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News and Reports 2003
SCAT Electronic News 28 August 2003 issue 823
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29th, California F.A.I. Invitational
Free Flight at Floyd Bennet Field, New York - Bogie + NY Times
catapult glider .... - Kev
albany - Shirley
2003 Tangent Classic - Roberts
New Electronic F1B Model from W-Hobby
Tiny Timers - Woodhouse
T'aint fair - Bennett
I would like to ask you
hlg timers - Kev
Regression plans - Moseley
Plan for it - O'Reilly
Sirtrack - Boutillier
29th, California F.A.I. Invitational
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29th, California F.A.I. Invitational
OCTOBER 11th. And 12th. 2003
FOR CLASSES: F1-A, F1-B, F1-C, F1-G, F1-H, F1-J
SATURDAY OCT. 11TH. F1-A, F1-B and F1-C
SUNDAY OCT. 12th. F1-G, F1-H and F1-J
F1-A, Saturday October 11th. 2003 ** First flight 240 Seconds
F1-B & F1-C, Saturday, October 11th. 2003 ** First Flight 300 Seconds
-7- One hour rounds commencing at 08:00 hours
Fly-Offs will start at 4:30PM "FIRM" as scheduled
Saturday: F1-A = 4:30 to 4:40 ** F1-B = 4:45 to 4:55 ** 5:00 to 5:10
5:15 to 5:25 ** 5:30 to 5:40 ** 5:45 to 5:55
6:00 to 6:10 ** 6:15 to 6:25 ** 6:30 to 6:40
F1-G, F1-H & F1-J Sunday October 12th. 2003
-5- One hour rounds commencing at 08:00 AM
Fly-Offs will start shortly after the 5th. Round
With the 4, 6, 8, 10 ,etc. minutes increments
Due to no timekeepers available, timers will not be provided,
Please find someone to fly and time with you at your pole position.
AWARDS
Perpetual Trophies to winners
Crystal Glasware 1st. through 3rd. place for F1-A/B/C
1st. through 3rd. place for F1-G/H/J
NOTE: AS PER AMA DIRECTIVE, 'ALL' COMPETITORS
MUST HAVE AMA INSURANCE
ENTRY FEE - US$ 20.00 FOR F1-A, F1-B & F1-C
$10.00 FOR F1-G, F1-H & F1-J
(JUNIORS 1/2 PRIZE)
Contest Directors: - Juan A. Livotto 13212 Lake St. LA, CA, 90066, USA
Phone: 310-391-5986…..e-mail: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Year 2002 WINNERS
F1-A: M. COWLEY
F1-B: B. PISERCHIO
F1-C: E. VERBITSKY
F1-G: J. EMERY
F1-H: V. STAMOV
F1-J: E. CARROLL
Free Flight at Floyd Bennet Field, New York
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There is a nice piece in the New York Times, August 28 issue page A25, about
Bob Bender flying in Hanger B. He is an old timer flying scale models. He
has been doing this for the last 70 years. Excellent photography.
Have a look.
Bill Bogart
catapult glider ....
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Gentlemen.
After now seeing the hlg thing that has appeared in the NFFS 2003 symposium,
I have been talking with the current editor of the 2004 edition and am
hoping to meet up with him at the Stonehenge FAI event next month. Anyway,
I want to continue on with where I left off with the article on hlgs and
this time, do something on clgs and get these more into the limelight and
get more people flying them.
As last year around this time, I asked people what they would like to see in
a article - this year I ask the same again. If you were to start thinking
about flying clgs for fun and for comp - what would inspire you if it was
written down and what would you want to read about in it?
Photos, models, building one etc - you name it - I am looking for feedback
please so I can approach the ed next month with a heap of ideas. Yours
would be appreciated to me.
I thank you all once again for everything last year and hope to hear from
you again in respect of catapult gliders.
Kevin
albany
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just returned from Albany Oregon. and had a great time. since I hadn't
been there before I wasn't sure what the flying site would be like. let
me say that I thought it is a great site! the main field is large and
the surrounding fields are even larger.
thanks should go to mike Roberts and Ron mcburnett for putting on the
contest. great job guys. sorry we took so many trophies back to
Sacramento. you'll just have to come down to Sacramento in October to
get some of them back.
dave shirley
2003 Tangent Classic
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A record group of flyers attended this years Tangent Classic FAI Meet just
outside Albany Oregon. Weather on Friday for F1 ABC was changeable through the
day with drift to the northeast at the start, finishing the fly offs with drift
to the south east with the middle of the day all over the place. Most all the
near by fields were accessible on motorcycles so retrieval was not a big
problem. The wind blew steady and reasonably hard on Mini day so the round max
was shortened for round three and beyond to keep the models from going too far
and into farm structures. F1 A was settled in the nine minute fly off with
Mike McKeever taking the win from Dan Protherow thus also taking home the Wayne
Drake perpetual trophy for high time F1 A. The fly off in F1 B was between
local boy, Derek McGuckin and some guy from California who didn't look like a
beginner, Walt Ghio. Walt took a well deserved win in F1 B. The final F1 C
fly off was between Ron McBurnett, Roger Simpson and Mike Roberts. Roger
showed the way with a beautiful flight....obviously he has done this before as
well.
The mini fly off took place at 7am Sunday morning in calm, cool conditions.
Local hero, Ralph Cooney, bested Larry Norvall for the Coupe win saving some
semblance of Northwest honor and Mike McKeever maintained his winning ways
taking the F1 H win over Norm Smith. The F1 J winner was Dave Shirley after
Roberts smacked two models (they flew great yesterday) and Dave Parsons never
returned after loosing his model to a tree many miles away after a beautiful
test flight. We sure appreciate all those that travel great distances to fly
with us. Thanks very much.
Results
F1 A
1. Mike McKeever 2339sec
2. Dan Protherow 2129sec
3. Pierre Brun 1472sec
4. Lee Hines 1220sec
5. Norm Smith 1045sec
F1 B
1. Walt Ghio 1559sec
2. Derek McGuckin 1435sec
3. Dick Wood 1251sec
4. Ralph Cooney 1221sec
5. John Pratt 1210sec
6. Jack Emery 1180sec
7. Chuck Dorsett 135sec
8. Larry Norvall 82sec
F1 C
1. Roger Simpson 1965sec
2. Mike Roberts 1822sec
3. Ron McBurnett 1808sec
4. Dave Shirley 1518sec
5. Doug Joyce 1191sec
F1 H
1. Mike McKeever 743sec
2. Norm Smith 691sec
3. Lee Hines 420sec
F1 G
1. Ralph Cooney 731sec
2. Larry Norvall 709sec
3. Jack Emery 491sec
4. John Pratt 203sec
5. Chuck Dorsett 120sec
Mark Sexton 120sec
7. Dick Wood 26sec
F1 J
1. Dave Shirley 416sec
2. Mike Roberts 260sec
3. Dave Parsons DNF
Thanks again Ron & MIke CD's
New Electronic F1B Model from W-Hobby
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Dear Roger,
Please publish this on your SCAT News Board:
W-Hobby is proud to present their first Electronic F1B Model. Please visit
our page for more details and photos at:
http://w-hobby.com/F1B/electronic/bx75.html
Comments are welcome!
sincerely yours
Vidas Nikolajevas
W-Hobby Free Flight
http://w-hobby.com
Tiny Timers
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Check my site for a full range of Tomys. The mechanisms through to 4
function timers.
Michael J Woodhouse, Norwich, UK.
Free Flight Supplies has secure internet credit card facilities.
All mail to: -
web site: -
on 21/8/03 5:29, SCAT user at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. wrote:
> DT Timers for HLG
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> It has been many years since I flew HLG. I have used burning fuse and sil=
> ly putty dt timers. What's the latest?
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> There used to be a wind-up spring motor from a toy that guys were using,.=
> ....TOMY? Are they still available? If so, where? Or is there something si=
> milar on the market now?
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> Out of touch and lost in Orange County.
T'aint fair
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In a message dated 8/20/03 9:19:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Mr. Brooks
writes:
<< Horak, the Canadian was out of the running with a
stall on the transition, but if he'd had his usual climb he'd have been
off into the gloom with 3 pairs of shaky knees up against a full compliment
of tripods. A snow ball you-know=3D-where would have a better chance.
T'aint fair lads!!!!!!
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Do I understand correctly? One competitor thought ahead, invested in bigger,
better binoculars, and provided them to timers exactly when needed. Is that
the part that "T'aint fair?"
Mark B
I would like to ask you
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Dear mister Morrell!
I had earlier an e-mail address
I have a new e-mail address
I would like to ask you to publish the following announcement.
Thank,
Aleksandr Pugachenko
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Dear Modelers,
We are offering for sale some Makarov and Kochkarev F1A model parts.
All items except for digital diary CASIO (for programming) and
electronic timer 1997 were never used.
1) Servo - 36 $ 3 pieces available. These servos were selected
from some servos. M&K test servos and choose the best, suitable
for Electronic timer M&K.
2) Digital diary CASIO (for programming) - $36, 1 piece is available
3) Electronic timer 1997 - $40, 1 piece is available
4) Charger for accumulator - $24, 1 piece is available
5) Wing wiggler 3-pos. controlled with hook - $30.50, 1 piece is
available
6) Electronic timer 2002 - $120, 2 pieces are available.
7) Impulse tow hook with OLA system and switches for electronic
timer - $76, 1 piece available
8) Altimeter for F1A - $64, 2 pieces are available
Please contact us for payment and delivery method by e-mail at
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. .
Thank you,
Pugachenko, Alexander.
Moscow, Russia.
http://www.moscow-f1a.narod.ru/
hlg timers
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Re: Hlg timers.
Things have moved on a little from the burbning fuse although it still
remains an effective, if somewhat drag laden technichnique if its hanging
from a hlg fuselage.
The way to go now is I guess either Tomy timers or through the use of silly
putty. I have used both for the hlgs that i fly and to be honest, both have
their advantages and disadvantages.
The Tomy timer is still an exceptional bit of engineering and is known for
being accurate and you can set the dt to pretty much the second - however,
in the event of muck getting into the mechanism, then it could result in a
fly away.
You also need to cut out a larger section in the fus for this type of timer
and that naturally, weakens the structure.
Then there is the button timer - this is a a type of silly putty that uses
friction to rotate an arm through the putty and then releases a line and dt
operates. This involves the drilling of a small hole through the wood in
the fuselage and this is slotted through it. Areodynamically, its a lot
better and the weakening of the structure is a lot less.
My final choice of weapon to get a model down is a form of silly putty dt
from len surtees - called a COOL TUBE. Its a putty timer that can be put
onto the top of the fus or incorporated in it if you build this up. Again,
same principle - the pulling of a band on the arm causes this to rotate and
away it goes. Contact Len Surtees @
lensurtees@ hotmail.com
So far have never had a failiure on this method and works for me.
Kev
Regression plans
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>Where can I get a plan for the Dream Weaver and the Lucky Lindy?
Can supply plan copy of either NosGas-legal D/W or later version, Jim
>"Disaffected with F1B" Brooks
You're learning .....
Plan for it
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Jim Brooks,
I have two sizes of "Lucky Lindy" in my plan service, the original,
NosGas-legal 511 sq. in. job from 3-58 AM and the slightly enlarged 658 sq. in.
version
that Bob Beecroft has been campaigning with notable success. The plans go
for $9 & $14 plus postage and both have short kits available at $45 plus postag
e.
Jim O'Reilly, (This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.)
Sirtrack
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Re: Sirtrack
I had a quick look at the website indicated by Dave Ackery.
Seems very close to our requirements, perhaps Dave could get
in touch with these people and define what could be the ideal
tracker, one important requirement being to withstand F1C
vibration for crystal life and good grip of battery in battery
holder.
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Re: Accoustic tachometer
I am looking to buy a second hand Köster accoustic tachometer.
If someone as one (or similar) available for sale, please make a
proposal directly to:
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TIA
Bernard
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Roger Morrell
