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News and Reports 2003
SCAT Electronic News 22 March 2003 issue 788
Table of Contents
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SCAT Annual Results - Coussens
IMAC News - Mate
Foam saw
FAI events at the san valeer annual on April 12 & 13 - Thorkildsen
Rubber queries - Harte
Lost Hills F A I challenge of start time !!!!!!!!!!!!! next week - Brun
Looking for Mini Seelig - Archer
Indoor Flying Models - Cusick
muncie air fare - Brun
Flyoff Solicitation from Schroedter - Bogie
"new" winding - Bennett
Eastern FF Champs date Correction - Wagner
Re: Indoor Info - H
Lithium Ion Batteries - Ergunner
Wind up or wind out
Re: SCAT 787 - Kaynes
Mini Events Flyoff in Thermals - Carroil
Argentina
2003 SCAT ANNUAL SCORES
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National Records to Brian Bauer in F1A Junior
and Stan Buddenbohm in cat Glider
F1A
Contestant R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 FO1 FO2 FO3 TOTAL Tie-Breaker
1 MOSKOVICH (ISR) 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 295 2335 60
2 BARRON 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 248 2288 60
3 MC KEEVER 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 232 2272 60
4 ALLNUTT 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 228 2268 60
5 D PARKER (JR) 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 218 2258 60
6 COWLEY 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 210 2250 60
7 HERNANDEZ 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 209 2249 60
8 BRUN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 200 2240 60
9 B BAUER (JR) 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 420 178 2218 60
10 DIEZ 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 145 1765 60
11 HINES 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 7
12 VAN NEST 180 144 180 180 180 180 180 1224
13 SECOR (JR) 180 180 180 180 130 180 180 1210
14 BUSNELLI 180 180 54 180 180 180 180 1134
15 J PARKER 124 105 180 180 180 180 180 1129
16 K BAUER 142 180 180 140 105 180 180 1107
17 DAVIS 180 180 180 18 180 180 180 1098
18 BROCKS 180 86 180 180 89 102 180 997
19 SMITH 128 135 0 108 180 180 25 756
20 ZINK 180 180 79 439
21 B COUSSENS (JR) 180 135 315
F1B
Contestant R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 FO1 TOTAL Tie-Breaker
1 ROHRKE 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1380 120
2 JENSEN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 85
3 SCHEIMAN (JR) 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 77
4 NORVALL 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 57
5 MORRELL 180 180 160 180 180 180 180 1240
6 PISERCHIO 180 180 180 180 175 180 144 1219
7 FITCH 180 180 173 180 180 180 145 1218
8 VAN NEST 180 180 180 180 131 180 180 1211
9 G SCHROEDTER 154 180 146 180 180 180 180 1200
10 MULLIGAN 180 164 180 180 180 180 132 1196
11 PRATT 180 143 175 140 180 180 180 1178
12 M SCHROEDTER 88 134 170 180 180 180 180 1112
13 DORSETT 162 117 153 180 180 180 112 1084
14 BOOTH 180 141 180 180 180 861
15 LUEKEN 180 180 180 142 682
16 ULM 150 180 140 180 650
17 TYMCHEK 180 179 359
18 WOOD 154 154
F1C
Contestant R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 FO1 FO2 TOTAL Tie-Breaker
1 MENANNO 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1380 120
2 HAPPERSETT 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 106
3 ROBERTS 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 90
4 WARREN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 84
5 KERGER 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 44
6 GEWAIN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 36
7 ARCHER 180 180 180 180 171 180 180 1251
8 SHIRLEY 180 180 78 180 180 180 173 1151
9 JOYCE 180 180 180 180 118 118 180 1136
10 CHESSON 0 0 180 180 180 180 180 900
11 OLIVER 180 180 180 180 152 872
12 CARROLL 180 180 180 540
F1G
Contestant R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 TOTAL
1 BROCKS 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 360 1680
2 TYMCHEK 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 337 1657
3 WOOD 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 214 1534
4 BOOTH 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 65 1385
5 SCHEIMAN (JR) 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 205 1225
6 NORVALL 120 120 120 120 120 180 153 933
7 GANNON 120 120 120 120 117 597
8 HERBST 120 109 120 120 120 589
9 COLE 120 120 102 120 120 582
10 EMERY 120 100 120 120 120 580
11 MULLIGAN 120 120 120 97 120 577
12 M SCHROEDTER 120 120 120 120 94 574
13 MORRELL 117 120 88 120 120 565
14 PRATT 120 96 87 120 96 519
15 G SCHROEDTER 120 120 110 93 - 443
16 LUEKEN 120 99 120 - - 339
17 DORSETT 53 - - - - 53
F1H
Contestant R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 TOTAL
1 D PARKER 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 300 1620
2 VAN NEST 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 269 1589
3 MC KEEVER 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 252 1572
4 BUSNELLI 120 120 120 120 120 180 95 875
5 NORTON 120 120 120 120 120 - 600
6 SMITH 69 120 120 120 120 549
7 DAVIS 120 54 120 120 120 534
8 COWLEY 77 120 120 95 120 532
F1J
Contestant R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 FO1 FO2 FO3 FO4 FO5 TOTAL
1 WARREN 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 360 419 2099
2 CARROLL 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 360 276 1956
3 ROBERTS 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 300 358 1678
4 MENANNO 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 279 1299
5 SHIRLEY 120 120 120 120 120 180 240 140 1160
6 PULLEY 120 120 120 120 120 180 154 934
7 D KUSIK (JR) 120 93 120 120 101 554
8 WOOD 103 120 65 120 120 528
Catapult Glider
Contestant Att 1Att 2Att 3Att 4Att 5Att 6 FO FO FO FO FO FO FO TOTAL
1 BUDDENBOHM 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 72 1512
2 BATIUK 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 71 911
3 HINES 120 120 52 31 39 120 114 474
4 SMITH 102 94 25 2 120 31 316
5 HERBST 35 35 37 120 120 37 277
6 PETERSON 21 120 5 28 120 25 268
7 D KUSIK (JR) 89 10 71 104 73 21 266
8 K KUSIK (JR) 20 24 17 16 22 30 76
Hand-Launch Glider
Contestant Att 1Att 2Att 3Att 4Att 5Att 6 TOTAL
1 Batiuk 120 59 52 120 120 120 76 556
2 D. Parker (Jr) 32 120 43 115 86 35 321
3 Smith 54 34 120 32 29 120 294
4 Herbst 114 52 68 91 20 61 273
5 Hines 72 94 41 72 71 75 241
6 Buddenbohm 36 37 56 88 31 36 181
7 D Kusik (Jr) 33 22 64 55 16 40 159
8 Peterson 12 14 60 36 31 36 132
9 K Kusik (Jr) 10 21 10 21 18 35 77
Junior Combined High Time
F1A F1B F1G F1H F1J CAT HLG TOTAL
1 Dallas Parker 2258 1620 321 4199
2 Phil Scheiman 1380 1534 2914
3 Brian Bauer 1765 1765
4 Tyler Secor 1134 1134
5 De Angelo Kusik 554 266 77 897
6 Ben Coussens 315
7 Kevin Kusik 76 159 235
IMAC News
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FLASH!-IMAC Annual Banquet and Elections. IMAC'S since 1911. I once again
succumbed to the call for President. The Banquet is next Sunday the 28th
and is as usual in conjunction with the Aeronuts. It will be noteworthy
because the only two surviving original members of the club will be together
again. Don Lockwood and Carl Carlson who is still a member and is coming from
California. He is also current member of the Black Sheep Model Club out
there. Don is a member here and our mentor.
A couple of noteworthy facts here are that Don had a photo of he and Carl
working together in the Manny Laird Factory on the Laird Super Solution
for Jimmy Dolittle to fly in the National Air Races in the Cleveland Air
Races. He was ahead late in the race when he caught fire and was nearly killed
landing it.
The other is that Carl Goldberg started the Aeronuts when he was thrown out
of the IMAC'S for using the hobby to make money. This was a big taboo
in the IMAC'S then. Also other facts of note that the IMAC'S was formed as a
modeling arm of the already notorious ILLINOIS AERO CLUB. Don showed
me a couple of IAC membership cards signed by the members, Victor Lougheed,
founder of Lockheed and a guy by the name of Boing also founder with his
brothers of that company. Interesting that aviation historical movies
do not mention the significant connection between these guys and the IAC.
Now I will shut up. Ed Mate
Foam saw
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I would like to have any information on how to build a foam saw.
My name is Delmer Lee
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Snail mail -- 2619 NW Firwood Ln, Forest Grove, OR 97116
Thanks
FAI events at the san valeer annual on April 12 & 13
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Hi Roger,
I just wanted the guys to know that we will have a
full slate of FAI events including
F1A,F1B,F1C,F1J,F1H, & F1G at our San Valeer Annual
contest on April the 12 &13 at lost hills plus the
usual AMA and nostalgia events.
I hope everyone can come out and have a good time.
Maybe you can post the flyer or have them contact my
email address and I will send them one.
Thermals,
Terry Thorkildsen
Rubber queries
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Dear Mr. Morrell,
Recently I have started to fly some F1B.
I have been using some old Tan 2 rubber and have been making up 26
strand motors which work really well in my model. Soon I am going to
use some other Tan 2 that I think is from March 2002. Anyway this new
rubber is thinner than the old rubber by around .005".
Have you ever used this thinner rubber? If you have used it did you
make up your motors with more strands? I don't want to have to adjust
my model too much to use this rubber.
I would be very grateful if you or anyone else could assist me with
this.
With thanks,
Tim Harte.
[Tim
The best way around this is to make the motors up by length rather than
by number of strands. The thickness and width of the rubber can vary
so as a starting point when you get a new batch make the motors up to the
same length you did with the old rubber.
]
L H F A I chalenge
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To make it easier to you fliers have dissuaded to change the starting
time of the contest
to 10 AM on saturday morning. No other change
hoping that you all get that message in time, wee will Se you on the
field.
pierre
Looking for Mini Seelig
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Hi Roger
Can you please list a wanted add for me?
Can any body out there please help with two mini seelig combo's?? Prefer the
old fan type,and new if possible,but good used will work. Thank you
Randy Archer This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Indoor Flying Models
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In SEN 787 for March 17, Chuck O'Neil wrote,"...Please inform me of
where I might purchase this publication if it is still in existence. BTW
the author was Lew Gitlow".
The book, Indoor Flying Models is still in print. You can reach Lew
Gitlow at: Indoor Model Supply, Box 2020, Florence, OR 97439.
phone number is: (541) 902-8508. I think it still sells for $22.00.
Craig Cusick
muncie air fare
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Roger
Please sent this info.
Southwest airline
LAX to INDIANAPOLIS direct $89 00 one way.
very good
pierre
Flyoff Solicitation from Schroedter
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Here is a flyoff system that works regardless of the air temperature, speed,
or thermal activity. It can be flown any time of the day. One flight only.
Flyers have a ten minute to launch period. The max is 180 for senior classes
and 120 for junior classes. Time starts at launch and stops when the model
lands of its own accord, either gliding or DT. The person with a score
closest to the max is the winner. Second and third places are also determined
by the same method.
Bill Bogart
"new" winding
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In a message dated 3/17/03 5:29:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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<< I would like to propose to your attention an revolutionary modern method
of winding the rubber engine OUTSIDE of model.
The rubber engine winding separately from model, then by means of a
special rod it is inserted into model. >>
This "revolutionary method" has been commonly practiced with indoor models
for many years, both stick (not requiring special rod) and cabin (requiring
special rod.) However, F1D flyers in UK are currently installing a "blast
plate" to (try to) protect motor stick from blown motor from the time of
hookup to time just before launch. They believe this is the most
unpredictable and dangerous time (good batches of) Tan II will blow. For
outdoor, use of traditional blast tube already takes care of half this period
(up to prop hookup) but the "new method" would do nothing for the second
risky part (hookup to launch) until someone figures out an (outdoor) blast
tube that is removable after prop hookup.
Mark Bennett
Sacramento
Eastern FF Champs date Correction
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Roger just a quick note, a few guys have mentioned they saw the wrong dates
for our meet this coming spring. The EFFC will be on sat may 3rd and sun May
4th. If anyone needs a flyer or info please call me at 410-778-3933. I have
sent over 300 flyers out hopefully most questions will be answered by those.
Thanks Joe W
Re: Indoor Info
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Tim Goldstein has a great indoor site:
http://indoorduration.com
which not only has a link to Lew Gitlow's site (www.IndoorModelSupply.com)
where the book is still listed, but to a number of other sites + articles
from INAV, etc, etc. Good place to start.
Good luck,
H
Lithium Ion Batteries
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Dear Roger:
I want to use 2 145mah Lithium Polymer batteries to power my Blackmagic =
Timers. The total output of the batteries is 7.4volts. Can I use the =
simple power regulator described on:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/digital-electronics4.htm
or is it unnecessary?
Thanks,
Omer Erguner
[Omer
They can work with out a regulator - the timer has a regulator
however the risk is to the servos. Some
people have flown with them with no regulator.
I think a regulator that drops it to 6 volts would be
good. The Voltage at full charge of these batteries is over 4
volts each, so a total of 8 volts]
Wind up or wind out
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A New Way of Winding?
Winding the rubber motor outside the fuselage was used by Joe Erhardt back
in1930, when he won the Wakefield Cup.
Cheers,
John
Re: SCAT 787
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Roger
1. Pleased to see that Mike has sent you the immediate info from the CIAM
meeting - it was good to have Mike attend the meeting.
2. Stepan Stefanchuk's approach to winding motors outside the model might be
"revolutionary" compared to common practice, but this was one of the
attrributes of the Croydon loading tube system described by John Mabey in
the November 1970 Free Flight News and used by Croydon flyers during the
next 2 decades. It was normally used as a loading and winding tube system
but one of the options was winding outside the model. Ocassionally I did
this while waiting for lift with a wound motor and wanting to fly one
specific model. Wind a new motor while the first motor was still in the
model ready to launch if required. Then unload the tired wound motor from
the model and load the freshly wound new one and be ready to wait for lift
again within a minute.
Ian Kaynes
Mini Events Flyoff in Thermals
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The flyoffs went well and were decided in due course in thermals.
Don't change anything. I am not if favor of a long first round.
Ed Carroll
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Argentina
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I will have to make a serious effort to get there!
Michael J Woodhouse, Norwich, UK.
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on 17/3/03 14:34, SCAT user at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. wrote:
> The 2005 World Champs will be in Argentina at probably the same site as the
> previous Champs were held,near Cordoba. Fine presenttation from Daniel Iele.
...................
Roger Morrell
