SEN 2557 - Looking at the Cup points
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Looking at the Cup points
Looking at World Cup points in 3 parts
SidusG2 Altimeter Readout
My personal opinion about new point allocation rules for Free Flight World Cup Contests-Part I
From: Ismet Yurtseven
When FAI Free Flight World Cup 2019 results updated by Mr. Ian Kaynes, I realized that the point allocation rules were completely changed. http://www.freeflightnews.org.uk/wcup/WC19/WCP19F1.HTM
I want to share my opinion about the new rules. First of all, I have to say that my purpose is not to compare the sportsmen and is not to criticize the rules. I am trying to understand which way is better to evaluate the performance of a sportsmen. I am using the current World Cup result list because current F1A ranking is a very good example to see the effect of the new point allocation system.
FAI World Cup 2019 top positions for class F1A
FAI ID points competition results
1 Per Findahl SWE 24737 1443 MM-2 KW-2 NA-6
2 Aviv Balassiano ISR 78419 1407 NA-2 MM-3 KW-7
3 John Carter GBR 29438 1244 KW-1 MM-4 NA-13
4 Jama Danier CAN 26753 1163 MM-1 NA-1 KW-20
5 Jim Parker USA 89827 988 NA-3 KW-5 MM-24
6 Jes Nyhegn DEN 17200 917 KW-3 NA-5
At Lost Hills, Jama won 2 big contests (Pan American Cup and MaxMen). He was 20th at Kiwi Cup. In world cup results list, now he is placed to fourth place. If we allocate the points using the old rules, he should be in first place.
Using the new rules, according to my calculation, he should be 9th at Kiwi Cup to be placed in the first place in World Cup ranking. If he was tenth at Kiwi Cup, then he should be placed second place. As a summary, a competitor with 2nd, 2nd and 6th places are getting more points than the competitor with 1st, 1st and 10th places.
The question is: What is the value of winning in strong contests against strong competitors?
In my opinion, assigning the number of points in a linearly decreasing manner will not fairly show the performance of the competitors. I think, getting 1st, 1st and 10th places are higher success than getting 2nd, 2nd and 6th places.
I know that it is highly difficult to find a way to express the performance of a competitor in terms of points. I respect to new rules and all different ideas. And thanks to Mr. Kaynes for his great contribution to free flight and World Cups.
Regards,
Ismet Yurtseven
My personal opinion about FAI Free Flight World Cup Rules 2019 - Points Allocation – Part II
From: Ismet Yurtseven
My personal opinion about FAI Free Flight World Cup Rules 2019 - Points Allocation – Part II
There was a need for some small improvements in the old rules but I am worry there may be the possibility of more problems in the new rules. I don’t want to bother you with long details, but I want to show one of the cases.
Assume that there are two contests: Contest-1 with 50 participants and Contest-2 with 10 participants.
Assume that Sportsmen-A and Sportsmen-B met in these contests and the following results occurred:
Contest-1 (50 participants) Contest-2 (10 participants)
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1-Sportsman-A 1-Sportsman-B
2-Sportsman-B 2-Sportsman-A
3..50 Remaining participants 3..10 Remaining participants
After these results, independent of the number of participants, in any point allocation methodology, Sportsmen-A and Sportsmen-B should earn the same number of points.
(Note: In case of allocating points for full max, allocating points for max in flyoff and allocating points depending on similar performance criteria, the results may differ, but this is another situation)
Now look at the situation:
Previous method for points allocation (used in 2018 and previous years):
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Sportsman-A: (Contest-1: 500 + 49 = 549) + (Contest-2: 400 + 8 = 408) = 957 points
Sportsman-B: (Contest-1: 400 + 48 = 448) + (Contest-2: 500 + 9 = 509) = 957 points
New method for points allocation (used in 2019):
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Sportsman-A: (Contest-1: 500 + 49 + 13 = 562) + (Contest-2: 400 + 8 = 408) = 970 points
Sportsman-B: (Contest-1: 480 + 48 = 528) + (Contest-2: 500 + 9 + 3 = 512) = 1040 points
As you see, the previous methodology is generating same number of points for both of the competitors. New methodology is generating different number of points. And, more interestingly, winner of the smaller contest beats the winner of the bigger contest. My believing is this is a kind of logic error.
Regards,
Ismet Yurtseven
My personal opinion about FAI Free Flight World Cup Rules 2019 – For clarification, one more example – Part 3
From: Ismet Yurtseven
My personal opinion about FAI Free Flight World Cup Rules 2019 – For clarification, one more example – Part 3
I shared my opinion in Facebook and some different replies received. In order to me more clear, I want to give one more example:
Contest-1 (50 participants) Contest-2 (10 participants)
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1-Sportsman-A 1-Sportsman-X
2-Sportsman-X 2-Sportsman-B
3-Sportsman-Y 3-Sportsman-A
4-Sportsman-Z 4..10 Remaining participants
5-Sportsman-B
6..50 Remaining participants
Now, look at the situation:
Previous method for points allocation (used in 2018 and previous years):
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Sportsman-A: (Contest-1: 500 + 49 = 549) + (Contest-2: 300 + 7 = 307) = 856 points
Sportsman-B: (Contest-1: 200 + 45 = 245) + (Contest-2: 400 + 8 = 408) = 653 points
New method for points allocation (used in 2019):
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Sportsman-A: (Contest-1: 500 + 49 + 13 = 562) + (Contest-2: 300 + 7 = 307) = 869 points
Sportsman-B: (Contest-1: 420 + 45 = 465) + (Contest-2: 400 + 8 = 408) = 873 points
Is there any mistake that I cannot see in my calculations? I hope, I am interpreting the rules incorrectly.
According to new rules, after Contest-1 and Contest-2, Sportsman-B have more points than Sportsman-A.
Would you decide that if this result is fair or not!
Regards,
Ismet Yurtseven
SidusG2 Altimeter Readout
From: ffelectronics
Hello Roger,
thank you in advance for publishing the ad below on SEN newsletter:
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It has internal LiPo and integrated microUSB recharge socket. It has only one push button and a multi color LED, along with the popular IR beam transceiver in the front side (like any Sidus programmer) and built-in Bluetooth low energy (BLE) module.
It must be initially paired to the phone/tablet through a simple procedure.
How to use: after model landing the sportsman just opens the App on his phone/tablet, aims the BTBox to the SidusG2 timer IR window on the model, and pushes the button to retrieve the flight data: information is quickly transferred and plotted to the phone display and it is available for detailed analysis, comparison, storing, sharing etc.
Two dedicated Apps are currently available:
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Some photos and screenshots are also available on the main FAI free flight groups on Facebook.
Thanks
Massimo