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SCAT Electronic News 24 April 2005 issue 945
Table of Contents
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FAI Meeting in March 2005
BMFA Free Flight Forum Report - Dilly
Seelig timers for sale
Curious
News letter
An Historic Afternoon in Denver
Re: correcting an Historic Afternoon in Denver - Skyzilla
ATTN: Santiago Rodriguez (Spain) - Keville
Holloway Condos - Murrell
Pacifier help requested - Clapp
Ukraine This Year !! - Stamov
F1B Model Wanted
Classic Towline Glider added to USFFC - SweepetteLee
www.sierratradingpost.com
New issue of Free Flight Quarterly is out - Montes
KK Senator Postal - prize updates - Moseley
Goldberg et al - Mate
Superfund Sites for Model Flying - Morris
F1Q Timer - Ivers
No solution ?
FAI Meeting in March 2005
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Can you tell me which issue number contains Tracy's report on the March
FAI F1 meeting? I have looked at my list and cannot find it.
Bill Bogart
[ Bill there was no report from Dan Tracy - nor was there a request
for inout from US Sportsman prior to the meeting ]
BMFA Free Flight Forum Report
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2005 BMFA Free Flight Forum Report
The new 2005 Free Flight Forum Report is hot off the press. This is the
twenty-first year we've been producing the Reports and this one is the
biggest yet with 125 pages of good stuff; as you see from the contents
list, it covers a wide range of free-flight, and you can get your own copy
now.
Further Developments with Discus Launched Gliders - Andrew Hewitt
Gy=F6rgy Benedek, 1921-2004 - Martin Dilly
Update on F/F Discus HLG Developments - Phil Ball
Electric Shenanigans - Joe Flynn
Electric Indoor Free Flight and the Me. 323 - Peter Smart
Groovy Graphics - Bob Cheesley
Low Aspect Ratio F1As - Andy Crisp
The Future of Free-Flight - One Year On - Mike Woodhouse
Having a Go at Mini Vintage - Phil Ball
The Current State of F1D - Geoff Lefever
Turbulators and Invigorators - Peter King
Rubber Density Measurement - George Waby
Buy or Build - John Carter
Vintage Wakefields in a Modern Context - Chris Strachan
Better Shell Mouldings - Chris Edge
Construction and Flying of Indoor Duration Models - Clive King;
Getting More Out of Rubber - John O'Donnell
Propeller Efficiency Revisited - Mike Evatt
Prices are as follows:
UK - Pounds 10.00 including postage
Airmail to Europe - Pounds 12.00 " "
Airmail elsewhere - Pounds 14.00 " "
You may order by credit card. Cheques should be payable to 'BMFA F/F Team=
Support Fund', in pounds sterling only, and drawn on a bank with a branch=
in the UK. All proceeds go towards the funding of Britain's teams for
indoor and outdoor F/F World and European Championships.
Copies are available from : Martin Dilly
20, Links Road,
West Wickham,
Kent,
BR4 OQW
or by fax to: (44) + (0)20-8777-5533, or by e-mail to
Seelig timers for sale
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Two used Seelig four function timers are on Ebay auction that ends at
6:00 PM PST this Sunday. The seller is ffsteve, and I have done business
with him in the past. He is a straight shooter. The item number is
5970083318 and the direct URL is
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1&Item=
5970083318
No association with Texas Timers. Just a way of serving the community.
Hank
Curious
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just curious ,have not received a newsletter since the
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News letter
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Dear Roger,
Haven't received SEN since April 12. Is there a problem?
Regards,
Graham Bryant
An Historic Afternoon in Denver
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FF Friends,
Yesterday at the MMM monthly contest I was among a lucky group of
onlookers who witnessed a significant event in FF history. NFFS
Hall-of-Famer Bill Gieskieng's giant "Skyzilla" OS .61-powered folder
successfully took to the skies for the first time. Bill spent the
morning breaking in the engine and by mid-afternoon--with the wind still
calm--the time was at hand for the maiden flight. After a lot of
concentration and double-checking Bill fired up the .61 and turned the
model loose. The ship climbed smartly to about 100 feet. After what
seemed like an eternity (actually only about 2 seconds) the engine quit
and we all held our breath. Then it happened. Suspended in midair, as if
by Divine Providence, the wings unfolded. In an instant the big model
had become genuinely massive. We could no longer contain our excitement.
Applause broke out across the row of cars as the quick DT popped and the
Giant settled back to earth.
Skyzilla is a Super-D folder. The unfolded span is about 12 feet.
Designing and building any ultra-large model is a great enough
achievement. But to feature folding wings on such a model is a
monumental achievement. In fact, I suspect Skyzilla is the most ambitous
free flight model ever attempted. Am I wrong?
O Billious, Sir-Skykieng!! Our Hero!!!
--Don DeLoach
MMM President
Re: correcting an Historic Afternoon in Denver
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from bill gieskieng
The big downside of receiving such loud and enthusiastic praise from
such a rising modeling illuminary as MMM's president, Don is the downer
that comes from realizing the impossibility of trying to live up to
the high expectations that naturally follow.
But, you know, it does serve to get me excited about fielding some other
ships that have been fuming on the back burner. Maybe even take some
pictures. I imagine a portion of Don's agenda in this manner is to stop
me from talking and writing and to get me flying. And that is good!
thank you Don! I'm going to do it. But first some more writing.
All that said, the reason for this letter is to make a needed correction
concerning Skyzilla's actual wing span. It is not the magnificent
figure of near 12 feet but only a miserable 10 feet...124 inches. I
have slipped up at times and said 12 feet. I confess I'm numerically
challenged at times...I have an FAI Folder (Stretched Eagle) that is 3
meters, and for some reason I keep thinking of it being 10 feet.
However, even though there is only 6 inches difference in the relative
spans Skyzilla seems to be sooo much more airplane that the FAI appears
alongside the huge bird much like a newly hatched chick nuzzling its
mother.
I can't agree to it being all that super ambitious. I consider it
belonging more in the realm of an ill-considered venture, such as
Howard Hughes' Spruce Goose. As for sheer hugeness I remember a photo in
a Flying Models Annual of some truly giant FF -- measuring over 20 feet
-- struggling off a NATS runway. No mention was included in the caption
concerning the flight or the landing. That strange omission does makes
one wonder!
However I think Zilla may come close to setting a mark for the lightest
Super D wing ever. It weighs in at only 410 grams ...that is 14.5 oz.in
God's approved numerical system.
Skyzilla lives!
... even if only at 10, not 12. ( and a really measly 6 in the climb)
ATTN: Santiago Rodriguez (Spain)
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Sr. Rodriguez, if you are reading this please know that I did receive
the .020 glow heads via Orestes Perdomo in Miami. There was no invoice
included. How much do I owe you? And would you like that in US Dollars
or in Spanish currency via International Bank Draft/Money Order? Please
advise, and I thank you for sending these.
Mike Keville (This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.)
Holloway Condos
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This is my first time to respond to something read in
SEN, but I have to agree with one comment in the 11
April edition. If we (the collective we) buy a decent
field, it can't help but make the flying experience
better.
I remember years ago I had a dream. Bob Waterman was
going to put together a deal where we could have a set
of condos adjacent to a flying field. [It's always a
lot easier if you have someone else do the work.]
This would be my ideal. I've never had an urge to
live on a golf course or on a lake but to live "on" a
flying field? Who could ask for anything better! As
a "significant other", I would have the best of all
worlds. I would know where Roger was. He would be
near enough for me to reach him if I needed him and
out from under foot if I didn't. And by and large,
the wives of fliers are the best folks I've ever met
so spending time with them ain't half bad either.
So, if anybody ever has an idea to put together a
retirement village for modellers, count me in.
Just dreaming ...
Lindy
P.S. Hey, how about Palm Bay? The streets are
already laid out, and I hear the alligators are big
enough now for us to make purses and shoes out of!
Pacifier help requested
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HELP REQUESTED
I met a European F1C flier at the Hungarian World Champs who had a
replacement supply source for pacifiers. I lost his name and would like
to find out who I spoke to. I could take delivery in Argentina or they
could be shipped to USA.
If anyone knows who this might be, I would appreciate a name and e-mail
address.
Thank you, John FAI MODEL SUPPLY
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Ukraine This Year !!
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Victor STAMOV
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> Dear SCAT readers,
> Now is a good time to visit Ukraine. No visas are needed for
> Euro Community and Switzerland citizens from May, 1 till
> September, 1, because of Eurovision Song Festival in Kyiv.
> Also our President during his visit to USA last week
> promissed, that US citizens will go to Ukraine without visas
> too.
> There will be 2 World Cups in Ukraine during 2 weekends:
>
> Antonov Cup in Kyiv
> Saturday, July, 9 - F1B, C, H;
> Sunday, July, 10 - F1A, G, J
>
> Black Sea Cup of Belarus in Odessa
> Thursday, July, 14 - F1H, G, J
> Friday, July, 15 - F1B, C;
> Saturday, July, 16 - F1A
> Sunday - Prizegiving, Banquet
> More information and registration at
> http://www.odessa-cup.farlep.net/
> or mail to me,
> Victor STAMOV
> Simirenko, 34, Apt. 127,
> 03134 Kyiv,
> UKRAINE
> tel.: 380-44-402-79-32
> mob.: +380-97-987-42-80
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> Ukraine is a host of 2006 FF European Championships and 2007
> FF World Championships. Both Camps will run in Odessa (same
> place as Black Sea Cup 2005) in the middle of July.
> Preliminary Bulletins will be presented in Argentina. I will
> take an active part in organization and can make an influence
> how contests will be organized. We have some ideas how to
> improve an organization. Some of them will be tested this year
> at Black Sea Cup. About 2 ideas we need your opinion.
> 1. We are going to add 2 more days (one after F1A and one
> after F1B), which can be used as reserve, time for early
> morning fly offs and days for rest.
> Reasons:
> a) More flexible schedule for flying. Only 2 fly offs (late
> evening) in the main flying day. If necessary - 10 min fly off
> next early morning.
> b) The average age of modelflyers comes every year higher.
> Wake up early morning and a lot of activities during the day
> (as flying and retrieving) making everybody looks as squeezed
> lemon. Instead of fun every day looks as very hard job. 2
> extra days can be used for recreation.
>
> 2. We have idea to make European Championship open for
> non-European Nations. It is possible by FAI Code, General
> Section:
> 3.1.5.1. Continental Championship. An international
> sporting event open to participants from all NACs
> within a specific continental region defined in the Sporting
> Code (see para 3.5.4) and, in case of
> vacancies, to participants from other invited non-eligible
> NACs. The competitor, or team from one
> of the NACs within that specific region, with the highest
> aggregate score at the end of the event,
> shall be the winner and be awarded the title of that
> Continental Region's Champion.
>
> Yes, we have vacancies. I told with President CIAM FAI Mr.
> Sandy PIMENOFF at last CIAM meeting and he said nothing
> against. It is possible by the FAI rules. I've got a principal
> agreement to make it.
> I think, it can be 2 contest in one. Standard Euro Champ (only
> for Europeans) and Open Euro Champ (all Europeans and all
> gusts will take a part). We (Organizers) can provide 2
> different sets of trophies for FF European Championships and
> Open FF European Championships.
> Only the question - how many Nations have interested come to
> us.
>
> Welcome to Ukraine!
> Victor STAMOV
F1B Model Wanted
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Roger,
Please post this message on the next SCAT news update:
Used F1B model wanted:
I am looking for a used F1B model (in flying condition) for a friend who is
interested in purchasing one. If anyone has any interesting offers, please
contact me:
Chris Lenartowicz (F1A - Canada)
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Classic Towline Glider added to USFFC
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Roger,
I was asked by Dan Heinrich to pass along to all fliers that the USFFC
will run the new Classic Towline Glider event on Labor Day Monday,
Sept 5, 2005 .
In addition, he has added 1/4A Nostalgia, also Monday.
The changes will be visible on the Lost Hills website by end of April, but
there
will not be a revised flyer mailing.
I suggest that all club newsletter editors include this info in
their next issue.
Lee
www.sierratradingpost.com
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seen at this web site - deals on Steiner Binos
New issue of Free Flight Quarterly is out
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The April issue of Free Flight Quarterly,
the special edition on P30, has just appeared and is now being mailed.
There is a most interesting introduction of the topic by the creator of
the P30 category, John Oldekamp and
is followed by a wide coverage of P30 designs
from Australia, USA, France and NZ, as well a technical articles on P30
propellers (Paul Rossiter) and digital timers for F1B and P30 (Tapio
Linkosalo). For the regular readers of FFQ this issue continues the
series on Concerto for Stab and Computer by Jean Wantzenriether and on
Dynamic Stability by Chris Stoddart. Mike Nassise presents a 24"
Heinkel He100 fighter scale model for rubber power. The cover and
table of contents of this new issue can be seen at our website
href="http://www.freeflightquarterly.com">www.freeflightquarterly.com
The July issue will continue with the P30 subject with more designs
from several countries and technical articles on this topic.
We hope this will be of interest to many of you.
Sergio Montes
IMAC DECAL/EMBLEM
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Hi Carl,
Sorry to be so long with this. Well here it is. For some reason the
stroke on the perimeter letters got a bit narrower than originally
drawn. Otherwise it is o.k. Do as you will with it Carl. Anything else I
can do? I will work on photos and book 2 of the great job you did on the
IMAC Album 1911 to 1940. Going to SCAT also, anyone want Book 1 for
25.00. It is spiral bound at Kinko's on quality paper.
Regards, Ed Mate President
KK Senator Postal - prize updates
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The prize allocations have been revised, thanks to more donations
received. Any further donations gratefully received! Full details of
this event direct from me. JM
The relevant paragraph of the rules/announcment now reads as follows:-
. The winner will receive a minimum prize of US$120.00, or the
equivalent in any other currency - the final sum will reflect exchange
rates at the close of the event but examples presently equate to
approximately C$148, =A363.00, A$154.00, NZ$165.00, etc. 2nd and 3rd.
place awards will be US$90.00 and $70.00, plus an additional award of
$40 to the person placing midway in the results list; all other
currencies pro-rata. Further enhancement of these sums and/or provision
of further prizes is dependent upon donations received.
Goldberg et al
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Thanks Hardy for the interesting story and reply. Carl's mother! Man you
ore old, or were you 6? Never met her but if not for her hobby shop and
encouragement Carl would never have attained the heights that he did. My
mom knew nothing about the hobby but her recognition of my contest
winnings put the wind under my wings. Of course dad at my side helping
did it too. He was amazing with tools and taught me all. But of course
this is beside the point I was making about the Canadians and the
Prototype Zipper fopa.
Regards always, Ed Mate
Superfund Sites for Model Flying
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The April 5 issue of the Washington Post had an article "Model Planes May
Soar at Former Superfund Sites". It's about AMA's agreement with the EPA to use
cleaned-up Superfund sites for flying model planes. The one example given is a
57 acre site at Altoona, PA where an RC group struck a deal with the EPA.
To learn more you can go to "Welcome to Superfund, US EPA" on the internet.
>From there click on "Superfund Site Classifications" and then on "NPL Sites in
the US". This takes you to a map of the US where you can select the State you
want to investigate. That leads to site descriptions, size, locations, history
and contacts.
Gil Morris
F1Q Timer
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Here is a copy of the note I sent to Jack Reid regarding his questions
about the availiblity of a F1Q timer. This may be of interest to others.
The picture attachment that was sent to Jack is not included here.
Hi Jack,
I saw your note on the SCAT message board inquiring about a timer for
the new F1Q electric model class. I might be able to assist you with
this issue. Others can help as well, I'm sure.
Some of us have been flying models in the AMA electric classes for some
time now, and the control and timing requirements for those classes are
similar to F1Q. I have attached a picture of the front end of the
electric model I flew at the most recent King Orange contest. The model
won the Electric A/B event with a 3-flight maxout. The timer p.c. board
on the side of the pylon performs all of the functions that you are
looking for including: arming the brushless motor, soft start the motor,
timing the motor run, braking at the end of the run, and timing of auto
surface functions for VIT, AR, and DT. The auto functions are
controlled by zit magnetic release latches which you can see on the side
of the pylon. Also, please note that there is a push button start
switch; which is released at launch to start all of the timing. I am
currently converting this model to F1Q rules. This will allow a change
from nicad to LiPo batteries which will result in more power and less
weight.
My timer is homemade and is based on a PIC microcontroller. However,
there are other ways to do the job. Charles Groth uses a 555-based timer
in his record-setting AMA Class B electric model. There is a write-up on
his ship in the 2004 Symposium. Also available are the the "Smoothie"
timer and the Black Magic timer; both of which, I think, can be made to
do what you are looking for. So, the technology is there. Go ahead and
build your F1Q. I will help you as best I can.
Regards,
Dick Ivers
No solution ?
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A short reply to Mr. Simon
I do now know where you grew up or how old you are
but for me 74 is just around the corner and contrary
to your comments my youth was very full of all types
of demands on my time,I graduated from college and got
my masters from an Ivy league school and played sports
in both high school and college as well. I enjoyed
making my own fishing rods from split bamboo and tying
my own flies,I also stocked my own hunting rifle and
did a fair amount of hunting and fishing and kept my
old car running at the same time! But to the point I
want to make and that is I designed and built my
first Wakefield at age eleven,not because I was any
better or smarter than anyone else but I was
interested enough to MAKE THE TIME.My own son love to
go flying and fly my models. When I insisted that he
had to build his own that was the end of his
interest,Everyone alive in this high speed age, no
matter how old they are have a great deal of outside
pressures for their time and it is up to the
individual on how to divide it.Learning to fly a
world/class model..that is OK but how about the
thousands of potential young fliers that may be out
there who do not have the thousand dollars plus to buy
themselves a competitive model?Are we being fair to to
this faction?.... are not these the very kids that
should not be lost.The raw newcomers without parental
help and not just the small handful of kids that dad
is going to stick an expensive model in their hand.Are
our numbers not in a landslide to oblivion already?
What would happen if these current suppliers stopped
selling models? Would we have to stop driving if Ford
shut down,,obviously not, people know how to build
autos all over the world and I sincerely hope that
when I am riding the big thermal in the sky that there
will still be American kids with some sticks and glue
cobbling together some form of a model airplane.To
pass on this great hobby we have to find a way to make
it available to all those who may be interested and
not just the "carriage trade" and therein is the
problem and I do wish that I could offer a solution
but I can not.
krine "red" laffler AMA859
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Roger Morrell
