SEN 874 - 25 May 2004

SCAT electronic News 25 May 2004 issue 874

Table of Contents
Hoosier Cup May 22 -23, 2004 Muncie, Indiana
2004 Empire State FF Championships - Clemens
Sierra Champs - Dukie
Engines for FAI Combat
Rules for F1J, F1P - Kerr
Black Sea Cup 2004 - Stamov
Paper Tube - Klintworth
MP Jet for sell - Parker
Spelling or Speling
Mimicking humpback whale flippers may improve airplane wing design
Sympo Ed - Woodhouse
Critical of our Junior Program? - Ferrario
clarification/Jrs. - Bennett
From a Junior's POV - Squatter II
Some response re F1A design... - SweepetteLee
key bros. record

Hoosier Cup May 22 -23, 2004 Muncie, Indiana

Max by rounds 180 120 120 120 120 120 120 900
1 Chuck Markos 72 89 107 81 77 426
2 Art Ellis 38 38
1 Jerry McGlashan 174 120 120 120 120 120 102 876
2 Paul Crowley 180 120 120 120 78 120 120 858
3 Jim Bradley 180 120 98 120 120 110 90 838
4 Bill Shailor 180 120 76 120 120 82 120 818
5 Eddie VanLandingham 180 120 120 120 78 95 55 768
6 John Seymour 119 120 120 120 100 77 106 762
7 Richard Wood 102 81 79 120 77 83 542
8 Evan Simon (Jr) 165 120 285
9 Dave Ellis 9 9

1 Norman Poti 0 120 101 120 120 98 559

Max by Rounds-Mini event 120 120 120 120 120 600
1 Paul Masterman 103 120 102 95 120 540
2 Ed Konefes 120 120 60 62 120 482
3 Richard Wood 80 44 116 47 113 400
4 Eddie VanLandingham 60 43 120 84 65 372
5 Guenther Nowak 38 87 5 130
6 Chuck Markos 32 21 53

1 Jean Pailet 103 49 35 30 44 261
2 Lee Campbell 37 58 41 53 58 247
3 Chuck Markos 46 46

1 Jim Haught 120 120 120 36 57 453
2 Jean Pailet 31 95 120 120 50 416

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Please find following the results of the Southern Cross Cup 2004 run on
April 13th & April 14th, approx 50 kms from Narrandera off the Urana Rd on a
property called North Oak. The weather was generally good over the two days
with wind increasing on Wednesday gusting up to 7 m/s. Temperatures ranged
from approx 14 degrees up to 28 degrees. A flight line using cone markers
was set up perpendicular to the direction of the drift and was not moved for
the duration of the event. An extra line was placed 20 m East to accommodate
the F1C flyers. Line checks were carried out as were motor weights, and
engine run times at various intervals throughout the event. There was
considerable dust haze which precluded extended max times and or the use of
the unpopular "super max" system. All FAI events were run to a 7 x 180
format, with F1A being decided in the 5 min flyoff.
F1B and C were flown under more difficult wind conditions with aircraft
travelling up to 3 kilometres from the flight line. We were precluded from
the use of motorized retrieval because of the suspected presence of an
endangered bird (the Plains Wanderer). After seven exhausting rounds Richard
Blackam and Terry Bond, who had both maxed out, decided to call it a draw.
As in previous years, Open Power and Open Rubber were flown to a 5 flight
Awards consisting of certificates, and perpetual trophies along with prizes
were presented after each days events.
The Jury consisted of Vin Morgan AUS , Craig King NZL ,
Antony Koerbin NZL , Chairman Dave Hegarty, Roy Summersby AUS ,
Paul Rossiter AUS , Terry Bond AUS.

1. Brian Van Nest (USA ) 180 180 180 180 180 180
180 1260 + 300
2. Vin Morgan (AUS ) 180 180 180 180 180 180
180 1260 + 262
3. Mikhail Kochkarev (RUS) 180 180 170 180 180 180
180 1250
4. Jeremy Woolley (AUS ) 180 180 161 180 180 180
180 1241
5. Craig King (NZL) 180 156 180 180 180 180
180 1236
6. Mike Thomas (AUS) 180 134 180 180 180 180
180 1214
7. Antony Koerbin (NZL) 180 180 180 180 180 127
180 1207
8. Rob Wallace (NZL) 180 180 180 180 180 102
180 1182
9. Bill McGarvey (NZL) 180 143 180 180 138 180
180 1181
10. Lee Hines (USA) 180 180 180 180 180 180
88 1168
11. Henning Nyhegn (DEN ) 169 85 180 180 180 180
180 1155
12. Nikolay Nikolov (AUS ) 180 155 180 180 180 49
180 1104
13. Phil Mitchell (AUS ) 180 180 180 180 80 180
101 1081
14.Moira Vincent (NZL) 135 180 96 180 180 180
---- 951
15. Brett Mitchell (AUS) 149 78 69 180 127
77 180 860
16. Malcolm Campbell (AUS) 110 74 138 180 180 80
84 846
17. Dave Lacey (AUS ) 155 138 180 180 180 ---
--- 833
18. Martin Williams (AUS) 55 118 123 82 66
63 175 682
19. Lincoln Vincent (NZL) 47 80 79 180 179
59 --- 624

1. Terry Bond (AUS) 180 180 180 180 180
180 180 1260
1. Richard Blackam (AUS) 180 180 180 180 180 180
180 1260
3. Leigh Morgan (AUS) 180 180 165 180 180
165 180 1213
4. Peter Sikora (AUS) 180 180 124 180 180
180 180 1204
5. Brian Van Nest (USA) 180 180 85 180 155
180 180 1140
6. Karen Kenmir (AUS) 180 180 116 180 180
180 4 1020
7. Paul Rossiter (AUS) 137 105 39 180 180
180 180 1001
8. Bill Pudney (AUS) 180 161 180 116 135
--- --- 772
9. Ladislav Horak (CAN) 180 119 180 180 ---
--- --- 659


1. Roy Summersby (AUS) 180 180 180 150 180 180 180 1230
2. Peter Nash (AUS) 180 180 169 180 159 180 180 1228
3. William East (AUS) 180 180 180 177 180 180 112 1189
4. Henning Nyhegn (DEN) 180 180 --- 180 --- --- --- 540


1. Paul Rossiter 180 180 180 180 180
2. Dave Hegarty 169 171 180 180 180
3. Karen Kenmir 180 180 117 180 180
4. Malcolm Campbell 143 180 180 173 95

5. Peter Sikora 180 180 93 180
116 749
6. Col Somers 96 180 35 156
142 609


1. Roy Summersby 180 180 180 180 180 900
2. Peter Nash 180 180 180 180 162 882
3. Stan Hines 180 180 180 180 75 795
4. Des Slattery 81 138 60 72 128 479

2004 Empire State FF Championships
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The Western New York Free Flight Society is proud to annouce that the 35th
annual Empire State Free Flight Championships will be held August 27-26-28
at the Geneseo, NY, airport. There will be 22 AMA, FAC, and OT events in
addition to both America's and National Cup competitions.

AMA or MAAC licenses are required. $25 flies all events, or $10 for one
event and $8.00 for each additional event. Juniors pay a single $5.00 fee
which covers all events. Trophies will be awarded through third place in all
events. Chase bikes are allowed. A $15 buffet will be held on Saturday
evening after the contest at a nearby restaurant. Sign up before noon on
Saturday. There will be a 50/50 raffle at the field. Location map and
lodging information available.

Here's the schedule of events:


- A/B Classic Gas*
- B/C Nostalgia Gas
- .020 Replica Gas (12 sec. run)
- Moffett*
- O.T. Rubber (Mulvihill rule for max flights)
- Classic towline (straight tow, no bunt)
- Diesel


- 1/2A*/D Gas
- 1/2A Classic Gas
- A Nostalgia Gas*
- 1/4 A Nostalgia*
- Mulvihill*
- Nostalgia Rubber/Wakefield*
- FAC O.T. Electric Gas Replica
- FAC Embryo Endurance
- FAC Golden Age Scale
- FAC Rubber Scale
- America's Cup: F1A, F1B, F1C, F1C
- Diesel


- C-D Classic Gas*
- 1/2 A Nostalgia Gas*
- O.T. Gas
- P-30*
- Catapult Glider*
- America's Cup: F1G, F1H, F1J
- Diesel flyoff

* Denotes National Cup events, including Junior CLG and P-30

P-30 and Catapult Glider have Junior categories. Juniors may fly any day,
but all flight within the category must be completed the day the event is

Diesel: Three flights Friday and/or Saturday. 12 second engine run, 120 sec.
max. Total of 250 or more seconds qualifies for Sunday 8-10 AM flyoff.

Contest Director:

John Carls
43 Murphy Road
Bradford, PA 16701
(814) 362-7789

America's Cup Director:

John Clapp
116 Hillcrest Drive
Sayre, PA 18845
(570) 888-0997

Sierra Champs
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Here are the FAI results from Sierra Champs April 3-4, 2004.
Sorry I blew it and didn't send sooner.
Too many engines to work on. Makes me forgetful.

1. Mike McKeever 1599
2. Hector Diez 1513
3. Ernesto Busnelli 1387
4. Pierre Brun 1195
5. Norm Smith 1193

1. Bob Biedron 1529
2. John Pratt 1509
3. Mike Davis 1493
4. Martin Schroedter 1491
5. Rich Rohrke 1442
6. Jeff Schroedter (Jr.)1422
7. Phil Scheiman 1235
8. Dick Myers 1156
9. George Schroedter 465 3 rounds
10. Dick Wood 347 2 rounds
11. Aimee raymond DNFly

1. Roger Simpson 1560
2. Dave Shirley 1492
3, David Halliday 1241
4. Walt Ghio DNFly

1. John Pratt 780
2. Dick Wood 778
3. Aimee Raymond 772
4. Jeff Schroedter(Jr.) 747
5. George Schroedter 746
6. Mike Davis 742
7. Martin Schroedter 693
8. Bill Davis 577
9. Walt Ghio 575
10. Phil Scheiman 494

1. Ernesto Busnelli 1040
2. Mike McKeever 955
3. Norm Smith 489

1. Dave Shirley 920
2. Ken Oliver 87

Engines for FAI Combat
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Dear combat flyers !
I have on the stock the engines for FAI Combat PC6M and PC6S !
Best regards,
Alexander Kalmykov
pr.Dzerjinskogo 2-67
Novosibirsk 630112
Phone/Fax : +7 3832 773771
Phone/Fax : +7 3832 173278

Rules for F1J, F1P
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I would like to know why none of the contests which list F1J and F1P are not
run according to FAI rules. The rules call for a 7 second engine run for
F1J and a 3 minute max. For F1P, a 10 second engine run for a 3 minute max.
The rules for F1C, Wakefield and A2 are 3 minute maxes. Why don't we follow
the same rules in the F1J and F1P? Follow the FAI rules!!

Black Sea Cup 2004
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Dear Free Flyers,

"Black Sea Cup" - World Cup event, entered by Moldova (one of the ex-Soviet
Union Republic) and run in Odessa/Ukraine, is idea of Alexander
Founder and Head of telecommunicational Company "FARLEP". It is one of the
biggest private Internet and telephone provider in Ukraine with Hi-Teck
Service. Some years ago A. MARAKHOVSKY bought RC kit, built a model and flew
it. He was so exited from modelflying that his son Pavel also started to fly
Free Flight F1A and 4 years ago Junior Modelling Club was founded in Odessa.
Now it is the biggest and the most successful Junior Club in Ukraine. Last
year he supported his son to European World Cup competitions and he liked it
so much that decided to organize the same level event in his home town. His
Company is Patron of Ukrainian Junior Free Flight Team at World Champ and
"Black Sea Cup".
>From the name of Organizing Committee I invite you come to us and we will
Odessa situated on the Black Sea cost and summer is a time when a lot of
people come there for the vacation. Therefore, please, contact me ASAP for
reservation of your accommodation.
The latest and the final competition information is below.


Black Sea Cup/Moldova 2004
World Cup events in F1A, F1B, F1C
Open International in F1H, F1G, F1J, F1P

July, 16-18, 2004

Ukraine, Odessa, military field "Gvardeyskoe"(Chabanka). 30 km to the East
from the city by road Odessa-Nikolaev. Flying site 2x2 km and open space
around for 5 km.

F1A, B, C - $25;
F1H, G, J, P - $15
2 and more classes - $40.
Payment - during registration.
Send us Entry before June, 15, 2004 and get discount for Entry Fee. Pay
only $20, $10 and $30 accordingly!!!
Juniors - Free.

Camping near flying site. Toilets, water, shower. Tents and air mattresses
can be provided by organizers by your entry before June, 15, 2004. Motel
reservation - by your entry before June, 15, 2004.

Cafe-bar (till last customer) - at camp site, snack - on flying site during

According to the FAI Sporting Code Section 4a, 4b, and 4c. FAI License for
2004 should be shown during registration. Supermax will be flown if weather
condition available.

Will be presented at Opening Ceremony.

All flyers are invited. Payment - $10 per day.

Friday, July, 16
Arrival, practice - all day
Registration (camp site) - from 15.00
"Matrix. Endless flight" (unlimited flight)
F1A 19.20-19.30
F1B 19.35-19.45
F1C 19.50-20.00
Opening Ceremony (camp site) 21.00

Saturday, July, 17 F1B, C, H
1 round F1B, C, H 6.00-6.55
2 round F1B, C, H 7.00-7.55
3 round F1B, C, H 8.00-8.55
4 round F1B, C, H 9.00-9.55
5 round F1B, C, H 10.00-10.55
6 round F1B, C 11.00-11.55
7 round F1B, C 12.00-12.55
F1B, C, H fly offs from 18.00

Sunday, July, 18 F1A, G, J, P
1 round F1A, G, J, P 6.00-6.55
2 round F1A, G, J, P 7.00-7.55
3 round F1A, G, J, P 8.00-8.55
4 round F1A, G, J, P 9.00-9.55
5 round F1A, G, J, P 10.00-10.55
6 round F1A 11.00-11.55
7 round F1A 12.00-12.55
F1A, G, J, P fly offs from 18.00
Closing Ceremony, Price Giving, Banquet 21.00

1) 3 flyers in each class F1A, F1B, F1C (teams will be formed by Ukrainian
selection rating. For foreign competitors - by their wish. Winning team - by
World and European Championships criteria).
2) 3 flyers with anyone classes (winning team - by maximum points in main
rounds. Supermax doesn't counted. In case of tie, by the amount of f+1-p,
where: f - number of flyers in fly off, p - individual place).

Extra to the main competition

F1A - $4000. Fee - $1-20.
1 place - fee È100;
2 place - fee È50;
3 place - fee È20;
4 place - fee È9;
5 place - fee È6;
6 place - fee È5;
7 place - fee È4;
8 place - fee È3;
9 place - fee È2;
10 place - fee È1.

F1B - $3800. Fee - $1-20.
1 place - fee È100;
2 place - fee È50;
3 place - fee È20;
4 place - fee È9;
5 place - fee È6;
6 place - fee È5.

F1ó - $3400. Fee - $1-20.
1 place - fee È100;
2 place - fee È50;
3 place - fee È20.

F1H, G, J, P - $250 for each class. Fee - $1-10.
1 place - fee È25.

Place in Grand Prix is absolute place in competition and doesn't depend from
number of Grand Prix competitors.

Top 3 in F1A, F1B, F1C, F1H, F1G, F1J
Top 3 juniors in F1A, F1B, F1H, F1G, F1J, F1P
Top 3 Teams in F1A, F1B, and F1C
Top 3 Teams in Combine Score.

Victor STAMOV (will not fly).

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03134 Kiev,
Tel. home: 380-44-4027932
Mob: +38067-7511663
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Please, let us know information about your arrival and visa support.
See you in Odessa.


Name _______________________________________
First Name ___________________________________
Class of models _______________________________
FAI Lic. Number ______________________________
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Camping _____________________________________
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Address _____________________________________
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Paper Tube
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Instead of using a paper tube Mike S. could shave the carbon rod down =
with a razor blade and sandpaper to fit the closest metal tube size. =
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MP Jet for sell
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For Sale: MP Jet, .061 cu. in. with resin engine mount, remote needle valve
pieces and 2 extra plug. $75 or best offer. Flown ~ 10 times on the SCAT's
AstroStar F1P test bed. Kept clean. Turned 26.5k with 35% nitro, 6x2 aps prop.

With rework and folder (not allowed on F1P) these engines will perform in the
30k range.

Jim Parker
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Spelling or Speling
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Hello Roger,
I appreciate your work on SCAT News. Thank you for keeping us informed.
I believe that luddite is spelled with two d's.

Mimicking humpback whale flippers may improve airplane wing design
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Mimicking humpback whale flippers may improve airplane wing design
Public release date: 11-May-2004

Contact: Deborah Hill
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Duke University

Mimicking humpback whale flippers may improve airplane wing design
DURHAM, N.C. -- Wind tunnel tests of scale-model humpback whale flippers
have revealed that the scalloped, bumpy flipper is a more efficient wing
design than is currently used by the aeronautics industry on airplanes. The
tests show that bump-ridged flippers do not stall as quickly and produce
more lift and less drag than comparably sized sleek flippers.
The tests were reported by biomechanicist Frank Fish of West Chester
University, Penn., fluid dynamics engineer Laurens Howle of the Pratt School
of Engineering at Duke University and David Miklosovic and Mark Murray at
the U.S. Naval Academy. They reported their findings in the May 2004 issue
of Physics of Fluids , published in advance online on March 15, 2004.

In their study, the team first created two approximately 22-inch-tall scale
models of humpback pectoral flippers -- one with the characteristic bumps,
called tubercles, and one without. The models were machined from thick,
clear polycarbonate at Duke University. Testing was conducted in a low speed
closed-circuit wind tunnel at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md.

The sleek flipper performance was similar to a typical airplane wing. But
the tubercle flipper exhibited nearly 8 percent better lift properties, and
withstood stall at a 40 percent steeper wind angle. The team was
particularly surprised to discover that the flipper with tubercles produced
as much as 32 percent lower drag than the sleek flipper.

"The simultaneous achievement of increased lift and reduced drag results in
an increase in aerodynamic efficiency," Howle explains.

This new understanding of humpback whale flipper aerodynamics has
implications for airplane wing and underwater vehicle design. Increased lift
(the upward force on an airplane wing) at higher wind angles affects how
easily airplanes take off, and helps pilots slow down during landing.

Improved resistance to stall would add a new margin of safety to aircraft
flight and also make planes more maneuverable. Drag -- the rearward force on
an airplane wing -- affects how much fuel the airplane must consume during
flight. Stall occurs when the air no longer flows smoothly over the top of
the wing but separates from the top of the wing before reaching the trailing
edge. When an airplane wing stalls, it dramatically loses lift while
incurring an increase in drag.

As whales move through the water, the tubercles disrupt the line of pressure
against the leading edge of the flippers. The row of tubercles sheers the
flow of water and redirects it into the scalloped valley between each
tubercle, causing swirling vortices that roll up and over the flipper to
actually enhance lift properties.

"The swirling vortices inject momentum into the flow," said Howle. "This
injection of momentum keeps the flow attached to the upper surface of the
wing and delays stall to higher wind angles."

"This discovery has potential applications not only to airplane wings but
also on the tips of helicopter rotors, airplane propellers and ship
rudders," said Howle.

The purpose of the tubercles on the leading edge of humpback whale flippers
has been the source of speculation for some time, said Fish. "The idea they
improved flipper aerodynamics was so counter to our current doctrine of
fluid dynamics, no one had ever analyzed them," he said.

Humpback whales maneuver in the water with surprising agility for 44-foot
animals, particularly when they are hunting for food. By exhaling air
underwater as they turn in a circle, the whales create a cylindrical wall of
bubbles that herd small fish inside. Then they barrel up through the middle
of the "bubble net," mouth open wide, to scoop up their prey.

According to Fish, the scalloped hammerhead shark is the only other marine
animal with a similar aerodynamic design. The expanded hammerhead shark head
may act like a wing.

The trick now is to figure out how to incorporate the advantage of the
tubercle flipper into manmade designs, said Fish.

The research team now plans to perform a systematic engineering
investigation of the role of scalloped leading edges on lift increase, drag
reduction and stall delay.


Sympo Ed
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OK so that's me sorted for the next year. It is a great privilege to take
on the task. As Walt says I will be sending out a call for papers in the
next week or so. However you don't have to wait for that, don't be shy! my
mail box is already open!

Thank you already for your help.

Michael J Woodhouse, Norwich, UK.
Free Flight Supplies has secure internet credit card facilities.

Critical of our Junior Program?
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Critical of our Junior Program?

Whoa! Hang on everyone. Before we beat up Mr. Bennett because of his
“bitter”, “critical”, and “counter productive” comments as supposedly
communicated to the readership with his 5/12 SEN contribution, has anybody
cared enough about the future viability of FF to ask if he might be asking
some good questions? And again, that’s all Mr. Bennett has done, asked two
simple questions.

A) Would the US have a Junior FAI Team apart from the equipment handed to
them by the Senior Sportsmen?
B) Given the proper building supplies, could every current member of this
season’s Junior WC contenders actually build, rig, trim and fly even just
one of the much simpler Junior National Cup events like ½ Classic Gas, P-30,
or HLG?

Is the doctor being “bitter” when he or she orders up a biopsy to
investigate the dark spots on an x-ray? Is your realtor being “counter
productive” when they insist on having your new home inspected for termites
before you sign the paperwork?

In looking back over Mr. Bennett’s letter, and then Mr. Coleman’s response,
the only assertion of fact is made by Mr. Coleman…
“Since the youngest member of the Junior Team can do all that Mark has
suggested it is obvious that zero fact finding was used to write his bitter

Fact Finding? Dear Mr. Coleman, have you actually seen P-30s and
Stardusters built by all the members of the Junior WC Team? If you have,
that’s wonderful! (Personally, I wouldn’t have included OT Rubber in the
list. I’m still having a hard time getting the prop on my Gollywock to fold

You want to find some facts? How about these…
- Over my last 19 years of teaching middle school science, I’ve seen a
decline in the amount of time parents are spending with their children.
- I have eighth grade algebra students who can handle the quadratic formula
and factor binomials, but don’t know the difference between centimeters and
inches on a ruler.
- Most of our shop classes have all been stripped and renovated into
computer labs and video studios.
- Our nation is losing an entire generation of craftsmen; engineers who
might be able to draw something on their CAD system, but would have to send
it to India to have it actually built.

Is Mr. Bennett wrong in raising his concerns? Are apologies really in
order, as asserted by Mr. Coleman? I’m not sure, but I do know this; Roger
has done an incredible job in serving the FF community with this “fine
electronic media,” but its quality must also lie in its honesty. No Junior
FF Champion should have to build a Starduster to prove their mettle. FAI
events are and will always be the highest expression of how technology can
be applied to the art of FF. I only know one of this season’s Junior WC
fliers, but you couldn’t ask for a more wonderful young man to proudly
represent our country this summer in France. I don’t think Mr. Bennett
meant any ill will in posing his questions. Like me, he might just be
frustrated with the fear that in no less than 30 years from now, the last FF
model built in the US may be by one us, glued together on the sunny
windowsill of our assisted living quarters.

As active free flighters, we have a lot of tough issues to address, such as
shrinking flying sites and the BOTM rule. And not least of all, do we want
an active Junior Program where they might even be encouraged to build
something? I read of the Joe Fosters and Joe Bilgris of our modeling
heritage. I have the honor of receiving help from today’s greats like Bud
Romak and Doug Galbreath. But are we now prepared to honestly address the
steps necessary to nurture the next generation of real, capable “FF
modelers?” The answer may be as close as the passenger seat of your truck
as you drive to the next contest'is it empty, or did you invite your
paperboy and his mom to come along? (Moms make great timers!)

Rocco Ferrario
Napa, California

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Mr. Coleman,
I'm not bitter--I don't even personally know any of the Jr. team. The only
one I have seen in action-Philip Scheiman-has obviously formidable FF skills.

It is only my intention to get the FF community to consider what is supposed
to happen to a group of Juniors sometimes handed $1500 models without more
basic modeling curriculum in view. Obviously parents are doing plenty. But h
can *we* help provide "a friend for life," (FF acc. to Zaic) meaning enough
modeling skills to achieve freedom from necessarily having to purchase high tec
parts, which won't be so easy for young adults in a few years--college,
family, etc. Do we have to merely hope they will wander back to FF years later

when they can buy models again? I'm not throwing a rock as someone not doing
anything. I'm involved in local Science Olympiad, I have built AMA Cubs with a
few hundred kids, and have demoed Pennyplane in over 600 elementary classrooms.

I also stand eager to help (and drive, say, anywhere within the radius of
Sacramento to Lost Hills) any Junior reading this who wishes to *build* and fly
something of his/her own.
Mark Bennett
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From a Junior's POV
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Scat readers,

I'm replying to both Mr. Coleman's letter as well as Mr. Bennett's. I
understand that Mr. Coleman believes that this letter of reality is very
upsetting to all juniors, but sadly most of it is true. I have absolutely
no problem admitting that Mr. Bennett is right. Most juniors can't build
models much less fix an airplane badly damaged in a high pressure situation.
I can say without a blow to my ego that I certainly cannot accomplish fixing
a model on a field. I have been flying for four years and I'm really
proud of myself because I'm starting to learn how to trim a model. The
situation in junior model flying is that yes t
he parents spend a heck of a lot of money to get their kids into the sport.
But Mr. Bennett I must say that the juniors at the point of entering
free flight
most likely cannot pay for a competitive model. I was one of these. My dad and
I split the cost of a 600 dollar bunt-bone in 2001. But I say this right now.
I would not be in this sport if my dad hadn't helped me with that model. This
past summer I purchased a set of bunt-bone wings and stab to replace the set I
destroyed in the junior finals disaster. And to be honest I was so proud that
I was flying something that I had paid for. Both sides are correct. It is
counter productive to write this in the SEN but Mr. Bennett it also is
every persons right to speak their own mind. I agree with you on every point
of your opinion. I just wouldn't have written it to the SEN because I have
been chastised before for writing something that I should have kept to
myself. But again I stress that I'm encouraged that people have their
own opinions. As for Mr. Coleman I
agree that it is counter productive especially with them leaving for France. i
But I'm sorry to say Mr. Bennett is correct, there are not to many flyers
who can fix and build their own models. Thats just reality. I believe
I have said my piece. And let me say this just because you cannot build or
fix doesn't mean you
cannot be a good free flight flyer. We are sending a young team to France but
that doesnt mean they are talent-less. Good luck 2004 junior team. You will do
us proud.

Fly Max Win
Squatter part deux

Some response re F1A design...
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Hello Mr Borg,
I just read your note in SEN, issue 873.
I was out of the country in April, so possibly that is why I have no record
of any email received from you.
Please tell us more about your kit. I am interested.
Wingspan, cost and availability to Americans?
I know of Lars' ability and we may have met, but not sure.

I await your response.

key bros. record
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Sirs: One correction on the Curtiss Robin/Key Bros. record: Set in
1935 not 1932.

Roger Morrell