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SCAT Electronic News 4 July 2002 issue 713
Table of Contents
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Andruikov Defects
Wake Up plans?? - Halberstadt
KC parts and computer problems - Ramrod 250
Re: Thunderbuggy update
Flying at the Beaumont Ranch - Simpkins
Frank Wolff - Bradley
STING hlg prices - Moseley
NFFS Publications On Hold For Now - Stalick
HLG newsletter - Moseley
Wing Incidences for Simple Rubber Models. - White
Paul del Gatto - DelGatto
Andruikov Defects
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Is Alex going back to Kiev ?
Did Bob White get him to join the Republican party and listen to Rush Limbaugh?
Did Alex bild a F1C model ?
DiD those deviates at Aerovironment get him to build a Foam F1B ?
or worse a F3B ?
Did he finally go electronic ?
No - nyet
Alex was seen giving money to Gumband Commerical Collossuss - Al Brush
Is Alex now going fly a Burdov model ?
is he swapping his secret rubber lube for SnakeSnot or Gorilla Grease ?
Never !!
but how can a graduate of the Verbitsky School of Aeromodelling ,
a true sportsman break down and buy a motorbike !!
Our reporter did not say if Tanya remained true to her calling or
is she too, deviated and got Tina's bike.
We know already that Vladi has spent too much time in the West so
that the bike Al was selling we not in his style - but what
happenied to the Rich Rorhke noisy rice rocket ?
I suppose that there is still some solace in that Alex did not get a FatCat.
By the way we understand that the sale of these bikes not mean
Al has given up flying. They were his #2 back up bikes.
Wake Up plans??
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Hi George, [who is he ?]
George Schroedter tells me you might just happen to have a set of plans for
a Wake Up kit. I have the kit, but lost the plans ages ago. I don't know
that I'll ever build it, but I know I won't be able to without the
drawings. His Champion Coupe had to be one of the best all around kits I've
ever built, and I know the Wake will be just as good.
If you can fix me up with a set, please let me know, and we'll figure out
the details.
Thanks!
Erik Halberstadt
KC parts and computer problems
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Roger,
Two things:
1) Previous SEN communication resulted in plenty of sources for KC .061
engines; now I'm looking for a source for spare parts. Anyone have thoughts
on this?
2) I've been as guilty as anyone about not taking computer hackers/viruses
seriously, but I am starting to become a believer now. For the second time in
about six months, someone has managed to hack my account and send a large
quantity of E-mail to various people under my name. I was locked out of my
own account until I contacted the AOL staff to see what was up.
I mention this here because I recently received a suspicious E-mail,
allegedly from Lee Hines, that may have been sent under similar
circumstances. I did not open the message, and Lee said it wasn't his, but
somebody out there -- maybe even a modeler -- may be causing these problems.
Sad!
I am now more careful than ever about deleting any E-mail I don't recognize
before I open it, and certainly don't download any attachment I'm not
positive about. Even so, I obviously haven't gotten everything, and I have
had to change passwords on all my accounts twice this year already -- with no
assurance that the problem is solved.
Jim Haught
Re: Thunderbuggy update
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Thanks to those who replied to my request for Thunderbuggy info. As it
turned out, I had just left for Muncie when that request was published and
Lee Campbell was waiting at the AMA site with a complete Thunderbuggy kit for
me to borrow,
Thanks
Rudy
Flying at the Beaumont Ranch
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This weekend, June 29-30, we had our Texas Cloud Climber annual meet at
the Beaumont Ranch. I arrived at the field Saturday about 8:30 and spent
some 30 minutes registering, meeting and shaking hands with friends.
Went back to the van and unloaded the bike and set up to to a
preliminary check of the engine and timer of the 1/2A Mini Prime Time.
Fueled up and found that I had a leaky fuel line. Replaced the fuel line
and continued to do my preliminary ground checks. All seemed right and
the Cylclon 049 was running nicely around 27K. Attached the wing and
stab and installed the transmitter. Carried all the goods out to the
flight line and set up for the first round. Time now is about 9:30 and
the wind was light, about 10-15 mph with a bunch of huge cumulus clouds.
Got somone to time, popped the engine on the starter and made the
launch. Climb was near vertical with a slight roll to the left at engine
cut off. Model leveled off and immediately went into a Texas boomer. Got
on the bike and chased the model to the far north end of the field which
is about a mile. While sitting under the model which is now a speck in
the sky, I'm beginning to wonder if I had goofed and set the DT arm in
the wrong groove. To my relief I could see it DT ...but it was not
decending, it was still being sucked up into that cloud. It was slowly
coming dowm and now drifting eastward toward a grove of trees beyond the
ranch. Fortunately the gate at the far north end of the field was
unlocked and I could keep the model in site when it dissapeared beyond a
distant tree line. It appeared to come down in a neighboring goat ranch.
Rode the bike to the east side of the goat ranch which was an abanded
baseball or soccer field ..hopeing that it might have come down in that
area, but no luck, it was somewhere within that goat ranch which
appeared to divided into several goat pastures ...but which pasture.
Now I figured it was time to go back to the car and get the Walston
tracker, all the while hoping that it was not in a tree or that some
goat was nibbling on it. Goats do that sort of thing. When I got back
to the field, my timer said he tracked it for 6 minutes, 12 seconds
before loosing sight of it in the distance. I returnd to the goat ranch
with the tracker and triangulated about where it was and which pasture
it was in. Tired to climb the fence which was about 5 feet high of
chicken wire laced with barbed wire and found it impossible. I was hot,
tired, and exhasted at this moment. I then rode up to the house on the
property but no one was home, except a friendly dog and a TV playing in
the barn. I attempted to open and go through one gate, but other gates
were wired or locked shut. It all seemed hopeless. My only solution now
was to go back to flying site and see if I could find someone agile
enough to climb that fence. My friend Mike Fedor volunteered. This time
we drove the van back to the site and had a chance to cool down a bit
with the air conditioner. Temperature was a muggy 95 with a heat index
about 100. Mike made it succesfully over the fence and returned about 5
minutes later with the model and a pair of torn shorts from the barbed
wire. Oh what a hectic morning this was. It took almost 2 hours on this
retrieval.
It was now just after 12 noon and the wind had picked up a bit and tine
for round two. Fuel up the Mini Prime Time, got a timer, started and
launched. This time it was a "normal" flight but came down after 2
minutes in an ajoining wheat field surrounded by barbed wire. Fred
Pierce, flying F1B, was standing nearby outside the fence and was
concerned about having a stroke getting into that field and retreiving
his model. He too looked exhausted and fatigued from the heat and
humiity. I hope he made out all right. Luckily, I knew about where I
came down and Steve Spence was already in the field recovering his F1A
when he picked up my model. I rode to the opposite side of the wheat
field and greeted Steve and then made it back to the flight line for
round 3.
Back at the flight line I decided to sit a bit in the shade and try to
recover with a cold drink of Gatoraide before round 3 and spent a few
minutes with Fred Carstens, parked next to me, who was adjusting one of
his F1J's. Next thing I knew, it started to rain and the wind picked up
blowing down several tents and causing a little havoc, the result of an
outflow boundry of a coming squall line. I quickly gathered some of my
equipment and put it back in the van. The rain lasted only a few minutes
but the wind continued, gusting perhaps up to 25-30 mph. Now I figured
this is it ...it all seemed hopeless to continue. Tired and fatigued, I
put the bike back in in the van, cleaned up and packed the model and
drove back home, hoping tomarrow would be a better day ...which it was
not. Got up the next morning and it was raining, and it lasted all day
long. All I could do is enjoy a good hot breakfast and relax from the
previous day's ordeal.
Ahh! The joys of free flight in Texas in the summer.
Don Simpkins
Frank Wolff
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Roger,
It is with great sadness that I must pass along the news that Frank Wolff
passed away June 16. Frank moved to Florida from New York many years ago but
still had many friends in the North East. Frank was a past member United
States F1C team and also flew F1A and F1B in his later years. He was active
in flying until almost his death even though his health was poor. We are all
certainly going to miss him and his love of flying here in Florida.
Jim Bradley
STING hlg prices
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Here is the list of current prices as per previous emails in respect of Len
Surtees models - excellent quality wood with a heck of an airplane will give
flights of great length and height. Prepare to max and max easily!!!!!
Best of thermals and if you ever want to talk hlgs - get me on my email
address or at the next comp and can talk for hours - just make sure there is
coffee in the area!
- Kevin
STING HAND LAUNCH GLIDER / CATAPULT GLIDER KITS
Kits
STING 18/21/24” (inches) – 18 doubles as a hand launch glider or catapult
glider with hook.
Fuselage comes fully assembled with top quality tilt carbon fibre
Lenytube tapered boom. STING 24 has a built up wing, please
Select either Polyspan or Mylar wing covering when ordering.
All wood is contest grade 6lb balsa. All kits come complete
AUS USA UK
with full size plans and a STING decal.
$30.00 $25.00 £15.00
Plans
All three plans, 18/21 & 24” plans for one price and includes
decal $10.00 $10.00 £5.00
COOLTUBE DT
Includes everything needed to bring your glider safely down.
Weighs approx 1 gram and only takes 15 seconds to reactivate
For the next flight
$15.00 $10.00 £5.00
Carbon fibre fuselage – Lenytubes
Very stiff, carbon and lightweight (3.5grams) fuselage tail booms.
Specify when ordering for which size model 18/21/24
Custom lengths available – please ask (excellent quality
none better).
$10.00 $10.00 £5.00
Composite tailplanes and fins and 24 inch hollow fibreglass wing available
soon. Currently testing composite materials which are showing excellent
results – however, are expensive materials and time consuming to manufacture
– will keep you posted.
Records & acheivements
STING 18 – Can be used as a hand launch glider or catapult glider – ideal
for beginners of all ages.
STING 21 - Currently holds the outdoor Australian record and has won 4
National titles.
STING 24 – Won the 2001 Heave Ho world postal event, The Jim Moseley 2001/2
world hlg postal
Won the 2002 Australian Nationals & 3rd at the British UK 2002 Nationals.
The designer
Len Surtees - The designer and manufacturer of the extremely successful
STING outdoor hand launch glider currently holds 4 Australian indoor
records, 3 World FAI – F1N(Indoor hlg) records. Len set an Australian
outdoor record in 1992 with
STING 21 and a new further record in 1998 which still stands to this day.
Ordering
Please send cash (if sending a cheque please add 10% to final total due to
bank fees) and wrap inside paper / order and mail direct to:
Len Surtees, 10 Woodbry Crescent, Tamworth, NSW 2340, Australia.
Email – This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. Fax – 02 676 176 92 - Prices include air
mail delivery world wide
NFFS Publications On Hold For Now
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Roger, would you please announce the following news:
"Bob McLinden, the proprietor of the NFFS Publications office, is now at home
recuperating from bypass surgery. Consequently, the ability of members and
free flight supporters to obtain back issues of the Symposium or other
publications is currently on hold until such time as Bob's recuperation
allows him to resume his duties, or we are able to find a suitable
replacement for him.
An announcement with such news will be carried on the NFFS Website
and in the Digest.
Thanks for your patience and understanding."
Bob Stalick
PS: If any member or fellow free flighter is interested in lending a hand
with this important duty, please contact Walt Rozelle or Bob Stalick ASAP.
HLG newsletter
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Gentleman
Since I posted the details of the STING model that Len Surtees has designed
and is now kitting, I have been asked lots of times about the newsletter
that I do every quarter or thereabouts for people that want to build and fly
hlgs and clgs. As I have not had anything concrete written down - its
possibly about time to tell you what I do as I seem to be saying it a lot in
different ways to others that contact me.
The purpose of the newsletter is to actively promote and assist people of
all ages to fly hlgs and clgs. Given this, I send out the newsletter
quarterly and in it I try and enclose the following -
: At least two plans - modern or vintage
: Some form of vintage section
: Promoting of adults and juniors to fly the classes
: Catapult models
: Kit reviews
: Results - when I get them
: Tips
: Who is doing what - where and when
: Indoor
: Postal events etc
: Some light hearted and serious fun
: To get all ages flying the classes - age not important - get to them young
and keep free flight alive.
The list is endless - I just want to get people flying the models - you do
not need to have an arm like a bodybuilder to throw a hlg - its technique
and anyone can fly clgs. It takes very little to pull back a loop of rubber
and send the model skywards. Whats the point of going someplace when its
blowing a gale and not fly anything - get a clg out and send it upwards and
enjoy it!
I have just sent out the current issue to all those that get it but it all
depends on what people are doing as to its content - therefore- two issues
are never the same.
I am starting the next one as we speak - however- I keep being asked to its
cost - so here is to the worst bit - cost is $15.00 US per year or £10.00
UK. Cash is best as it costs a fortune to process cheques. My address is as
follows -
33 Orchard Road
Crossgates
Leeds
LS15 7LP
Great Britain
Feel free to contact me on this email address or
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If you want to chat about hlgs or otherwise.
In the meantime - I live for the day that I may bring the world togteher
like the world champs and we may all fly hlgs and clgs together in one
incredible dream - or is it just that?
Best wishes ad thanks for taking the time to read this.
Kevin Moseley
Wing Incidences for Simple Rubber Models.
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Hello Roger,
Here's a little problem for the experts to discuss. I am referring to a
simple straightforward rubber powered model without any fancy trim changing
gadgets, in particular, a basic type of C d'H or F1G.
It would seem to me that, when the wing is on top of a high pylon, it
is quite possible to get optimum performance with it set at zero degrees
incidence relative to the fuselage datum line. With the wing set directly on
top of the fuselage or a very low pylon it appears that 2 or 3 degrees of
incidence are required, whilst it is apparently difficult to get a low
winger to climb with less than 5 or 6 degrees incidence, all other things
being equal.
Is there any theoretical explanation for this, or is it all just a mere
figment of my imagination?
Cheers,
John.
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Paul del Gatto
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Hello
I came across your website and thought you might be familiar with my
father's work. I am the youngest daughter to aeromodeller designer Paul Del
Gatto. My father was talented draftsman who worked for Jetco, Scientific,
Berkeley and many others in the 1950-60's until his untimely death. He was
alao frequent contributor to Model Flyer, Air Trails and other magazines.
Many of his plans are signed PDG.
Last summer, I came across pictures, info and a few online discussions
about my father's designs. My effort to understand why people where still
interested his work nearly 40 years later has subsequently has now turned
into an attempt to track down his contributions to this hobby and preserve
it for the family archives. Also, if I can uncover enough I might consider
constructing a website for those who are still interested in his work. So,
I am on a mission to try and collect as much info on his work history,
kits, plans, photos, correspondence, etc. as I can. It is an arduious task,
as I fear many of his peers have passed away and the magazines he wrote for
have changed hands, but whenever time permits I try to uncover what I can.
Are you or your fellow hobbists familiar with his work and did any of them
personally know him? If so, I would be greatly appreciate the opportunity
to speak with them.
I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you for your time.
Cheers
Christina DelGatto
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Roger Morrell
