sets of F1B wing ribs cut by Balsa
Machining Services. They provided a really fast service, all wood was of
good quality. At the time they used TurboCad as a CAD package.
http://www.balsamachining.com/
I would certainly use them again.
Thermals
Bill Pudney
Team Selection Finals Notice
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August 23rd is last day to pay you entry fee to AMA for the 2005 Free Flight
Team Selection Finals if you have qualified and intend to fly in the Finals.
At this late date I suggest that you contact Lisa Johnson at AMA and pay with
a credit card. All entries received by mail that are postmarked after August
23rd will be disallowed.
Jim Bradley, FFTSC Cochairman
RE: Ritz Continental
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I remember flying with Jerry back in the 70's. His skill building
probably came from the fact that he owned a wood working factory. I was
just a kid then, but his models always looked outstanding. For that
time he was ahead of the times.
Denny
Jerry Ritz
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All this talk of Jerry brought back memories. Jerry was from Chicago and would
fly at Bong. I remember, as a kid flying some of my own design TLGs, watching
him fly. Then, one time, he asked me to launch and help him chase (I was, back
then, a lean mean, chasing machine!). We launched his model, he towed, released,
and then we jumped into his bright red Cadillac (I think) convertible, white
interior, top down chase car and went bounding down the gravel runways.
Always thought that his design was very specific in what conditions it could be
flown in, with the long center sections and small tips. But, as stated, it is
a classic.....
John
Junior World Champs - Results Summary
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Power - F1J/P
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1 John Lorbiecki USA 1260 + 420
2 Austin Gunder W/C 1260 + 408
3 Jonathan Schelp USA 1260 + 284
4 Cody Secor USA 180 180 180 180 179 180 180 1259
5 Lukasz Zagorowski POL 180 180 180 180 116 180 180 1196
5 Mykola Ploskikh UKR 180 180 116 180 180 180 180 1196
7 Alexandr Korovine RUS 180 174 167 157 132 180 180 1170
8 Pavel Tamazine RUS 180 180 177 162 180 92 180 1151
9 Michael Sondhauss GER 180 180 180 25 180 180 180 1105
10 Alexandr Nazarov RUS 180 180 180 44 180 180 138 1082
11 Robert Sawka POL 143 180 160 109 99 180 180 1051
12 Andriy Ignatenko UKR 129 180 0 180 180 180 180 1029
13 Johannes Seren GER 114 127 113 180 128 180 180 1022
14 Mykhaylo Makhnytskyy UKR 180 156 180 101 96 180 127 1020
15 Dominik Pelka POL 180 180 180 85 51 163 138 977
16 Stanislav Samus UKR 180 180 53 180 65 100 180 938
17 Amanda Barr USA 180 180 124 116 65 42 146 853
18 Christian Fux GER 49 46 8 49 3 118 142 415
19 Michal Saluga POL 180 35 26 63 13 31 7 355
20 Vladimir Fedotov RUS 0 64 0 0 0 0 0 64
Number of maximums 15 14 9 9 8 13 13
Number of full scores 15 12 8 5 3 3 3
Team Results
Country Abbreviation Total Team member places
1 USA USA 3779 1 3 4
2 Russia RUS 3403 7 8 10
3 Ukraine UKR 3245 5 12 14
4 Poland POL 3224 5 11 15
5 Germany GER 2542 9 13 18
F1B
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1 Alexei Burdov W/C 1260 + 301
2 Rejwan Shauli Avrahm ISR 1260 + 278
3 Yevheiy Gorban UKR 1260 + 210
4 Benjamin Marquois FRA 1260 + 183
5 Stephen Jallet FRA 1260 + 182
6 Mykhaylo Makhnytskyy UKR 1260 + 165
7 Laurynas Gircys LTU 1260 + 118
8 Artur Aprodov UKR 180 180 177 180 180 180 180 1257
9 Daniel Billam GBR 180 180 180 180 180 166 178 1244
10 Noon Ofer Ben ISR 180 180 180 162 180 180 180 1242
11 Philip Scheiman USA 180 180 160 180 180 180 180 1240
12 Kacper Osyda POL 180 180 180 180 180 180 155 1235
13 Alexandr Trokhimik RUS 180 180 180 180 180 141 180 1221
14 Thomas Seren GER 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 1200
14 Zbysek Nemec CZE 125 180 180 175 180 180 180 1200
16 Sergey Smirnov RUS 180 141 180 180 180 180 156 1197
17 Aleksey Antonchik BLR 180 169 180 176 180 180 130 1195
18 Marius Bliujus LTU 165 129 180 180 180 180 180 1194
19 Gennadiy Pavlov RUS 180 180 174 109 180 180 180 1183
20 Adrian Pakoca POL 180 180 180 179 180 120 140 1159
21 Christian Fux GER 180 180 180 165 180 125 135 1145
22 Oded Fischler ISR 180 180 180 137 180 132 143 1132
23 Taylor Gunder USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 24 1104
24 Sebastian Buchwald GER 161 158 180 89 180 180 149 1097
25 Rafal Budzon POL 180 180 104 180 91 180 180 1095
26 Sarah Radziunas USA 180 180 180 9 180 180 154 1063
27 Luka Hribar SLO 180 162 180 148 180 180 0 1030
28 Lea Marquois FRA 180 180 180 134 180 7 162 1023
29 Renaldas Seinauskas LTU 180 180 180 160 106 107 30 943
Number of maximums 26 24 25 17 27 22 15
Number of full scores 26 23 19 12 12 10 7
Team Results
Country Abbreviation Total Team member places
1 Ukraine UKR 3777 3 6 8
2 Israel ISR 3634 2 10 22
3 Russia RUS 3601 13 16 19
4 France FRA 3543 4 5 28
5 Poland POL 3489 12 20 25
6 Germany GER 3442 14 21 24
7 USA USA 3407 11 23 26
8 Lithuania LTU 3397 7 18 29
9 Great Britain GBR 1244 9
10 Czech Republic CZE 1200 14
11 Belarus BLR 1195 17
12 Slovenia SLO 1030 27
F1A
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1 Niels Wijnhoven NED 1260 + 267
2 Sergey Protopopov UKR 1260 + 216
3 Teemu Taponen FIN 1260 + 209
4 Anton Gorskiy RUS 1260 + 163
5 Janis Zarins LAT 1260 + 161
6 Assaf Keren ISR 180 180 180 175 180 180 180 1255
7 Balazs Mihaly HUN 180 180 180 180 172 180 180 1252
8 Milan Jinda CZE 180 180 150 180 180 180 180 1230
9 Edgar Bernard FRA 177 174 180 154 180 180 180 1225
10 Max Herwig GER 180 180 180 180 137 180 180 1217
10 Noon Ofer Ben ISR 137 180 180 180 180 180 180 1217
12 Andreyi Naloev RUS 180 180 120 180 180 180 180 1200
13 Stan Spruytenburg NED 180 180 118 180 180 180 180 1198
14 Zsolt Baki HUN 180 116 180 180 180 180 180 1196
15 Marcel Waechtler GER 180 114 180 180 180 180 180 1194
16 Avner Shimony ISR 152 180 180 129 180 180 180 1181
17 Daniel Findahl SWE 180 180 143 180 137 180 180 1180
18 Lauri Kutvonen FIN 180 103 180 180 180 180 164 1167
19 Stephan Radim CZE 83 180 180 180 180 180 180 1163
20 Michael Avallone USA 180 180 158 180 180 180 104 1162
21 Alexey Katine RUS 180 172 146 180 123 180 180 1161
22 Bostjan Bagari SLO 178 180 78 180 180 180 180 1156
23 Csaba Nagy W/C 180 180 180 180 180 180 75 1155
24 David Kamrla CZE 112 167 180 142 180 180 180 1141
25 Istvan Szentpeteri HUN 157 180 180 122 180 135 180 1134
25 Mark Rossen NED 173 160 110 180 151 180 180 1134
27 Tyler Secor USA 155 180 180 180 180 180 78 1133
28 Matthew Cuthbert GBR 180 130 140 140 180 180 180 1130
29 Toms Dreika LAT 180 180 146 177 180 83 180 1126
30 Samuel Cesbron FRA 180 180 180 156 180 67 180 1123
31 Thomas Stalhandske SWE 180 180 171 144 180 85 180 1120
32 Pavel Marakhovskyy UKR 180 125 180 180 180 93 180 1118
33 Gael Thoreau FRA 138 180 180 180 180 180 79 1117
34 Tuomo Kiiskinen FIN 180 77 121 180 180 180 180 1098
35 Oskars Grigals LAT 180 180 151 180 180 122 104 1097
36 Modestas Snukiskis LTU 180 135 180 180 180 50 180 1085
37 Szymon Czerwinski POL 154 175 131 180 89 180 168 1077
38 Alar Mihhailov EST 180 180 180 88 177 180 91 1076
39 Daniela Pavaluc ROM 180 43 118 180 180 180 180 1061
40 Brian Bauer USA 180 90 134 180 180 180 115 1059
41 Gabriela Domokova SVK 180 160 88 159 106 180 180 1053
42 Brindley Taylor GBR 127 180 142 180 62 180 180 1051
43 Mihkel Joala EST 180 120 180 132 180 180 78 1050
44 Krzysztof Tarka POL 167 116 180 180 180 128 95 1046
45 Richard Jack GBR 180 180 163 147 180 9 180 1039
46 Tomas Sedlacek SVK 180 83 180 180 28 180 180 1011
46 Dmytro Levchenko UKR 180 180 99 34 180 180 158 1011
48 Jan Samak SVK 146 145 180 180 111 66 168 996
49 Davis Seren GER 160 111 60 180 180 180 118 989
50 Eldar Ahmetov EST 111 47 140 145 163 180 180 966
51 Tomasz Drozdzinski POL 150 177 42 55 180 29 180 813
52 Jernej Grom SLO 77 111 88 180 65 138 85 744
53 Albin Nilsson SWE 104 180 67 6 13 62 180 612
54 Tadas Matiejunas LTU 180 128 5 0 0 0 0 313
Number of maximums 35 30 28 36 39 40 38
Number of full scores 35 21 11 8 6 6 5
Team Results
Country Abbreviation Total Team member places
1 Israel ISR 3653 6 10 16
2 Russia RUS 3621 4 12 21
3 Netherlands NED 3592 1 13 25
4 Hungary HUN 3582 7 14 25
5 Czech Republic CZE 3534 8 19 24
6 Finland FIN 3525 3 18 34
7 Latvia LAT 3483 5 29 35
8 France FRA 3465 9 30 33
9 Germany GER 3400 10 15 49
10 Ukraine UKR 3389 2 32 46
11 USA USA 3354 20 27 40
12 Great Britain GBR 3220 28 42 45
13 Estonia EST 3092 38 43 50
14 Slovakia SVK 3060 41 46 48
15 Poland POL 2936 37 44 51
16 Sweden SWE 2912 17 31 53
17 Slovenia SLO 1900 22 52
18 Lithuania LTU 1398 36 54
19 Romania ROM 1061 39
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Roger Morrell
