SCAT Electronic News 6 Sept 1999
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SCAT Electronic News 6 Sept 1999
Table of Contents
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FAI FF History etc - Kaynes
Paper Bicycles - Uncle Tom Cobbly and All
Wobbeking Airfoil - Bradley
old [Italian] aeromodeller is looking
Thanks - Tina Brush
BOM in Bosnia - Iele
Extremely Small Field Flying - Bauer
W/C result & E/C result - Liem
Reflections - Achterberg
Information Depriavtion
Canadaian Contest - Schlosberg
FAI FF History
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Roger
In your comment on Phil Smith noticing the W/Ch results on the FAI web
site, you forgot one important contribution to the multi-national effort
- that the comments were going to and from a useful service run by an
American!
On the subject of the FAI web site, I am in the middle of posting the
COMPLETE Free Flight Championships results since the FAI gave the events
Championship status in 1951.
I will confirm when I have finished. There may be a few gaps which I will
ask for help filling.
Ian
[Ian, I remember a SCAT dinner a few years back where Lee Hines
and Dick Gildersleeve had a contest seeing who
could remember Champs results back to the
50's. I think that they must have been cheating, no normal person
would remember all that stuff ..Also we still have a some people
here who took part in those events, including original SCAT
memeber Bob Wielhe who was on the US Glider team in the 50's.]
Paper Bicycles
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Staionery bike
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Hardy:
This is the thing you ride when you go to buy notepaper.
(fondling engines??)
bernie.
Stationery Bike
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I have a stationery bike 'even rode it a couple of times. I stopped riding
it when I found the senery never changes.
Thermals
B. Goodnow
Stationary Bike
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Hardy,
I think what Pierre's looking for is an "exercise" bike. One you can put in
front of the television and ride while you're fondling an engine! My wife
likes to hang her blouses on the handlebars to air dry. That doesn't impede
me while I fondle an engine and pedal while watching T.V.!
Fred
Bikes again
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Roger
We have worked this over a lot, there is no need to publish this, unless you
may think it's fun:
Brun asked for a 'stationary' bicycle. What he really wants is a
SATATIONERY bicycle. Appenently wants to peddle papers. Almost any
dictionary.....
Unless....unless....heaven forbid, you made a typo !
Better look at his original communication. eh?
And, to add insult, - I was not alert to the spelling distinction.
Then, Ross Jahnke quotes another dictionary with a Stationary Bicycle.
Anyway, Brun can't have my Fat Cat. I plan to ride the thing into the
sunset.
Many thanks for your service to us who love international class modelling.
Brokenspar
[as Hardy suggests this the end of this discussion .. but I do
have a Fat Cat for sale]
Wobbeking Airfoil
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Roger,
Maybe someone out there can help me. I am looking for the coordinates for
the Wobbeking stab airfoil. You can E-mail the information to:
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Jim Bradley
old aeromodeller (fwd)
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Roger,
your list readers might give Valeri more info that I could?
-Tapio-
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:19:00 +0200
From: Alvaro Valeri
Subject: old aeromodeller
I'm an old Italian aeromodeller. I built many rubber models (Wakefield and
Coupu d'Hiver). I'd like to know if free flight is still practiced in the
world and specifically in Italy.
So please send me any useful references - names, magazines web sites.
Thanks in advance.
Alvaro Valeri.
Thanks
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Roger.....
I just wanted to says thank you for all your effort, extra hours
outside of your work and long distance calls to Israel (I understand
from Bob White) on trying keep us posted on the Championships.
[Tina, I'm glad that you appreiated it - Batiuk did not
sound so appreciative when I woke him up!]
It was nice to have an `inside line.' I know this is very time
consuming for you
You are appreciated!
[ It was a team effort to do it..]
Al & Tina
P.S. Al is in Canada for a contest.....that is why he was not flying
at Elsinore today....you probably knew that though. Wish I could have
gone with him but he kept me chained to the computer for this trip.
Need to make money for his `America Cup circuit" contests you know.
See you in a couple of weeks at Vegas.
[Tina, I see from the results we just got that Al won that contest.
So does that mean you keep on sponsoring him! You have make
time to fly your own F1Bs.]
BOM etc
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Roger:
Regarding my previous message, and your answer:
My intentions were not to start a B.O.M discussion.
Of course I give all the deserved credit to those who did it so well,
winning both team prizes.
I am sure I couldn't win at Monaco even with Schumacher's Ferrari.
But my personal choice, shared by many others I know, is to compete only
with models built by myself.
Trying to be succesful with my own creations is what gives me pleasure in
this game.
I repeat, that is personal, and I didn't want to offend to those who don't
share this feeling.
Regards
Daniel
[ Daniel, you did not offend any one. I think your [and others] objectives
are commendable, and in many respects give you a competative advantage,
provided you can execute. I also think that a personal objective
such as yours is the most satisfing because you do not have to
justify to anyone except yourself which parts you will buy. For example
I have a personal objective in that I would not buy any one else's
electronic timer - while you are probably comfortable in
buying a timer ! either electronic or mechanical.
My concern is not with comments from active particpants like your
self but from some non-participants [or nolonger-particpants] who seem
to have the power to change or at least significantly influence
the direction of our rules.
When you look at it on paper with out knowing the particpants or what
can be involved in getting a bought model to fly to your liking - One can
say "Hey you know 3 guys from Boznia just bought a bunch of planes
and cleaned up the team prize". The implication is that if 3 guys
from Boznia, a small country, with a it's share of
problems these days -[no disrespect intended to that country] then
any one can do it !
Which is not the case, picking on the USA F1A team, again no disrespect
intended but Jim, Brian and Steve you three came to mind, when I looked
down at my t-shirt. The person who did the best and made the fly off built
his own models, including the electronic timer. The other
two who have some of their own models and some from Victor Stamov
and worked very hard getting ready did, not do so well. All three are
good flyers and come from a nation that has more money and resources
that little Bosnia.
I try not to editorialize too often and appolgise if you felt that I was being
harsh, you had done something wrong or offended me, that was not the case.]
Extremely Small Field Flying
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Roger-
Here's some news I'd thought I'd share:
Extremely Small Field Flying
I'm rather excited about some flying I've done the last couple weeks.
My extremely busy life has limited my activity in free flight
to only a few trips to the big fields, but I've just done some
significant flying with an F1A glider on a schoolyard soccer field
only a couple miles from my house.
This flying was made possible by using a radio device to DT the model
at exactly the right moment to get it to come down on the
small field. Many may know that I've been fooling around with this
idea occasionally for several years. I know that many others
have already got similar systems working. I've had little time to work on the
project over the years, and the one model that I
equipped with the system a couple years ago has had many mechanical
problems and has gone through wings & stabs, etc., so I never
got a chance to test this system. Well I finally got that model
together and decided to take the plunge and see if I could really
do some test flying in a small space. It worked!
What is exciting for me is the personal pleasure of flying on a grass
sports field close to home. I can leave my house, make 5 or 6
flights, and be back home in an hour or two! Local people walking
by stop and watch the flying so there is a little exposure that
doesn't happen in the middle of the desert. Kids come by & ask
questions. Maybe its because my first years of modeling was spent
flying control line models on the grass of schoolyards, (since there's
been talk of Weiler's C/L frolics, I'll say that I flew stunt
models - Buster, Cosmic Wind, Chipmunk, combat - Winder, Voodoo,
Vampire, originals, & speed too) but there is just something magic
about that nice mowed grass. Grass is also clean & easy to run on.
Turns out there is a science to flying on this field without
damaging the model. I've found one school that I like because all the
baseball backstops and other obstacles are in the corners,
leaving grass the size of a couple soccer fields uninterrupted in the
middle. There is chain link fence all the way around of course and
all the buildings are on one side. A nice feature is that one
side of the field is bordered by another empty field so I have the
option of DT -ing on either side of that fence if I need to.
So the typical flight is to tow up and position myself in the
upwind area of the best part of the field. (By the way, I've come up
with a very simple self launching device - a couple of grocery
bags filled up with lightweight foam packing "peanuts". I set 2
small cardboard boxes on the ground about a meter apart and then
set the lightweight bags on top of each. The model is then set
down such that each wing is on one of the bags at about the
dihedral joint. The model rests there with it's nose up and the tail on
the ground. When pulled by the towline the 2 lightweight bags
just fall away while the model takes off!) Anyway, after launching
the glider I will observe that part of the glide circle is
nearly always over an obstacle such as the fence around the field. I
wait for the moment when the glider is over a good part of the
field, then push the button on the tiny transmitter I've been
carrying in my pocket and the model DTs right down where
I want it... most of the time.
I've quickly found out that it is not always easy to know when
to push the button. I've had 2 close calls so far in about 20
flights. Once when the model's circle was more off the field than on,
I pushed the button when it was just inside the field. It
came down and hit the baseball backstop on the edge of the field,
but fortunately only had a few scratches. There was a street with
no traffic on the other side of this fence, so I realized I should
have waited and hit the button there.
I usually fly only in calm conditions. However, on another occasion
I launched the model in a nice thermal but the turbulence
immediately put the model right over the school buildings. It so
happened that this was orientation day at the Junior High so all
the halls were filled with parents and kids. I did not want to DT
the model right over the school so I waited, wandering around the
school looking up at the model while a bunch of kids were trying to
figure out what I was doing. The model was slowly drifting over
the buildings. The model's DT timer was set to go off at 3 minutes
if the button wasn't pushed - I was wishing I had left this even
longer. The model finally drifted just over the buildings when
the 3 minute time expired and the model DT'ed itself. It landed
safely just a few feet clear of a classroom.
I won't go into any details about the radio for now, except to
say it is NOTHING like an RC system. More like a garage door opener.
Receiver responds only once when it hears a unique digital code.
I'm still working on a smaller, lighter system. Most of all, I
just wanted to convey the fun I've had flying with this setup.
Thermals, Ken
Ken Bauer
Airtek Engineering
909-393-9889
Fax: 603-697-1065
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W/C result & E/C result
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Hi Roger,
thanks for referring us to the complete results of the championschips on
the FAI website. It is indeed interesting to read the full result. What
I have noticed is the results on the E/C for juniors in the F1J class.
Why is there only 5 rounds ? while F1A and F1B were flown in 7 rounds
and I thought that the max for F1J is 2 minutes, but the result shows
that they were flying 5 x 180 rounds. Maybe Ian Kaynes have the answer.
By the way, Thanks for the very good work you are doing to keep us
updated.
Edmund Liem
Reflections
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Fellow Modelers;
It is always interesting how people come out of the wood work to post
negative opinions about someone winning with bought model products. Are
these the same people who crawled through an under ground tunnel,
crossed enemy lines, and walked through mine fields to compete in the
World Champs in Hungary in 1995. If these friends are not dedicated
aeromodelers and true sportman, nobody is!!!! Do we not all buy
something on our models? How many people actually make every part? F1C,
as an example; don't most of the flyers buy engines, timers, and mounts?
They are every bit as important as the air frame, but nobody complains
when the new Nelson they just bought turns 29,000rpm . The point of this
is simple-do you want flyers and competition when you go to a contest or
do you want to win by default because nobody else was there? But you
built your own model; too bad no one was there to enjoy it with you!!
Aeromodeling has evolved into a sport of competition and a fraternity of
fellowship. It is a great fraternity to be a part of and it is a world
wide fraternity of fellowship with the common interest ofaeromodeling.
We should all consider ourselves lucky to have so many fine people
involved in our sport and so many friends to fly with in whatever
fashion befits them, whether they build all, part, or none of the model
they just competed with!!! You know the joking and ribbing goes both
ways!!! Bob Waterman said once" Yes, I bought this model with my very
own money", then preceded to go out and smack it. And I couldn't resist
saying that I was glad it wasn't my money!! But at least he was there
competing and entertaining us!! Think about what you have gained and all
the new friends you have made by not having the BOM.
Hope to read some more positive comments in the future!! Life is to
short for all the negative grap; let us make our sport the foundation of
positive and progressive fellowship!
Thermals,
Michael Achterberg
Information Deprivation
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[For those who missed their info fix , shame on you you should
have been out flying this weekend.
.. The reason why we have so much stuff is that
I was actually out flying at the San Diego Orbiteers contest at Lost
Hills - I was not with the diehard World/America's Cup contendors at
Zulpich, Hart's Lake or Camp Borden .. we will have some results
from Lost Hills next issue .. and hopefully from those other places too.
We did have free ice cream, served by the Orbiteers Club Officers and
spouses - very much appreciated ]
Canadian Contest
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Roger,
Canadian Contest: Camp Borden Sep 4-6
After a hiatus of a number of years, an American Cup contest was held at
Camp Borden, which is a large military base north of Toronto, with Dave
Sugden as contest director, with the assistance of Jerry McGlashin. Mini
events were held on Saturday. The major FAI events had two rounds on
Saturday, beginning at 3:00 PM, and five more on Sunday morning. The winds
were light and varied and Sunday was overcast with some drizzle. One
wakefield flew into the surrounding woods on Saturday evening, and was
retrieved next morning. The results for the majors are:
F1A: (8 flew)
1. Chuck Markos 1233
2. Mike McNahon 1222
3. Tzevtan Tzvetkov 1146
F1B: (8 flew)
1. Al Brush 1380+146
2. Doug Rowsell 1380
3. Paul Crowley 1340
F1C (5 flew)
1. Frank Schlachta 1380+383
2. Dave Halliday 1380+234
3. Andrei Kirilinko 1354
This was a good opportunity to hear first hand impressions about the world
championship in Israel from Peter Allnutt. Furthermore, the Canadians might
hold this event next year as a World Cup. On a personal note the area
hotels as well as gas are not cheap. In addition, we were surprised to
learn that our time is not eligible for the team selection process.
Aram
[ Aram, it probably counts for the Canadian team :-) and Gil Morris
did confirm that on these very pages a few days back.
but its great news about making a World Cup Contest ...
hey maybe we could the Mexians to have one at Tj or one
of the border towns near Texas ! all in the spirit of NAFTA]
...................
Roger Morrell
