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SCAT Electronic News 25 August 2005 issue 969
Table of Contnets
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Americas Cup Results
Hello from Denmark
Luddites are cool - Mosely
Tangent FAI - Roberts and Mac
PayPal and EBAY - AALmps
From Peter King (re DT Descent Rates)
Fast Richard- Albriss
Black Gold Gummi
International Inza - Chaussebourg
USB Palmz - Linkosalo
DT desent rates and angles - Linksalo
Re: Melting At The Nats - BP
Of Course the Navy ROWs - Mate
Looking for Bob S = Mate
DT Sink Rates - Gewain
F1B DT Rates
Americas Cup Results
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Americas Cup events ; Geneseo NY August 19 , 20 & 21 2005
Empire State Free Flight Championships sponsered by W.N.Y.F.F.S.
Lyle Whitford CD ; John Clapp event director
F1A - Towline Total / Place
Andrew Barron AMA 14095
120 ; 109 ; 117 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 826 - 1st
Bob Sifleet AMA 18326
76 ; 120 ; 107 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 . 783 - 2nd
Art Ellis AMA 3266
120 ; 65 ; 117 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 782 - 3rd
Bob Sowder AMA 22179
66 ; 79 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 59 . 684 - 4th
F1B - Wakefield
Tom Ioerger AMA 94350
120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 . 840 - 1st
Jerry McGlashan MAAC 960
113 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 . 833 - 2nd
John Clapp AMA 19400
120 ; 98 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 . 818 - 3rd
Joe Friebis AMA 27044
99 ; 120 ; 51 ; 47 ; 69 ; 120 ; 50 . 556 - 4th
F1C - Power No Entries
F1P - !/2A Fixed (Junior / Senior)
Brian Pacelli AMA 788155
120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 144 ; 150 . 894 - 1st
Alan Eck AMA 832175
120 ; 120 ; 150 ; 122 . 512 - 2nd
Americas Cup (cont’d) Total / Place
F1G - Coupe d’Hiver
John Clapp AMA 19400
92 ; 120 ; 120 ; 92 ; 120 . 544 - 1st
Larry Pelatowski AMA 13781
120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 65 ; -0- . 425 - 2nd
Don Rousseau AMA 714435
120 ; 120 ; 57 ; 82 ; 44 . 423 - 3rd
F1H - A/1 Towline
Bob Sifleet AMA 18326
120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 . 600 - 1st
Art Ellis AMA 3266
120 ; 79 ; 92 ; 120 ; 76 . 487 - 2nd
Vic Nippert AMA 7999
120 ; 90 ; 57 ; 88 ; 120 . 475 - 3rd
Jean Pailet AMA 2222
113 ; 85 ; 51 ; 120 ; 53 . 422 - 4th
Tom Ioerger AMA 94350
120 ; 92 ; 30 ; 68 ; 82 . 392 - 5th
F1J - 1/2A Power
Jean Pailet AMA 2222
120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 120 . 600 - 1st
Tom Kerr AMA 27827
120 ; 120 ; 120 ; 37 ; 120 . 517 - 2nd
This concludes this list of results . Lyle Whitford
Hello from Denmark
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Hi Roger,
Do you know about problems to send e-mails to Artem or Eugeni?
I tryed to reach both, because I have a little amount grew rubber Artem
can get for free.
See you soon in Lost Hills.
Henning
Luddites are cool
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>the temperature reached a oppressing 90-95 degrees every day. (snip)
>Although AMA fliers have more flexibility in scheduling their flights,
>I observed many flying in the searing noon heat, trying to make a
>5, 6 or 7 minute max.(snip) I am suggesting that F1A-B-C contests at
the Nats should try to
>avoid flying during the hottest hours of the day.
There have been several days at Geneseo this season when heat and
humidity levels have been similar.. in fact, noted over 100 at the HAG
building on one occasion. Flying continued uninterrupted. One wonders
why, if the AMA people can handle it, the FAI flyers find it a problem?.
[ ... only those east of the Rockies ... :-)]
Tangent FAI
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We know that lots of flyers have a reason for not wanting to travel to Oreegone
cause it might rain or something. Well, not this year baby! Flying weather
was spectacular both days, with sunshine and very little drift until the final
fly off flight for the F1 A guys; and that was still no big whup to time or
retrieve. Morning air was dense with a layer that once on top was not too
tough for the high climbers but somewhat more challenging for the towline
flyers. Later the thermals could be small or boomers but narrow so afternoon
flying was very tricky. Most flights were landing on our primary field even
though we did not position the flight line optimally with the few that left
not going very far into the adjoining and easily accessible fields. Did I
say, spectacular Free Flight weather? You should'a made it, but nooo, you had
an excuse. Twenty people attended the Chinese food fight on Friday evening
and given the volume of the conversations, I think all had a good time.
Turn out was disappointing and if not for the great group of California flyers
that pounded up I-5 ( we had better stop bad mouthing CA), the contest would
have been ridiculously small. Thank you all from California (how do you spell
how Arnold pronounces it) and where the heck were you Northwest guys. At
least we now have Pierre, the recruiter, living among us and I am giving him
all the phone numbers and e addresses for next time. Let the arm twisting
begin.
The "Facts, Jack". Only fly offs were in F1 J, with Dave Parsons getting the
win on an early morning, to the ground flight. A duke out for top F1 A honors
and the Wayne Drake trophy between Don Zink and Jim Parker took them to the
seven minute flight as the breeze from the west came up with much cooler air.
Don kited his model from the launch point to be down wind of Jim when the
round opened, a technique I had never seen before. Don launched first into
Oregon "nuttin honey" air with Jim towing and waiting until the very end.
Still not much there, as it was cooling rapidly, with Jim getting the win
thus putting his name on the trophy with his son, Dallas, a two time previous
winner. Thanks again to all that attended.
Scores:
F1 H
1st Dallas Parker 600
2nd Norm Smith 536
F1 G
1st Rich Rohrke 600
F1 J
1st Dave Parsons 950
2nd Mike Roberts 926
3rd Ed Carroll 849
F1 A
1st Jim Parker 1752
2nd Don Zink 1708
3rd Norm Smith 1141
4th Lee Hines 1140
5th Dallas Parker 1116
6th Pierre Brun 987
F1 B
1st Rich Rohrke 1199
2nd Lee Schroeder 815
F1 C
1st Mike Roberts 1260
2nd Ron McBurnett 1188
3rd Ed Carroll 768
F1 P
1st Dave Parsons 266
2nd Ed Carroll 19
Ron McBurnett & Mike Roberts CD's
PayPal and EBAY
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I'm receiving 'funny' messages that claim to be from PayPal every day now and
similar ones are coming claiming to be from EBAY. Before responding to any of
these things that ask you to log into a web page, forward them as appropriate:
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If they are fake messages, you will soon get a response from either company
thanking you for sending them the note.
AL
2005 Southwest Regionals contest web report: www.aalmps.com/2005swr.htm
A. A. Lidberg model plan service
http://www.aalmps.com/
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From Peter King (re DT Descent Rates)
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DT decent rates
Hi Tapio. Interesting to see those data logged DT descent rates. I did a
rough calc some time back based on standard data for flat plates at right
angles to the air etc. It showed a similar sink rate for both F1B & F1A, ca 11
ft/sec (3.4 m/s), give or take 15% or so. This is a little at odds with your
results. I think the F1B sink rate is normally higher than you quote, but I
don't have the luxury of a data logger so this is very interesting. By the same
flat plate calcs, a 14 Sq Dm F1G was about 9 ft/sec (2.8 m/s) It will be
very useful to nail down good still air descent rates in order to do rough climb
height calcs, for those who don't have data loggers. Also they would be
prohibitively heavy to use in an F1G I think(?) Does anyone else have any good
data for this? It would be useful to know for F1C as well. For Coupe, any data
should also specify the wing area as these vary considerably from small Russian
style F1G's (11 to 13 Sq Dm or so), to big 15 sq dm or larger models.
> Peter King
Fast Richard
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Fellow Free Flighters,
On Tuesday of Nats week Jimmy Bocckinfuso and I did a 15 minute video
interview with Fast Richard. It will be included in the 2005 Nats Video. In
the interview he tells stories of Snyder Swamp and other F/F tidbits. I'll
let everyone know when the video becomes available.
Regards,
Alan Abriss
Http://www.homegrowntv.com
Free Flight Videos now has secure internet credit card facilities.
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Black Gold Gummi
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Hello, Everyone
Thank you all for rubber, but now I need the money :)))))
Artem Babenko
International Inza
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Dear Roger,
I would like to bring also some memories about Inza.
The first time we came to USA, Josette and me, was in 1976. We arrived on
the 1rst of July, and were met at LAX by a nice group of so good friends:
Bob and Tony WHITE, Bob and La Vera ISAACSON, Bob and Connie PISERCHIO, Lee
HINES and may be some others...
The next day, Bob WHITE took us to Lake Elsinore where I made my very first
flights in California.
On the 4th of July, we went to the big party that Dick mentioned, to Bill
and Inza.
There, we met other friends: probably all Free Flighters living in
California at that time.
Inza was everywhere and Bill was taking care of the barbecue... So nice
time!
Then, when the night came, everybody went away after everything had been
left clean, which was something new for us, as here in France, when the
friends are gone, then you have all the work to do...
We stayed there with Bill, Inza and their boys.
On the next morning, when we came for breakfast, we saw a blackboard on the
back of the kitchen door: each boy had something to do before doing anything
else! Inza had written instructions with a piece of chalk for the boys!
Bill and Inza came several times to Europe, and we were lucky that they
found some time to visit us in our house, after our retirement. They still
had that little antique Wolkswagen camper with which they visited all
Europe. We had a good time together, visiting the Chateau de Chenonceaux by
night, and some vineries...
It was always "Bill AND Inza", impossible to think about one without
thinking of the other one.
Bill, we'll never forget Inza.
Pierre
USB Palmz
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> [Aram and others ..
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> My software requires a Palm with a serial connection.
> Typically most Zires do not support that.
> If someone the the USA needs a Palm the best deal is a Palm IIIxe from
> outpost.com .
I've been facing the same problem with the altitude logger softaware for
Palm that I've written with Petri Kuikka: it reads data only through
serial, while most of new Palms are USB-only.
Unfortunately the problem is not straightforward so solve, and for one
thing, the USB-to-serial -adapters that are available to PC's do not work.
The reason is that a USB connection is asymmetrical, there is a "host" and
a "client" end. PC's are typically hosts, and while a Palm connects to a
PC for syncronization, it is a client. The adapter is intended to be used
on a PC, i.e. host, so it will not work on a Palm.
DT desent rates and angles
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> Thanks heaps for the data Tapio.
> I wonder if you could give a rough estimate of the
> angle of descent in these two cases that you mention ?
> My convention is 90 deg is vertical.
> (Seems that the many theoretical estimates are too high as I suspected. )
Unfortunately I have no data on this one, as the altitude logger only
reads altitude, not horizontal location. Anyway, observing my wakefields
DT and sometimes trying to catch them from the air shows some horizontal
movement, faster than walking, rather slow run, which might be a couple of
meters per second?
-tapio-
Re: Melting At The Nats
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With no disrespect intended for Mr. Schlosberg, I do not believe that heat shou
ld qualify as something causes an unsportsmanlike outcome. Believe me I know wh
at flying in the heat is, I fly at Lost Hills(aka surface of the sun) all year
long. However to me it is something that poses a challenge not an unfair outcom
e. Baseball players play when the field is well over 100 degrees, football play
ers play when its snowing, and soccer players...well um...they play when they a
ren't whining (sorry Mr. Diaz) But that's besides the point. We are men that ca
n handle the natural elements(after all we are so masculine that we tow around
pieces of carbon with a string) I say bring it on! I'm quite anxious to begin f
lying again since I haven't held that special string since the SCAT Annual! On
to another subject. Congratulations to the new Jr team members, I'm sure that t
his years Nat's was another wonderful experience for them! Remember this when e
ver your conscious
FLY MAX WIN!
Benjamin Pierce
Of course the Navy ROWs
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Bogie I guess now we know that 20 ft is not big enough for a B job in
ROW. In the good old days with Navy stations we had natural bodies of
water for ROW. Today at Muncie we have a different problem. I hope we
get it solved. The pond by the Museum is just too close to the
buildings. Actually an artificial lake in a flyable area would be good
because it would be there every year. Kind of like a retention pond.
Just ideas. Anyone else with ideas for ROW just chime in. Ed Mate
Looking for Bob S
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Can anyone give me Bob Sifleet's email or regular address or phone =
number please? Thanks, Ed Mate
DT Sink Rates
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I added a recording altimeter to my F1C model this summer. The results
are interesting and I can not explain the differences in the DT sink
rate on the flights. Flying early in the morning at Lost Hills during
June and July the Sink Rates were consistently between 11.5 and 12.0
fps. Then in early August I went to the NATS in Indiana and the sink
rates for the same model were between 12.2 and 13.5 fps. Again these
flight were in the early morning.
Indiana has a lot more humidity and tall corn and big trees just off the
flying field that do create more turbulence. But these flights were
early in the day and the wind was very light.
Matt Gewain
F1B Sink
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Editor
I use the same Altimeter as Matt and Tapio. On my F1B it's connected
to the servo power on the Black magic timer - so it
powers down about 5 seconds after DT. So maybe my numbers
are not as accurate. I have a very high stab angle because I fly
at Lost Hills where there are big thermals. On 3 sucessive flights
on a airplane that is probably about 5-7 grams over weight plus another
9 for the altimter I got DT rates of 11.5, 13 and 14 feet sec. These
corresponded to the 'quality of the air. On the slower I was in good
lift and on the fastest I was in serious sink.
........................
Roger Morrell
