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SCAT Electronic News 9 September 2003 issue 825 F1E Flash !!
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F1E Flash
43rd FAI Invitational Results August 23-24, 2003 Muncie, Indiana - Markos
Looking 4 Rubber Stripper
Looking 4 Pitch gauge and wings - Ramrod250
Re: Hungary for rubber - Bennett
hlh/clg postal event - Kev
Lawrenceville. - Canned - Sullivan
Puppy : Ape or Slug ? - EoB
Tracing SIR - Blackam
Re: Bungee cord - Gregorie
Looking back at the Junior Selection Contest - Coussens
Engine Wanted - Brooks
F1E World Champs
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I'm writing this from an internet cafe in Cluj-Napoca in Romania. Today we
had the F1E World Championships and after 5 five-minute max rounds there were
8 in the fly-off and Bob Sifleet won! The first 3 in the Senior Competition are
:
1st Robert Sifleet, USA
2nd Jaromir Orel, Czech Republic
3rd Andreas Tschanz, Switzerland
I did OK, had 3 five-minute maxes but in the fierce wind in the
last round was blown to the back side of beyond
Peter
43rd FAI Invitational Results August 23-24, 2003 Muncie, Indiana
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The Chicago Aeronuts sponsored FAI Invitational contest in Muncie Indiana was
held over the weekend of Aug 23-24. We were the beneficiaries of excellent
weather considering that the Midwest experienced hot, humid and windy
conditions just before and after the weekend. Because a cool front was moving
through
on Friday bringing winds of 10-15 mph not many were practicing except some
dihard F1B contestants. On Saturday, the drift was steady
out of the NE at about
5-10 mph, temperature was moderate and humidity was thankfully low. Because
the stronger thermals were carrying models off the field, the max was reduced
from 180 to 150 for the final three rounds. The only flyoff was in F1C where
all three contestants had maxed out the rounds. Norm Poti was the only one to
drop the 5-minute flyoff. His engine unexplicably quit at about three
seconds, but the model still did an amazing 4:21 at 7 pm. His prize was to
orgainize the flyoff between Servaites and Gutai at 7 am the next morning. It
was
dead calm at the surface, but the correct launch site was selected to gain
maximum field for drift and also indicate to the rest of us
where to set up for the
remainder of the contest on Sunday. I heard that Bob won because his alien
powers caused Bucky's model to hit a tree.
The performance of two Jr team aspirants in F1A needs to be recognized. If I
read the scores correctly on the NFFS website, Peter Barron (who won) has
raised his team selection score to a tie with Ben Coussens. Michael Avallone
(who came in a close second to Peter) has cemeted his placement on the team and
is ahead of Peter. Perhaps the Jr Team Selection committee for the next
team might consider some bonus points for kids that actually place highly in
AmCup contests as part of their system instead of only considering their time
performance normalized to a max-out.
Those of us who welcomed the good weather on Saturday, felt doubly blessed on
Sunday when it was even better: Light and Variable out of the SE, with
periods of absolute calm.
The mini events started at 8 am with 16 maxes in the three events for 25
contestants. As the morning went on, the F1J flyers continued
their usual assult
on the 2-minute max until 6 of the 8 still had clean scores after five rounds.
They agreed to a 5-minute max flyoff with a 5-second engine run as a good
way to settle the contest without going into the early evening. As it turned
out, only Bob Gutai made the max. Amanda Barr, another Jr team aspirant,
launched when he did and place 4th using what seemed to be a
locked-up model (at
least it didn't bunt). Her max-out at this contest places her in serious
contention for a place on the Jr team. In F1G, the first flyoff
between Fred Blom and yours truly was almost a comedy.
We also had set a five-minute max. Near
the end of the 10-minute window, we both launched in air that was definitely
not good to each have the same score: 101 seconds! So much for tactics. The
second flyoff again saw an almost simultaneous launch, but Fred hit better air
than I did to win.
The turnout for this weekend was helped a bit by the Jr team aspirants, but
suffered from being bracketed on a weekend between the Geneseo and Canada Cup
contests. The high price of automobile fuel didn't help either. Richard
Wood.....where were you?
Chuck Markos
F1A
180 180 180 180 150 150 150 Total
1 Peter Barron (Sr) 180 180 180 180 150 150 150 1170
2 Michael Avallone (Sr 180 177 180 160 150 150 150 1147
3 Tom Jones 180 180 180 180 83 150 150 1103
4 Chuck Markos 180 152 180 180 130 126 146 1094
5 Robert Sifleet 180 180 180 61 150 150 150 1051
6 Andrew Barron 138 180 170 122 150 150 135 1045
7 Kyle Jones (Jr) 180 180 169 57 150 150 150 1036
8 Bill Schlarb 154 77 50 128 42 96 93 640
F1B
1 Bill Shailor 180 180 180 180 145 150 148 1163
2 Paul Crowley 180 172 176 180 150 150 150 1158
3 Charlie Jones 180 180 180 145 150 131 150 1116
4 David Ellis 180 180 180 119 150 150 150 1109
5 Vincent Croghan 180 180 148 180 144 150 124 1106
6 Greg Simon 180 111 142 180 150 150 150 1063
7 Chris Matsuno 178 180 180 122 96 147 150 1053
8 John Seymour 109 180 180 180 150 150 82 1031
9 Fred Blom 132 180 180 180 78 750
10 Paul Shailor 180 180 143 180 683
11 Tom Ioerger 180 180 147 507
12 Dave Lacey 147 87 180 82 496
13 Tom Jones 180 10 190
F1C FO-1FO-2Total
1 Bob Gutai 180 180 180 180 150 150 150 1170 300 3651835
2 Bucky Servaites 180 180 180 180 150 150 150 1170 300 3581828
3 Norm Poti 180 180 180 180 150 150 150 1170 261 1431
F1G
1 Fred Blom 120 120 120 120 120 101 213 914
2 Chuck Markos 120 120 120 120 120 101 127 828
3 George Clowes 120 120 120 119 120 599
4 Tom Ioerger 116 120 120 120 120 596
5 Ed Konefes 120 120 115 120 120 595
6 Paul Crowley 120 120 114 120 120 594
7 Dave Sechrist 120 120 120 120 109 589
8 Charles Jones 120 120 120 104 120 584
9 Tom Jones 117 95 120 120 120 572
10 Chris Matsuno 120 120 81 120 120 561
11 Greg Simon 120 93 96 92 120 521
12 John Shailor (Jr) 77 120 77 120 120 514
13 Dave Lacey 85 120 83 100 75 463
F1H
1 Robert Sifleet 120 120 120 120 120 600
2 Kyle Jones (Jr) 73 97 120 94 55 439
3 Lee Campbell 0 64 49 0 31 144
4 Bill Schlarb 36 36
F1J
1 Bob Gutai 120 120 120 120 120 300 900
2 Jim Haught 120 120 120 120 120 217 817
3 Norm Poti 120 120 120 120 120 191 791
4 Amanda Barr (Sr) 120 120 120 120 120 166 766
5 Bucky Servaites 120 120 120 120 120 153 753
6 Gill Morris 120 120 120 120 120 119 719
7 Joe Mekina 120 120 113 100 93 546
8 Jason Poti (Sr) 120 109 120 120 120 589
Looking 4 Rubber Stripper
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Hello,
I am looking for a rubber stripper ASAP. I looked all over and I saw that Ray H
arlan is making them. has anybody used them? are they any good?
can anybody provide me his E-mail or telephone?
Regards,
Ittai.
Looking 4 Pitch gauge and wings
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Hello Roger,
I'm looking for a pitch gauge to check out some F1J props, and have been
told that the old Terry Prather version is the way to go. Anyone out there
have one they would be willing to sell?
I'm also in need of a couple sets of 350-square-inch F1J wings (four-panel
Odyssey or similar) to replace some rather poorly built (by me) wings that
just won't cut it. Anyone have some they're not using?
Jim Haught
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Re: Hungary for rubber
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In a message dated 9/4/03 9:44:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Aram writes on,
snip
<< But mining the rubber chords requires some effort,
as bungee chords have a tightly knit (nylon?) outer
cover. It takes a sharp pair of nail scissors to slowly
pry open the protective cover without damaging the
internals.
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Just give some Tan X to an indoor flyer having a stripper. Any size from
.015" X .042" on up is easily stripped.
M Bennett
hlh/clg postal event
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Just a friendly reminder in respect of the Heave Ho postal event for hlgs -
I know that Len surtees is hard at it and just had an email from Lee Hines
with a set of incredible scores, together with an incredible set as well
fromm Charlie Primbs - timed by Tom Smith.
Its gonna be tight at the top this year - rules are as below - so come on
get them built and flying and lets keep those hlgs airbourne.
Best wishes
Kev
Heave Ho postal event for Hand launch and Catapult Launch Glider.
1. Best 5 from 9
2. 10 second attempt rule - if it's straight up and in - have another go!
3. Hlg and Clg classes - same rules, unlimited size.
4. No entry fee, a photo emailed to me or posted would be nice and will scan
and include in a future issue of Arm Soar.
5. Max = 1 Minute - if achieve 5 from 9, go in 30 second increments until
you or the model drops!!! Ie 90, 120, 150, etc
6. Fly as many times as possible. Multiple entries very welcome.
7. Flights making up each entry to be made in one day.
8. The trophy holder to post on the trophy to the next winning recipient at
the end of the year and in good condition - remember it's great to have on
the mantelpiece.
9. Flights to be made between 1 March and December 31.
10.Enjoy
Results to be with me at the latest end of January 2004, if possible by
email for speed but for those not conversant with the computer, then it’s
just as nice to hear from you by snail mail.
I Will ensure that everyone gets a copy of the results.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Kevin Moseley
6 Kelmscott Avenue
Crossgates
Leeds
LS15 8HQ
Great Britain
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Lawrenceville. - Canned
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Roger
A news flash for SCAT
Regarding the long-time held Tri County FF Contest in Lawtrenceville. this
year is was to be Oct. 4 and 5
Cancelled.
Damn, hope they revive it next year. Great site.
Really enjoy SCAT and your work.
Thanks
Phil Sullivan
Puppy : Ape or Slug ?
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Mr SCAT,
Now that F1Ps have finally been flown at a serious
contest (Junior European Champs) is there a conclusion
as to whether they are :-
a) faster than a scalded ape
or,
b) slower than a wounded slug
EoB
[EoB
I cannot comment from the Euro Jnr Chamsp except to note
thgat the turnout in F1JP was diappointing.
But I have a number of other observations ....
I have seen Cody Secor's AstroPuppy [ applogies to TH but I could not
resist] and it is in the scalded ape category .. and it is a simple
airplane albiet with a strong motor. My understanding is that
Cody flew it in F1J at the US Nats and only just missed the
5 min flyoff [from 7 seconds rather than 10] and probably
would have made it if he had a little more contest experience.
I guess coach Dave Rounsaville will just have to dye his hair so the
officals think he is a junior and he can give Cody a little flight
line wisdom!
The second third hand observation is that I understand that
the top 2 young power
flyers in the world - Gunder and Lorbiecki, are considering
F1Ps for next year's Junior World Champs , .. and Austin for one
was very negative about F1P when it was announced.
Finally and I've seen Dick Wood fly his earlier in the year
and it performed respectably if not scalded.
SCAT ]
Tracing SIR
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Subject : Re: SCAT Electronic news 4 September 03 issue 824
>RE: Sirtrack, Issue 823
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Too big, too heavy, too expensive!!!
I suggest you try Vin Morgan's transmitters (This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.),
plus his considerably more effective dedicated receiver... cheaper,
smaller, lighter!!!
RB
Re: Bungee cord
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Aram was asking about the round rubber the eastern Europeans use in
place of rubber bands.
Go to your local fishing shop and ask about "Carp elastic". My local
shop has a whole rack of the stuff in various diameters and from
various manufacturers. It is colour coded by diameter, though there
seems to be no standard here: different suppliers use the same colour
for different sized rubber. For the Imperially challenged, 0.045" is
1.14mm, so the nearest sizes will be 1.1 or 1.2 mm diameter.
Martin Gregorie
Looking back at the Junior Selection Contest
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For once I will not be writing some fuzzy feel good story as apparently
from the responses that I got from my previous piece I sent to the SEN
were not appreciated. What I would like to discuss is the conditions of
the contests and what really is to windy and rainy and miserable to send
our 1000 dollar airplanes into the blustery sky. I have recently flown
at a contest in which the conditions could be called uh "RIDICULOUS".
What makes me laugh about this is that the organizer is the one that
actually doesn't fly in the competition therefore he does not suffer the
ramifications of his decision in whether to fly in hurricane weather. So
at 8:00 AM we send an airplane up into 15 mile an hour wind on a square
mile free flight field and might i ask for what purpose? TO WIN! AH of
course to "Win" what I normally end up winning is a bill for the next
model I have to buy to replace the destructed one. I know what your
thinking is this incoherent rambling going to cease anytime soon? The
answer is yes. My point to this is that our contests are normally flown
on Saturday and Sunday. If the weather does not permit flying on
Saturday than just double up the rounds on Sunday. If you think this
doesn't work just ask Mike Keller who successfully did this at the 2002
free flight champs in November. I would rather hustle to put both Minnie
and major events in the air in one round that hustle to find enough super
glue to hold my stab together. All the juniors flew in absolutely
horrible conditions and you know what we all ended up walking away with?
Broken models and ZERO'S on the score board. I ended up going home and
calling my good friend Vasi for a new airplane because the last one ended
up diving into the armrest of Lee Hines' chair. We all know that free
flight is supposed to be a "learning experience" so I did learn
something. I learned that one decision from a "superior" could mean the
end of an airplane you spent your life savings on. You may now get the
impression of me as a whiner when in fact all I want to do is prevent
more shattered models. I think that the CD shouldn't be able to
absolutely dictate who flies in what weather. After all we are the ones
actually putting up flights in the stuff. Maybe the decision should be
more democratic than it is right now. Its just something to think about
because breaking 3 models at every contest can get old very quickly.
Till the next contest
Fly Max Catch the model and maybe win
Squatter part Deux
[Editorial
Firstly Ben is to be commended for writing about his participation
in international level Free Flight.
Commenting on the Junior selection program with 20/20 hindsight.
The way the rules were formulated it was essential to
to do well at the contest held at Muncie at the time of the Nats.
This sounded like a good idea because it encouraged particpation at
the Nat and for them all to fly together. However we made the
Juniors fly at a site, that open team will not use, without
the choice of a reserve day [because of conflicts with the Nats],
and without a Jury that we would have at a serious event. In the
part of the contest that was the Nats events the AMA would not permit
the running of F1P so those Juniors had to fly as a F1J, it turns
out that this was not an issue. Note the team place is dependant
on both Muncie scores and America's Cup scores but the juniors
have many opportunities to get a good score for the America's cup
part. But only one chance at the Muncie score.
The team selection contests are always tough. There is much
adversity. It is more diffcult than the World Champs.
When it comes to a contest will all people going for the
team, all are on the same footing.
Finally to quote a FAI sportsman much wiser than me - "after the
team selection is over there are 9 happy flyers and 100 who want to
change the rules" ! Maybe a sign that the Junior program has reached
maturity is that this same adage applies here too.
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Engine Wanted
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I'm building the Dream Weaver for Nos. Gas, and I'd like to get a
competitive engine for it. Does anyone have an excellent OS Max lll they
are willing to part with? Is there another engine that would be a good
choice?
More engines
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It just occurred to me: has anyone considered admitting engines like the
OS FP's, Tower,and Magnum to Nostalgia. I've run them in stunt (and had a
few run-away runs) and they don't seem any hotter than the legal OS's.????
more, more engines
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Roger, It just occurred to me that I could also use a .19 in my
Dreamweaver.
Can I ammend my first post to include .15 or .19 max III?
.........................
Roger Morrell
