Table of Contents - SEN 2168

1. Home built. Really!
2. Home built. Really!
3. Not so keen on the electronic (altimeter)  timing
4. AM Cup Update
5. Looking for the lightest Carbon cloth

 F1P v F1J
From: Bob Stalick
 
 F1P v F1J
As a long time observer of both pf these events, and an occasional flyer of both, and as an observer/reporter of the recent Jr. WChamps in Macedonia, I'd like to offer my opinion on this "controversy".
First off, it is my observation that youngsters get into flying power models by first flying Stardusters or other TD powered AMA gas models. The majority of these do not have auto surfaces of any kind, and they are generally quite forgiving on the launch. Since youngsters are still developing the necessary motor skills to allow them to be coordinated, the easier the model is to trim and fly, the better. F1J models are not forgiving to these erratic launches, and I've noted that even the more sophisticated F1P modes suffer a similar fate. At the Macedonia Jr WCh, a number of models suffered poor launches and did not recove well. The most consistent model was Alex Stalick's Astrostar. It didn't have the fastest climb, but it recovered from less gthan perfect launches very well, and it had the best glide on the field even though it was 50 grams overweight.
The Astrostar began life as an AMA gas model. The Secor Astrostar is an upgrade to that model design. 
F1P is OK as is. The more complicated it gets, the more it becomes difficult to fly. F1J is proof of that.
F1C is not far behind.

Home built. Really!

With the exception of Blake, Gill, Walt, Jean and myself who builds their models anymore?
And to be truthful Walt and I build very little of the model.. So that leaves Gil, Blake and Jean Pallet who still bull there own..
And do the juniors want yo build? No! It's a buy and fly world.. Free flight would already went the way of the dinosaurs about 20 yrs ago if it weren't for the model factories..
Austin dud a poll at Jr. WC when this was purposed. The Jr.s voted 100% No!!!  Then they had the next Jr. WC where they allowed both and F1p got a longer motor run at the contest. And even with longer motor run not one F1p....
Actually,I designed one for Austin to prove it was a bad idea. We took an old 4 panel F1j and he built a wing to short span to size using D box section from old wing. The wing was about 4% thick cause of wide chord.   Put tiplets on it to control speed. Weighed something like 5.5oz. all up. As I told him it would,  literally almost went out of site straight up in 10 sec.. The event designed for juniors was not wanted and the entrees show that they rejected it as No fun...
Thermals, Dino


Not so keen on the electronic (altimeter)  timing

 
From: John Carter
 
Hi just to say it's worrying to see that we are even thinking of using electronics altimeters to time official flights .I am not a Luddite but having been flying models in competition for 50 yrs or more I can not see the problem . Moving in this direction will just put more people off our great sport and past time my advise leave well alone 


John Carter UK 


AmCup Update

From: Jim Parker


 I've gotten some request for an update so here is a quick out put. There are some missing contests. 
Ron McBurnett is sending be the NWFFC-Tangent results. Two or three Wayawanda and the Canadian Cup results are missing. 
I searched SEN and my email for them but came up empty. It is very possible I missed them, nevertheless would the CD's please resend them please. 
I'll do another update when I get them. Corrections to <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

America Cup results - with individual placings

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 15 
Ike 17 
NAC 14 
MM 19 
SCA 5 
SAN 7 
NCA 0 
Srn 4 
BAl 4 
Spe -x- 
Hcu 3 
HIC 0 
CEN 7 
TUI 3 
I-C 1 
SKA 0 
HC 4 
Can 0 
FFF 0 
NAT 5 
NWF 0 
NW 5 
O&W 0 
Bro 2 


F1A
1 Rosenzweig, Shlomi 91 SWR-1 SCA-4* SAN-4* CEN-2 TUI-1 NW -3
2 Bauer, Ken 90 SWR-4 NAC-2 MM-1 BAl-1* NW -2
2 Danier, Jama 90 Ike-1 MM-4 HC-2 NAT-1
4 McKeever, Mike 86 SCA-1 BAl-2 NAT-3 NW -1
5 VanNest, Brian 80 SWR-3 Ike-4* NAC-4 MM-2 CEN-5* TUI-2 NAT-4*
6 Lorbiecki, John E 70 Hcu-1 I-C-1 Bro-2
7 Limberger, Rene 66 Ike-2 NAC-5* SCA-2 BAl-3* NAT-2
8 Shitrit, Nir 55 Ike-3 NAC-1 SCA-5* SAN-5 BAl-4*
9 Pecenkovic, Enes 46 MM-3 CEN-1
10 Markos, Chuck 45 Hcu-2 NAT-5* Bro-1
10 Parker, Jim 45 SWR-5 Ike-5* NAC-3 SAN-3
12 Brocks, Peter 36 CEN-4 TUI-3 NW -4
13 Allnutt, Peter 31 SCA-3 HC-3
14 Farmer, Joey 25 SWR-2
14 Nikolajeras, Vidas 25 HC-1
14 Bevan, Dave 25 Srn-1
14 Secor, Randy 25 SAN-1
18 Spence, Steve 20 Srn-2
18 Thompson, Mike 20 SAN-2
20 McQuade, Pete 16 CEN-3
21 Sifleet, Bob 15 Hcu-3
21 Fedor, Cade 15 Srn-3
23 Barron, Andrew 10 MM-5
23 Farkas, Leslie 10 HC-4
23 Hanford, Bob 10 Srn-4
26 Brun, Pierre 5 NW -5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 11 
Ike 23 
NAC 19 
MM 23 
SCA 5 
SAN 7 
NCA 0 
Srn -x- 
BAl 6 
Spe -x- 
Hcu 3 
HIC 0 
CEN 4 
TUI 4 
I-C 5 
SKA 0 
HC 5 
Can 0 
FFF 0 
NAT 19 
NWF 0 
NW 3 
O&W 0 
Bro 7 


F1B
1 Booth, Bill 99 SWR-1 SAN-1 BAl-2 NW -1
2 Mathews, Tony 80 Ike-2 HC-1 NAT-1
3 Ghio, Walt 78 SWR-2 Ike-4* NAC-2 MM-1 SAN-2*
4 Jensen, Blake 76 NAC-5 SCA-1 CEN-3 TUI-1
5 Morrell, Roger 74 SWR-5 MM-5 BAl-4 CEN-1 TUI-2
6 Jones, Charles 64 SWR-4 Ike-5 SCA-4 Hcu-2 I-C-4
7 Schlosberg, Aram 60 NAC-3 MM-3 HC-5 NAT-4
7 Simon, Evan 60 Hcu-1 I-C-1 NAT-5
9 MacCleery, Rich 57 I-C-3 NAT-2 Bro-3
10 Andriukov, Alex 55 Ike-1 MM-2 BAl-3*
11 Pivonka, Jace (jr) 53 SWR-3 CEN-2 TUI-3
12 Jones, Ryan 48 SCA-2 I-C-2 Bro-5
13 Simon, Greg 47 Hcu-3 I-C-5 Bro-1
14 Felix, Ron 45 NAC-1 HC-3
15 Richardson, Mike 37 SCA-3 SAN-3 BAl-5
16 Malkhasyan, Sevak (jr) 36 SAN-4 BAl-1
17 Schroedter,Martin 35 Ike-3 MM-4
18 Joyner, Louis 22 Bro-2
19 Murrell, Lindy 20 CEN-4 TUI-4
19 Horak, Ladi 20 HC-2
19 McGluckin, Derek 20 NW -2
19 VanNest, Brian 20 NAT-3
23 Ioerger, Tom 15 NAC-4
23 Gannon, Bill 15 NW -3
25 Gerspacher, Kyle (jr) 12 Bro-4
26 Ackerley, Cameron 10 HC-4
27 Davis, Mike 6 SCA-5
28 Ulm, Allan 5 SAN-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 1 
Ike 8 
NAC 6 
MM 8 
SCA 1 
SAN 2 
NCA 0 
Srn 2 
BAl 4 
Spe 2 
Hcu 0 
HIC 0 
CEN 1 
TUI 1 
I-C -x- 
SKA 0 
HC 1 
Can 0 
FFF 0 
NAT 4 
NWF 0 
NW 2 
O&W 0 
Bro -x- 

F1C
1 Parker, Faust 118 SWR-1 NAC-1 MM-1 Srn-1* Spe-1 NAT-3
2 Mathis, Dick 58 Ike-1 NAC-2 MM-3* NAT-4
3 Etherington, Chuck 50 CEN-1 TUI-1
3 Shvedenkov, Yury 50 HC-1 NAT-1
3 Malkhasyan, Taron 50 SAN-1 BAl-1
6 Roberts, Mike 48 Ike-4* NAC-3 MM-2 BAl-4
6 Mc Burnett, Ron 48 Ike-2 NAC-5 NW -2
6 Morris, Gil 48 Ike-3 NAC-4 MM-5* Hcu-1 NAT-2
9 Carroll, Ed 45 SCA-1 SAN-2 BAl-3*
10 Shepard, Jessie 40 Srn-2 Spe-2
11 Booth, Bill 25 NW -1
12 Mennano 20 BAl-2
13 Chesson, Don 19 Ike-5 MM-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR -x- 
Ike 1 
NAC -x- 
MM 2 
SCA -x- 
SAN -x- 
NCA 0 
Srn 1 
BAl -x- 
Spe -x- 
Hcu -x- 
HIC 0 
CEN -x- 
TUI -x- 
I-C -x- 
SKA 0 
HC -x- 
Can 0 
FFF 0 
NAT 2 
NWF 0 
NW 0 
O&W 0 
Bro 1 


F1P
1 Hanford, Bob 75 Srn-1 NAT-1 Bro-1
2 Malkhasyan, Sevak(jr) 45 Ike-1 MM-2
3 Schneider, Glen 25 MM-1
4 Ashwort, Hatden (jr) 20 NAT-2

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 12 
Ike 7 
NAC -x- 
MM 8 
SCA 5 
SAN 1 
NCA 0 
Srn -x- 
BAl 2 
Spe -x- 
Hcu 1 
HIC 0 
CEN 5 
TUI 4 
I-C 2 
SKA 0 
HC -x- 
Can 0 
FFF 0 
NAT 18 
NWF 0 
NW 0 
O&W 0 
Bro 3 

F1G
1 O'Dell, Tiffaney 100 SWR-1 Ike-1 MM-5* SCA-1 CEN-3* TUI-2
2 Brocks, Peter 72 SWR-5 Ike-2 MM-2 CEN-2 TUI-3*
3 Jones, Ryan 65 SCA-2 I-C-1 Bro-2
4 Richardson, Mike 64 SWR-3 Ike-5* MM-4* SCA-3* SAN-1 BAl-2
5 DeLoach, Don 49 SWR-4 CEN-4 TUI-1
6 Allen, Carrol 42 MM-1 NAT-4
7 Markos, Chuck 40 Hcu-1 Bro-3
8 Jones, Geralyn 36 Ike-4 Bro-1
9 Pykelny, Mike 35 SCA-4 BAl-1
9 Ioerger, Tom 35 CEN-1 TUI-4
11 Jensen, Blake 33 Ike-3 MM-3
12 Gerspacher, Kyle 30 NAT-1
13 Jones, Charlie 25 SCA-5 I-C-2
13 Matsuno, Chris 25 NAT-2
15 Booth, Bill 24 SWR-2
16 Horak, Ladi 20 NAT-3
17 Jones, Darold 10 CEN-5 TUI-5
17 VanNest, Brian 10 NAT-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 5 
Ike 7 
NAC -x- 
MM 5 
SCA 1 
SAN -x- 
NCA 0 
Srn -x- 
BAl 1 
Spe -x- 
Hcu 1 
HIC 0 
CEN 4 
TUI 3 
I-C -x- 
SKA 0 
HC -x- 
Can 0 
FFF 0 
NAT 5 
NWF 0 
NW 0 
O&W 0 
Bro -x- 


F1H
1 VanNest, Brian 91 SWR-3 Ike-1 MM-3* CEN-1 TUI-1
2 McKeever, Mike 86 SWR-2 Ike-3 MM-4* BAl-1 NAT-1
3 Jensen, Blake 85 SWR-1 Ike-4* MM-1 CEN-4* TUI-3 NAT-2
4 Sifleet, Bob 71 Ike-5 MM-5* Hcu-1 CEN-2 TUI-2
5 Parker, Jim 50 SWR-5 MM-2 SCA-1
6 Bauer, Ken 31 SWR-4 Ike-2
7 Powell, Chuck 30 CEN-3 NAT-3
8 Pailet, Jean 10 NAT-4
9 mattson, Hailey 5 NAT-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 5 
Ike 2 
NAC -x- 
MM 2 
SCA -x- 
SAN -x- 
NCA 0 
Srn 3 
BAl -x- 
Spe 2 
Hcu 1 
HIC 0 
CEN -x- 
TUI -x- 
I-C 1 
SKA 0 
HC -x- 
Can 0 
FFF 0 
NAT 4 
NWF 0 
NW 0 
O&W 0 
Bro 1 


F1J
1 Parker, Faust 100 SWR-1 Ike-1 MM-1* Srn-2* Spe-1 NAT-1
2 Lorbiecki, John E 50 Hcu-1 I-C-1 NAT-2* Bro-1*
3 Scheinder, Glenn 40 SWR-2 MM-2
4 Parker, Jim 35 Srn-3 Spe-2
5 Fedor, Mike 25 Srn-1
6 Roberts, Mike 20 Ike-2
7 Bartick, Don 15 SWR-3
7 Ashworth, Hayden(jr) 15 NAT-3
9 Boyd. Ray 10 SWR-4
9 Pailet, Jean 10 NAT-4
11 Pangell, Rick 5 SWR-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 3 
Ike 5 
NAC 3 
MM 4 
SCA 1 
SAN -x- 
NCA 0 
Srn 1 
BAl 1 
Spe 1 
Hcu 1 
HIC 0 
CEN 3 
TUI 1 
I-C -x- 
SKA 0 
HC -x- 
Can 0 
FFF 0 
NAT 14 
NWF 0 
NW 0 
O&W 0 
Bro -x- 


F1Q
1 Murphy, Jack 95 SWR-2 Ike-2* NAC-1 MM-1 CEN-1* TUI-1 NAT-4*
2 Parker, Julie 80 SWR-3 Ike-5* NAC-3 Srn-1 Spe-1 NAT-5*
3 Pykelny, Mike 50 SCA-1 BAl-1
4 Schlosberg, Aram 35 NAC-2 MM-3
5 Mecham, Allan 30 Ike-4 CEN-2
5 Ivers, Rich A 30 NAT-1
7 Mecham, Allan 25 SWR-1
7 Ivers, Dick J 25 Ike-1
7 Sifleet, Bob 25 Hcu-1
7 Coffin, James 25 NAT-2
11 Hines, Lee 20 MM-2
11 Tomasch, Andrew 20 NAT-3
13 Crowe,Bernie 15 Ike-3
13 Murphy, Jerry 15 CEN-3
15 Tarcher, Ben 10 MM-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR -x- 
Ike 7 
Cal 6 
MM -x- 
SCA -x- 
SAN -x- 
NCA -x- 
Srn -x- 
BAl -x- 
Spe -x- 
Hcu -x- 
HIC 0 
CEN -x- 
TUI -x- 
I-C -x- 
SKA 0 
HC -x- 
Can -x- 
FFF 0 
NAT -x- 
NWF 0 
NW 0 
O&W 0 
Bro -x- 


F1E
1 Sifleet, Bob 52 Ike-1 Cal-1
2 Brocks, Peter 42 Ike-2 Cal-2
3 Terzian, Fred 27 Ike-4 Cal-3
4 Richardson, Mike 16 Ike-3
5 Ioerger, Tom 12 Ike-5 Cal-5
6 Jones, Geralyn 11 Cal-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 7 
Ike 9 
NAC -x- 
MM 5 
SCA 1 
SAN 3 
NCA 0 
Srn 1 
BAl 1 
Spe 1 
Hcu 0 
HIC 0 
CEN 3 
TUI 4 
I-C -x- 
SKA 0 
HC -x- 
Can 0 
FFF 0 
NAT 8 
NWF 0 
NW 0 
O&W 0 
Bro -x- 


F1S
1 Hines, Lee 94 SWR-1 Ike-3* MM-2 SAN-3* CEN-2 NAT-1
2 Parker, Julie 83 SWR-5* MM-1 Srn-1 Spe-1 NAT-5
3 Murphy, Jack 69 SWR-3 MM-4 TUI-2 NAT-2
4 Ray, Ralph 58 SWR-2 Ike-4 SAN-1
5 DeLoach, Don 47 Ike-5 CEN-1 TUI-3
6 Gewain, Matt 45 SCA-1 SAN-2
7 Murphy, Jerry 40 CEN-3 TUI-1
8 Tarcher, Ben 30 MM-5 BAl-1
9 Ivers, Dick J 27 Ike-1
10 Brooks, Clint 22 Ike-2
11 Mecham, Allan 21 SWR-4 TUI-4
12 Brooks, Clint 18 NAT-3
13 Malkhasyan, Sevak (jr) 15 MM-3
14 Hooke, Drake 13 NAT-4
15 0 

Looking for the lightest Carbon cloth
 
Hi Roger,
Is anyone in the FF space has the info on lightest carbon fiber  cloth.
Weight, Cost and where to get it?
Thanks all
Arik Donde



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Roger Morrell