SEN 1254 - 21 Oct 2008

Table of Contents - SEN 1254 - 21 October 2008 


  1. Hard Core
  2. For Sale
  3. Fall Americas Cup Report
  4. Other 20 sec considerations
  5. Pete's 20
Where’s Bill Hartill and the boys when you need them?
Almost 50 years Bill Hartill and a bunch of FAI zealots left the San Valeers Club to form the Southern California Aero Team because they felt that some members of the San Valeers were bending the FAI rules to suit themselves. And that this action did not serve those preparing for international competition. Bill and the boys got a reputation of being abrasive,  hard core and very competitive.
Years later we’re friends with the San Valeers and have mellowed a little on the club membership requirements but we’re still hard core, we still belive in international competition,  we still try very hard to get on the US Free Flight Team, we organized the Americas Cup to raise the standard of International Free Flight across our country, we try and fly in contests in other countries .. and we still follow the FAI Sporting code.
Recently there has been discussion and commentary about what should be in the rules even to the point of confronting other sportsmen on the flying field and/or accusing them of cheating . The incident that comes to mind almost caused an international incident. A few years back a group of sportsmen were preparing for a dawn flyoff in a world cup event in Argentina. A sportsmen from another country with a conservative agenda who had not made the fly off confronted Alex Andriukov, while he was winding because Alex’s helper had handed him a motor from under his jacket. He accused Alex of cheating because his helper had warmed the motor under his jacket. This is matter that could be open to interpretation. However it was not appropriate to confront another sportsman, the correct procedure would have been to file a formal protest. Which the other sportsmen was ‘persuaded’ to do rather than continue the confrontation. I’m not sure what all the others in the flyoff did but I did see Bror Eimar take his motor out of down jacket pocket
As hard nosed and abrasive as Bill and the boys were in the good old days they knew that there are two things to be done. Firstly if another contestant contravenes the rules, pay the fee and lodge the protest. All serious FAI events have a jury, independent of the CD to resolve such issues. I’ve been on the jury in other countries and from personal experience the mix of sportsmen from varied backgrounds have always come up with the right decision. Secondly there is a process through the Team Selection committee to the AMA to the FAI to put in rules proposals. That proposal is voted on by FAI members from many countries. Sometimes we get a decision that we like sometimes one we don’t like, that’s FAI, where the I is for International flying.  
The only way to win a World Championship is to fly under the FAI rules, the best way to prepare for that is to fly as often as possible under those rules. That goes with being so hard core.


For Sale

For sale: Black Magic 2-servo timer, version 2.42,
Radio DT & alternate DT capable.
never used.
Price: $40 US
Bought from The Magic Man, March 2004.
Contact Lee Hines  Ph: 949 645 4850
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Fall 2008 AmCup Report


Only 8 more contests left this session but they will yield some exciting end of the year races. Brian Van Nest held the lead for much of the year but Rene Limberger took the F1A lead with the flyoff win of the Northwest challenge the morning of Livotto’s and then won the Livotto’s contest resulting in a total of 116 points. It win be hard for Brian to regain the lead due to the lack of larger entry levels in the remaining eight contests needed for bonus points. 2009 USA team members Lee Hines, Steve Spence and  Ken Bauer placed 5th,6th and 15th.

On the other hand, Paul Crowley has maintained his lead in F1B with 106 points. Blake Jensen has a shot but needs 2 wins—Eloy is good but he has 2 Lost Hills high scores. Same for George Batiuk and Eddie VanLandingham but he could fly at any of the remaining contest to improve their scores.  The sleeper is Alex Andriukov with two 30 point contests. 2009 USA Team members are Alex, Walt Ghio and Charlie Jones at 10th, 20th and 28th.

Good year for Don Chesson currently in F1C 1st and a  USA 2009 member along with Gil Morris(10th) and Dick Mathis (17th). Ron McBurnett, first alternate Matt Gewain, Mike Roberts and Roger Simpson all can make a run for the first place position.

Dave Rounsaville has a fight to keep his first place position with Bob Hanford hot on his tails in F1P.

Tiffany O’Dell is holding on to 1st as well in F1G. Will second place Charlie Jones make a push or start his F1B focus for 2008 Croatia WC?  Brian VanNest and Eddie VanLandingham have credible chance for first as well.

Brian VanNest is also putting the pressure on his buddy, Mike McKeever, first place in F1H. Bonus points are critical here making a slim chance for the rest of us to taking the lead.

Faust Parker has held the F1J lead all year and it’s the bonus point situation again. Unlikely Jean Pailet (2nd), Dave Rounsaville (3rd) will be able overcome Faust’s lead.

F1Q is a close race with Bernie Crowe in the lead but Dick Wood, Frank Pollard and Dan Berry all have credible opportunity to earn 1st place points.

Looks like Peter Brocks takes F1E again this year seeing there are no more contests scheduled for the rest of the year.  Peter is also on the USA 2009 F1E team along with Bob Sifleet (2nd) and Tome Ieorger (3rd).

Off to Las Vegas to see if I can climb into 5th place or better in F1A or H.

As usual, send corrects to via email <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>. Your corrections are key to insure accurate results at the end of the year.

Thermals,   JIM


America Cup results - with individual placings

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  17  Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike  21  Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM   29  MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA  16  SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT   6  Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA   3  NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF   2  Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl  14  Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu   2  Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA   3  Intercity FAI  Muncie, IN
SkC  11  Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL   0  McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC   4  Texas Cloud Climbers,  Allen TX
MMM   7  MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA   7  Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC   12  Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO  15  US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF  11  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2  12  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF   0  ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA   3  FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC    4  Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC    0  Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA  18  Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu  19  Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC   0  S.W. FAI Challenge,  LasVegas, NV
ACT   0  Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC    0  Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC   0  Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI   0  King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1A
1   Limberger, Rene      116  SWR-1 Ike-5* SCA-1 MMM-1* NW2-1 Scu-1
2   VanNest, Brian       114  Ike-1 MM-5* BAl-1 SkC-1 MMM-2* HC-2* USO-1 NWF-4* Scu-4*
3   Barron,  Andrew      103  MM-1 EFF-1 BAl-3* SkC-2 SkA-1 HC-3* CFA-5*
4   McKeever, Mike        99  SWR-2 Ike-4* MM-4* NCA-1 BAl-5* USO-5* NWF-1 NW2-2 CFA-4*
5   Hines, Lee            89  SCA-2 NCA-2* TCC-2 MMM-3* NW2-3* DC-1 CFA-3
6   Spence, Steve         75  SCT-1 TCC-1 USO-2
7   Edmonson, Dave        70  DC-2 CFA-2 Scu-2
8   Tzvetkov,Tzvetan      69  EFF-2 SkA-2 HC-1
9   Sifleet, Bob          64  IFA-1 USO-3 AFA-2
10  Markos, Chuck         62  Hcu-2 IFA-2 SkC-5 AFA-3
11  Parker, Jim           58  BAl-2 NWF-5 NW2-5 Scu-3
12  Thompson, Mike        50  Ike-3 SCA-3 MMM-4
13  Cai, Oliver (Jr)      45  MM-3 AFA-1
14  Brocks,  Peter        43  SWR-3 SCA-4 DC-4
15  Bauer, Ken            42  Ike-2 NWF-3
16  Lenartowicz, C        30  CFA-1
17  Tetrick, Logan (jr)   28  SWR-4 USO-4
18  Zink, Don             26  BAl-4 NW2-4
19  Bauer, Brian          25  MM-2
19  Lorbiecki, John       25  Hcu-1
19  McQuade, Pete         25  DC-3 Scu-5
22  Brun, Pierre          22  NWF-2
23  Berry, Dan            21  SCT-2
24  Barron, Peter         17  SkC-3
25  Troutman, Jim         16  SCT-3
25  Barron,Timothy(jr)    16  SkA-3
27  Smith,Norm            15  NCA-3
27  Shepard, Jessie       15  TCC-3
27  Lorbiecki, John       15  IFA-3
30  Boiadjien, Todor      13  HC-4
31  Thomson, Ben          12  SkC-4
32  Fedor, Mike           11  SCT-4
32  Whitney, Marian (jr)  11  SkA-4
34  Fedor, Jeff           10  TCC-4
35  Davis, Jon             9  SWR-5
35  Protheroe, Dan         9  SCA-5
37  Jones,  Kyle (jr)      8  HC-5
38  Sheffer. Jackie        6  SCT-5
38  Reynolds, Randy        6  MMM-5
38  Johnson, Miles(jr)     6  SkA-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  16  Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike  26  Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM   33  MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA  14  SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT   5  Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA   7  NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF   3  Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl  15  Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu   9  Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA  12  Intercity FAI  Muncie, IN
Sky  10  Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL   3  McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC   4  Texas Cloud Climbers,  Allen TX
MMM   6  MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA   7  Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC   10  Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO  25  US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF   6  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2   5  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF   2  ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA   9  FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC    3  Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC    0  Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA  18  Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu  25  Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC   0  S.W. FAI Challenge,  LasVegas, NV
ACT   0  Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC    0  Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC   0  Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI   0  King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1B
1   Crowley, Paul       106  SWR-5* MM-1 Hcu-1 IFA-3* HC-2 AFA-1 CFA-3*
2   Jensen, Blake        95  BAl-1 MMM-2 NWF-5* NW2-1 CFA-2
3   Batiuk, George       91  BAl-3 MMM-1 NWF-2 NW2-4* DC-1 Scu-4*
4   Vanlandingham, Ed    86  SCT-3* McL-1 TCC-1 MMM-3 DC-2
5   Simon, Greg          81  SWR-3 Hcu-5* IFA-2 HC-1 AFA-4
6   McGlashan, Jerry     67  EFF-1 ESF-1 AFA-3
7   Emery, Jack          65  SWR-2 MM-4 NCA-1
8   Bradley, Jim         62  SWR-4 IFA-1 McL-2
8   Clapp, John          62  EFF-2 Sky-2 ESF-2
10  Andriukov, Alex      60  USO-1 CFA-1
11  Horak, Ladi          57  Ike-3 MM-2 HC-4 Scu-3*
11  Morrell, Roger       57  MM-3 HC-5 Scu-1
13  Belfield, Mark       55  NCA-2 BAl-4 NW2-1
13  Mulligan, Mike       55  Ike-1 SCA-3* Scu-2
15  Radziunas, Sarah     53  Sky-1 SkA-1
16  Wood, Dick           48  SCA-2 SCT-1
17  Reinhart, Pete       45  SCT-4 TCC-2 DC-3
18  Biedron, Bob         44  SWR-1 USO-4
18  Shailor, John (Jr)   44  Hcu-2 AFA-2
20  Davis, Mike          41  Ike-2 NCA-3
20  Ghio, Walt           41  NWF-1 NW2-3
22  Vaccaro, Tom         38  Sky-3 SkA-2
22  Saks, Dave           38  SCA-1 CFA-5
24  Rohrke, Rich         36  NWF-3 CFA-4 Scu-5
25  Brown, Gerald        35  SCT-2 TCC-3
26  Jensen, Gene         30  IFA-4 MMM-5 NWF-3
27  Schlosberg, Aram     29  Sky-4 HC-3
28  Nelson, Elmer        25  Ike-4 MM-5
28  Simon, Evan (Jr)     25  Hcu-3 IFA-5
28  Jones, Charles       25  USO-2
31  Peck, Jerry          24  BAl-2
32  Shailor,  Bill       20  USO-3
33  Seymour, John        19  Hcu-4 AFA-5
34  Schroedter, Amy      16  Ike-5 NCA-5
34  Allen, Carrol        16  SkA-3
36  Harden, Edd          15  McL-3
36  Troutman, Mark       15  SCT-5 TCC-4
38  Piserchio, Bob       13  SCA-4
39  Schroedter,Martin    11  NCA-4
39  Jones, Darold        11  MMM-4
39  Radziunas, Michelle  11  SkA-4
42  Hoffman, Mark        10  USO-5
43  Booth, Bill           9  BAl-5
44  Tymchek, Bob          8  SCA-5
45  Doerner, Brede(Jr)    7  Sky-5
46  Ioerger, Tom          6  SkA-5
47  Ulm, Allan            5  NW2-5
48            & nbsp;           0

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   7  Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike  12  Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM   18  MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA   6  SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT   3  Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA   1  NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF   0  Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl  13  Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu   3  Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA   4  Intercity FAI  Muncie, IN
Sky   0  Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL   1  McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC   3  Texas Cloud Climbers,  Allen TX
MMM   3  MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA   0  Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC    1  Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO   6  US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF   2  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2   2  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF   0  ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA   2  FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC    3  Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC    0  Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA   3  Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu  14  Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC   0  S.W. FAI Challenge,  LasVegas, NV
ACT   0  Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC    0  Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC   0  Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI   0  King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1C
1   Chesson, Don        94  SWR-1 Ike-3 SCT-1 USO-1 Scu-4*
2   Mc Burnett, Ron     82  BAl-4 NWF-2 NW2-1 Scu-1
3   Gewain, Matt        75  SCA-1 BAl-1 USO-5 CFA-3
4   Roberts, Mike       72  MM-4* BAl-2 NWF-1 NW2-2* Scu-2
4   Simpson, Roger      72  Ike-1 MM-3 NCA-1
6   Poti,  Norm         69  MM-5* Hcu-1 IFA-1 USO-4* Scu-3
7   Parker,  Faust      66  McL-1 TCC-2 USO-2
7   Etherington, Chuck  66  SWR-2 MMM-1 DC-2
9   Spence, Henry       61  SCT-2 TCC-1 USO-3
10  Servaites, Bucky    60  MM-2 Hcu-3 AFA-2 Scu-5*
10  Morris, Gil         60  Hcu-2 IFA-3 AFA-1
12  Pulley, Lynn        49  SWR-3 Ike-4 SCA-2
13  Happersett, Ken     48  MM-1 SCA-3* BAl-3
14  Solomon, Roland     45  MMM-2 DC-1
15  Ellington, Jeff     42  Ike-2 CFA-2
15  Carroll, Ed         42  SWR-5 SCA-4 CFA-1
17  Mathis, Dick        33  SWR-4 Ike-5 MMM-3
18  Troutman, Mark      30  SCT-3 TCC-3
19  Shvedenkov, Yury    25  HC-1
20  Johannes, Dave      21  SCA-5 DC-3
21  Loriecki, John T    20  IFA-2
22  Loriecki, John F    10  IFA-4
23  Ginder, Fred         8  BAl-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   1  Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike   3  Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM    7  MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA   0  SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT   1  Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA   2  NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF   0  Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl   1  Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu   0  Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA   0  Intercity FAI  Muncie, IN
Sky   2  Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL   0  McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC   2  Texas Cloud Climbers,  Allen TX
MMM   0  MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA   2  Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC    0  Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO   6  US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF   0  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2   0  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF   1  ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA   0  FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC    2  Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC    0  Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA   0  Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu   1  Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC   0  S.W. FAI Challenge,  LasVegas, NV
ACT   0  Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC    0  Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC   0  Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI   0  King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1P
1   Rounsaville, Dave        96  MM-2 BAl-1 Sky-1 SkA-2* USO-2* ESF-1
2   Hanford, Bob             95  SWR-1 SCT-1 TCC-2 USO-4* DC-1
3   Pacelli, Brian(jr)       61  Sky-2 SkA-1 USO-3
4   Robertson. Tony          51  Ike-1 MM-5 DC-2
5   Parsons, Dave            40  Ike-3 Scu-1
6   Secor, Randy             36  Ike-2 MM-3
7   Ferrario,  Anthony (jr)  31  MM-4 NCA-2
8   Secor, Cody  (jr)        26  MM-1
8   Simpson, Reid            26  USO-1
10  Chinmay, Jaju            25  NCA-1
10  Troutman, Mark           25  TCC-1
12  Fedor, Mike               6  USO-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  12  Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike  18  Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM   24  MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA  -x- SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT   4  Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA   4  NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF   0  Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl   3  Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu   4  Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA   7  Intercity FAI  Muncie, IN
Sky   6  Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL   4  McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC   3  Texas Cloud Climbers,  Allen TX
MMM  10  MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA   6  Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC    4  Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO  35  US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF   3  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2   5  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF   1  ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA   4  FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC    8  Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC    0  Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA  13  Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu  13  Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC   0  S.W. FAI Challenge,  LasVegas, NV
ACT   0  Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC    0  Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC   0  Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI   0  King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1G
1   O'Dell, Tiffany    100  SWR-1 Ike-3 BAl-2* MMM-1 NWF-1 NW2-2* CFA-3* Scu-4*
2   Jones, Charlie      89  SWR-2 HC-4 CFA-1 Scu-1
3   VanNest, Brian      83  SWR-4 Ike-4 MM-1 NW2-1
4   Brocks, Peter       81  SWR-5* BAl-1 MMM-4 DC-2 CFA-2
5   Ioerger, Tom        79  IFA-2 SkA-4* HC-1 AFA-3 Scu-3
6   Vanlandingham, Ed   73  SCT-4 McL-1 TCC-1 CFA-4
7   Allen, Carrol       72  Sky-2 SkA-1 HC-3 USO-5
8   Belfield, Mark      70  MM-4 NCA-1 BAl-3 NWF-3 NW2-3* CFA-5* Scu-5*
8   Ghio, Walt          70  MM-3 NCA-2 NWF-2 NW2-4
10  Sechrist, Dave      61  IFA-3 USO-3 AFA-1
10  Clapp, John         61  Sky-3 HC-2 ESF-1
12  DeLoach, Don        60  SWR-3 Ike-5 MMM-3 USO-4
13  Edmonson, Dave      51  MM-2 DC-1
14  Reinhart, Pete      45  SCT-1 TCC-2
15  Buss, Bill          42  Sky-1 SkA-3
16  Emery, Jack         38  NCA-3 Scu-2
17  Markos, Chuck       35  Hcu-1 AFA-4
18  Simon, Greg         31  IFA-4 AFA-2
19  Tymchek, Bob        30  Ike-1
19  Brown, Gerld        30  SCT-3 TCC-3
19  Vaccaro, Tom        30  USO-1
22  Hatschek, Bob       27  Sky-5 SkA-2
23  Parkyn, Chris       26  IFA-1
24  Davis, Mike         25  Ike-2
24  Gerszewski, James   25  USO-2
26  Reynolds, Randy     22  MMM-2
27  Wood, Dick          20  SCT-2
27  Crowley, Paul       20  Hcu-2
27  Klingaman, Jerry    20  McL-2
30  Sisk, Marc          18  MMM-5 DC-4
31  Schroedter, Aimee   16  MM-5 IFA-5
31  Batiuk, George      16  DC-3
33  Konefes, Ed         15  Hcu-3
33  Hepler, Eric        15  McL-3
35  Lacey, David        11  Sky-4
36  Masterman, Paul     10  Hcu-4
36  Davis, Troy (Jr)    10  NCA-4
36  Hepler, Tom         10  McL-4
39  Rousseau, Don        6  SkA-5
39  Murphy, Jerry        6  DC-5
41  Vernon, Ted          5  NW2-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   6  Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike   9  Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM   11  MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA  -x- SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT  -x- Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA   2  NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF   0  Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl   6  Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu   1  Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA   2  Intercity FAI  Muncie, IN
Sky   4  Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL   1  McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC   5  Texas Cloud Climbers,  Allen TX
MMM   4  MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA   4  Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC    3  Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO  12  US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF   5  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2   4  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF   1  ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA   2  FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC    3  Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC    0  Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA   7  Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu   9  Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC   0  S.W. FAI Challenge,  LasVegas, NV
ACT   0  Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC    0  Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC   0  Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI   0  King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1H
1   McKever, Mike      104  SWR-1 Ike-3* MM-4* NCA-1 BAl-3* USO-1 NWF-1 NW2-1* Scu-5*
2   VanNest, Brian     100  SWR-5* Ike-1 MM-5* BAl-2 Sky-2* MMM-2* HC-1 USO-4* NWF-3* NW2-2* CFA-1
3   Pailet, Jean        95  Hcu-1 IFA-2 Sky-3* McL-1 SkA-4* ESF-1 AFA-2*
4   Thompson, Mike      92  Ike-4 MM-3 BAl-5* MMM-1 CFA-3 Scu-1
5   Parker, Jim         89  SWR-2 Ike-2 BAl-1 NWF-2 NW2-3* Scu-3*
6   Sifleet, Bob        82  Ike-5 IFA-1 Sky-1 SkA-1 HC-2* USO-2* AFA-1* CFA-4* Scu-2*
7   Hines,Lee           78  SWR-3 MM-2 TCC-2 MMM-4* USO-5* NWF-4* DC-2 CFA-2* Scu-4*
8   Davis, Jon          38  MM-1 BAl-4
9   Phelan, Dennis      30  Sky-4 SkA-2
9   Sisk, Marc          30  MMM-3 DC-3
11  Smith, Norm         26  SWR-4 NWF-5 NW2-4
12  Fedor, Mike         25  TCC-1
12  Edmonson, Dave      25  DC-1
14  Jones, Kyle (Jr)    18  HC-3* USO-3
15  Troutman, Mark      15  TCC-3
15  Radziunas, Kathy    15  SkA-3
17  Berry, Dan          10  TCC-4
18  Brown, Gerald        5  TCC-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   1  Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike   3  Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM   11  MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA  -x- SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT   2  Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA   1  NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF   1  Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl   1  Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu   3  Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA   4  Intercity FAI  Muncie, IN
Sky   2  Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL   2  McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC   6  Texas Cloud Climbers,  Allen TX
MMM   0  MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA   4  Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC    0  Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO   6  US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF   1  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2   1  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF   3  ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA   1  FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC    3  Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC    0  Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA   2  Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu   4  Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC   0  S.W. FAI Challenge,  LasVegas, NV
ACT   0  Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
Fal   0  Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC   0  Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI   0  King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1J
1   Parker, Faust      102  SWR-1 SCT-1* McL-1 TCC-1 USO-1
2   Pailet, Jean        95  EFF-1 IFA-4* Sky-2* McL-2 SkA-1 USO-5* ESF-3* AFA-1
2   Rounsaville,Dave    95  MM-3* BAl-1 Sky-1 SkA-2 USO-3* ESF-1
4   Hanford, Bob        66  SCT-2 TCC-2 DC-1
5   Morris, Gil         65  Ike-2 MM-5* Hcu-1 IFA-2
6   Johannes, Dave      62  MM-2 DC-2 Scu-2
7   Roberts, Mike       60  NWF-1 NW2-1 Scu-4
8   Lorbiecki, John T   45  Hcu-2 IFA-1
9   Robertson, Tony     37  Ike-1 MM-4
10  Parsons, Dave       35  CFA-2 Scu-3
11  Gunder, Austin      27  MM-1
12  Jaju, Chinmay(jr)   25  NCA-1
12  Kerger, Terry       25  CFA-1
12  Poti, Norm          25  Scu-1
15  Spence, Steve       21  USO-2
16  Mollendorf, Joe     20  ESF-2
17  Parker, Jim         16  TCC-3
18  Mennano, Guy        15  Ike-3
18  Lorbiecki, John F   15  IFA-3
18  Pacelli, Brian(jr)  15  SkA-3
18  Bell, Tom           15  DC-3
22  Fedor, Mike         11  TCC-4
22  Spence, Henry       11  USO-4
24  Kerr, Tom           10  SkA-4
25  Troutman, Mark       6  TCC-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   1  Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike   3  Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM    2  MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA   0  SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT   5  Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA   0  NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF   0  Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl   3  Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu   0  Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA   0  Intercity FAI  Muncie, IN
Sky   2  Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL   1  McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC   1  Texas Cloud Climbers,  Allen TX
MMM   0  MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA   0  Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC    0  Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO   5  US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF   2  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2   2  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF   0  ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA   0  FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC    2  Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC    0  Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA   0  Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu   0  Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC   0  S.W. FAI Challenge,  LasVegas, NV
ACT   0  Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC    0  Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC   0  Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI   0  King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1Q
1   Crowe,Bernie        85  SWR-1 Ike-2 BAl-2 NWF-2 NW2-2*
2   Wood, Dick          80  MM-2 SCT-2 BAl-3 DC-1
3   Pollard, Frank      75  Ike-1 MM-1 BAl-1* NWF-1 NW2-1*
3   Berry, Dan          75  SCT-1 TCC-1 USO-1
5   Ivers, Rich A       45  Sky-1 USO-2
6   Parker, Julie       40  SCT-3 McL-1
7   Ivers, Dick J       35  Sky-2 USO-3
8   Reinhart, Pete      20  DC-2
9   Oldenkamp, John     15  Ike-3
10  Lupazelli, Ed       10& nbsp; USO-4
10  Fedor, Mike         10  SCT-4
12  Troutman, Mark       5  SCT-5
12  Mays, Jim            5  USO-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  -x- Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike  10  Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
Cal   9  MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA   0  SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT  -X- Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA   0  NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF  -X- Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl   5  Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu   0  Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA   0  Intercity FAI  Muncie, IN
Sky   0  Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL   0  McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC   0  Texas Cloud Climbers,  Allen TX
MMM   1  MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA   0  Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC    0  Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO   0  US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF   0  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2   0  NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF   0  ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA   0  FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC    2  Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC    0  Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA   0  Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu   0  Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC   0  S.W. FAI Challenge,  LasVegas, NV
ACT   0  Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC    0  Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC   4  Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI   0  King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1E
1   Brocks, Peter       97  Ike-3* Cal-1 BAl-4* MMM-1 DC-1 AZC-2
2   Sifleet, Bob        69  Ike-2 Cal-2 AZC-1
3   Ioerger, Tom        49  Ike-1 Cal-4 AZC-4
4   Wood, Dick          40  BAl-5 DC-2 AZC-3
5   VanNest, Brian      29  Ike-4 Cal-3
6   Furutani, Norm      27  Ike-5 Cal-5* BAl-2
7   Parsons, Dave       25  BAl-1
8   Hannah, Bruce       15  BAl-3
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More attempt questions ..

Dear Roger

In the FAI sporting code , section 4 Para 3.2.5 it's written that one of the cases for Definition of an Unsuccessful flying Attempt is: "When a part of the model aircraft becomes detached during the launch or during the flight time."
I flew F1B model in a competition and When I launched my model from my hand, one dihedral separated from the center and folded on the center part of the wing. During climbing he fluttered, hanging on the covering film.My model touched the ground after 45 sec and i did not get a Repeat of an Attempt.
I was told that the wording is very clear, not broke, not deformed but detached therefore I do not deserve another attempt as the part was still loosely connected.
There is no logic to give F1A flyer a second attempt if the timer door fell and in this case not.It is clear that a model can fly without the timer door but not with a folded dihedral yet at the first case the sporting code give another chance to the flyer !!
Another argumentation is that the model's Surface Area become illegal therefor a second attempt can correct the situation...
hope to open a discussion about this case
Gil Mitzmacher
ISRAEL




Don’t deny the majority the benefits of the 20 second rule

I am not sure how we all allowed the use of RC to directly affect the outcome of a contest flight in a free flight event, but it is this that should be addressed, not altering other rules to cater for it.

Only a small percentage of fliers currently use RCDT in contest flights, and I am not sure why the 20 second rule should be deleted or changed in any way for those who want to use RC during contest flights. Reducing the time to say 10 seconds would not always be effective because, by definition, the model is already low to warrant the need for a RCDT

Removal of the 20 second rule would be to the detriment of the large number of other fliers around the world who enjoy the benefits of having a second chance if a misfortune occurs (either of their own making or of someone else’s making) and they do a sub 20 second flight, It would also have to apply to all FAI F/F classes, and right down to club events not just the international ones.

So, I would suggest (excuse me if others have already proposed it) that if you have an ‘active’ RCDT fitted during a contest flight, you forfeit the 20 second rule for an early DT. De-activation of an RCDT would not be achieved by switching it off; removal of an RCDT component from the model would be required.

Not too difficult to police; if someone does a poor launch and then the model suddenly dt’s---!!

So don’t deny the majority the benefits of the 20 second rule.

Regards
Peter Tribe




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Roger Morrell