SEN 2457 - The NFFS Guru at Wawayanda wonders about International Protests

Table of Contents – SEN 2457


The NFFS Guru at Wawayanda wonders about International Protests

  1. NFFS Sympo Needs You, the Guru
  2. Wawayanda Results
  3. Protests

NFFS Sympo Needs You, the Guru


From:Ed Carroll



Hi Roger,


I am short on total pages for the new SYMPO, Please post this message on SEN:


I am still short of where I want to be on articles for the 2018 SYMPO.  This is your journal, if anyone has ready to go articles, especially theoretical ones, please send asap.  The copy deadline is here.  If you would like to chat about  your idea, call or email.




Ed Carroll

email:  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

cell:  818-489-5039


Wawayanda Results


From : Aram Schlosberg


Bob Hatcheck/Challenge,  Wawaywanda NY, 

May 19-20, 2018


         F1A              1       2      3      4        5       Total

Peter Barron             131     71    180    180     --        562

Andrew Barron            127    123     79    120     --        449

         F1B                    1      2      3      4      5     Total

Ron Felix                     120    120    179    180    180      779

Skyscraper's Annual,  Wawaywanda NY,


June 23-24, 2018

    F1A                  1      2      3      4      5        Total        

Andrew Barron          210    109    180    180    240        919

Ken Bauer              112    112    180    180    240        824

Peter Barron           139    133    127    180    151        730

Igor Fradkin           151     75    180    180     78        664

Tzvetan Tzvetkov        78    153    109    105    149        594

Adelaide Ulm            68    155     76    114    108        521

Gene Ulm                   131      22   180     131       0        464

       F1B                     1      2      3      4      5      Total                                  

Ron Felix                    208    180    131    108    240        867

        F1G                       1        2         3        4        5       Total

Don Rousseau           120     120    120    120    120       600

Larry Pelatowski            0     120    102         0        0       222

         F1S                1      2      3      4      5       Total

Drake Hooke               120    120    120    120    120        600

Yuda Avia                 120     88    120    120    120        568

Dick Ivers                120     89    120    112    120        561




With reference to the World Cup Rules etc discussion a few issues back.  There was an outstanding question as to how Frederic, who started it all, might lodge a protest.  One of the replies was to follow the sporting code.  I must admit that I was not familiar with all of those sections of the sporting code, so I “asked” these questions and someone wiser than me replied.



Who can protest the result of a FFWC event? Must a protest be lodged during

the event?


 Reference to the SC4 CIAM General Rules 2018:




C.20.2 Protest




a) All protests must be presented in writing in English to the contest

director of the event, or the appropriate contest director for an event

with multiple classes and must be accompanied by the deposit of a fee. The

amount of this fee shall be the equivalent of 50 Euro. The deposit is

returned only if the protest is upheld.


b) The same person (team manager or competitor depending on the type of

contest) is not permitted to present two consecutive protests on the same



c) Protests must be arbitrated in compliance with FAI Sporting Code General

Section 6.4.




C.20.3 Time limit for lodging protests



a) Before the beginning of the event: a protest against the validity of an

entry, qualification of competitors, the contest rules, the flying and

contest area, the processing of models, the judges or other contest

officials, must be lodged at least one hour before the opening of the



b)  During the event: a protest against a decision of the judges or other

contest officials or against an error or irregularity committed during an

event by another competitor or team manager must be lodged as soon as the

contest situation requires but not later than 60 minutes after the

incident. Note: a protest relative to official results must be lodged as

soon as the official results have been published on the flight site of the

event and no later than the prize-giving.



Also see the FAI Sporting Code General Section 4.16:






4.16.1 JURY APPROVAL: The results of an International Sporting Event shall

be final only when all protests have been dealt with by the Jury and the

Jury has ceased its functions. The final results must be made public before

the prize-giving is held.




*The World Cup Board* is not entitled to deal with any kind of complaint or

protest concerning a single competition, which must be considered by the

FAI Jury for that competition.




Annex 1 Rules for Free Flight World Cup


10. World Cup Board


A Board of three persons shall be nominated by the CIAM Free Flight

Subcommittee Chairman to rule on any issue concerning the implementation of

World Cup rules during a year. Any such issue must be submitted in writing

to the relevant Subcommittee Chairman. The World Cup Board is not entitled

to deal with any kind of complaint or protest concerning a single

competition, which must be considered by the FAI Jury for that competition.





That according to the Sporting Code, it is not possible or practical for a person not at the event to protest the outcome of an event.


It appears that Frederic could lodge a protest to the World Cup Board about the practice of using a D/T fly off to get a conclusion over a series of events but not about an individual event.  It is clear that the World Cup Board protest is lodged through the Subcommitee chairman.  It does not say if it has to be accompanied by a 50 Euro fee like a protest at the individual event must me. I’m not sure if it known who is on the World Cup Board but that is not important as the protest must be lodged with the Free Flight subcommittee chairman, Ian Kaynes.


SEN’s editorial position


The World Cup events are very important for FAI Free Flight, it gives us, the typical, average Free Flight Sportsman the opportunity to take part in major events with the best sportsmen in the world.


The World Cup events have dimension that is not present with single contest, including a World Champs, in that World Cup outcome may be influenced by an event where a major contender did not attend.  It is clearly acknowledged that no one attends all World Cup events and there are differences such as the number of participants and the weather and this is OK.  What can cause a problem is if some apparent non-conforming act by the organizer affects the results and corresponding points allocation. 


Our interest is getting clarification so the World Cup and it’s component events can be carried out in a harmonious and fair sporting manner.