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News and Reports 2003
SCAT Electronic News 5 May 2003 issue 796
Table of Contents
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Volkov encore
SOUTHERN CROSS CUP RESULTS - Stowe
Huron Cup - Brokenspar
May 24-25, Sky-Scrapers Challenge - Barron et al
Even More on GPS - van Wallene
F1B wings from www.img.ru - Deloach
AFFS 2003 Championships Results - Mitchell
Garmin GPS geko 201 - Fantham
HAFFA Contest 14-15 June - Wiley
Vladimir Volkov
Spring Cup - Parker
Black Magic and hall effect
Ornithopters
Great Grape Gathering - Mosley
Automatics - Segrave
Vol Libre editing
GPS Saga - Dilly
Thanks
Volkov encore
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Dear Roger,
I am deperatly looking for a man named Vladimir Volkov from the ukrain.
I bought a 6 panel extra long wing from him at the junior world champs at
Lucenec in Slovakia.
I want to buy another one.
please if anyone knows him help me!!
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Ittai Shichman.
SOUTHERN CROSS CUP RESULTS
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Dear Roger,
Please find following the results for the Southern Cross Cup which was
conducted at Narrandera NSW on the 22nd and 23rd of April 2003. The site was
in the same area as last years event, at Widgiewa a grazing property off
the Urana road approx 50 klms south east of Narrandera. The weather
conditions were excellent with temperatures ranging between 8-28 degrees C ,
and wind velocities ranging from 0-4 mtrs / sec. A flight line was
established using cone markers and did not need relocation for the duration
of the contest. Visibility was generally good, although airborne dust and
heat haze made timekeeping difficult in some rounds. The super max system
was not implemented due to this airborne dust and its unpopularity, only two
competitors required a flyoff.
Of special interest was your man Brian Van Nest who came "down under" for
the second year and almost managed to take out F1B, losing out in a 7
minute fly off with perhaps one of the all time greats Don Blackam.
The other interesting fact was that we need some of your F1C flyers to
keep this event alive, perhaps 2004 with 4 World Cup comps in 3 weeks (2 in
NZ, 2 in Aus) the best beer, fantastic weather , in two of the most
interesting places on the planet.
F1A.
1st. Phil Mitchell AUS 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260
2nd. Brian Van Nest USA 180 180 180 155 180 180 180 1235
3rd. Jeremy Woolley AUS 180 180 158 180 180 160 180 1218
4th. Ben Lewis AUS 180 92 180 180 180 180 180 1172
5th. Vin Morgan AUS 162 180 176 93 180 180 180 1151
6th. Brett Mitchell (Jnr) AUS 151 167 108 144 180 180 180 1110
7th. (ms) Jan Thomas AUS 95 119 136 180 180 180 180 1070
8th. Martin Williams AUS 161 176 180 180 94 96 180 1067
9th. Malcolm Campbell AUS 141 116 133 180 72 180 180 1002
10th. Mark Armour AUS 102 138 155 180 66 180 180 1001
F1B.
1st. Don Blackam AUS 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 1260 + 300 + 253
2nd. Brian Van Nest USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 18O 1260 + 300 +119
3rd. Richard Blackam AUS 180 180 180 180 180 175 180 1255
4th. Peter Sikora AUS 180 180 180 180 180 164 180 1244
5th. (ms) Leigh Morgan AUS 180 180 180 180 180 146 180 1226
6th. Bill Pudney AUS 180 180 180 175 18O 126 180 1201
7th. Mark Armour AUS 164 180 180 180 145 171 180 1200
8th. Ted Woolley AUS 180 180 108 180 180 180 180 1188
9th. Terry Bond AUS 180 180 153 180 116 180 175 1164
10th. Paul Rossiter AUS 180 74 180 180 180 180 180 1154
11th. Jim Christie AUS 180 180 180 87 180 165 180 1152
12th. Guy Bateman AUS 100 169 114 67 180 100 161 891
F1C.
Not flown due to lack of entries.
Huron Cup
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The Canadians, always unique, seem to have a Saturday in July 13...
Brokenspar
May 24-25, Sky-Scrapers Challenge
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Dear Free Flighters,
Here is the schedule for the Skyscraper Challenge on Memorial Day
weekend. I hope that you will be interested to come to our meet.
Thermals!
Andrew Barron
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SKY-SCRAPERS INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGE
America's Cup and National Cup
FAI, AMA, Nostalgia, FAC
May 24-25, 2003
Barron, Dean Ford, and Shuback Fields
Wawayanda, New York
FAI EVENTS:
[Mini-FAI Saturday Morning. Maxi-FAI starts Saturday evening.]
Saturday May 24:
Mini-FAI events: F1G (rubber), F1H (glider), F1J/P (power). 2 min max.
Round 1: 9:00-10:30am
Round 2: 10:00-11:30am
Round 3: 11:00-12:30
Round 4: 12:00- 1:30pm
Round 5: 1:00- 2:30pm
Flyoffs: 2:40pm --
Awards at 4pm for events that are complete at that time.
Refreshments at award table (4:00-5:00pm).
Big-FAI events: F1A (glider), F1B (wakefield), F1C (power).
Satuday Evening:
Round 1: 5:30-7:00pm 180 sec max
Round 2: 6:30-8:00pm Super max (time between 180 and 240 is bonus)*
Sunday Morning May 25:
Round 3: 7:30- 9:00am Super max*
Round 4: 8:30-10:00am 180 sec max
Round 5: 9:30-11:00am max TBA (150 or 180 depending on weather)
Round 6: 10:30-12noon
Round 7: 11:30-1:00pm
*Rounds 2 and 3 are bonus time round, per current FAI rules.
Weather permitting, times over 180 seconds count as
preliminary flyoff times for those who get at least 180 seconds
(or max) on all seven rounds.
FAI director: Aram Schlosberg assisted by Andrew Barron or Ron Felix.
FAI fliers enter at Skyscraper table with Dave Acton, then turn
in scores between each flight at the FAI table.
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AMA, AMA CLASSIC, AND NOSTALGIA EVENTS
Saturday May 24: 9am--4pm. [Awards at 4pm.]
1/2 A GAS, Hand Launch Glider, ABC Nostalgia, Mulvihill,
Classic Rubber & Classic Wakefield (combined).
Early Sunday: 7:10-7:25am
Dawn Unlimited.
Sunday May 25: 8am to 3:30pm. [Awards at 3:30pm.]
ABC GAS, Catapult Glider, 1/2 A Nostalgia, 1/2A&ABC Classic,
P-30 Rubber. Pee-Wee 30 Power.
Overall Skyscraper Contest Director: Dave Acton (914-948-4234)
89 N. Broadway, White Plains, NY 10603.
Entry for AMA, NOS, and FAI: $12 for first event, 4 dollars each for
additional events. Maximum of $20 per person. Juniors and Seniors
are 1/2 price. Trophy for first place and customized certificates
through at least third. High time recognition to best finishing
Junior or Senior in each event flown.
Bryton Barron perpetual trophy to best junior performance in AMA or
FAI with model of own construction. Art Phillips Perpetual Trophy
for Dawn Unlimited.
Special Casano Event Sunday May 25 (hosted by Krin Laffler, Bill
Buss, and others). For any model designed by Al Casano. Special
commemorative trophy.
Like other special events, Mulvihill was not part of original list,
but due to its popularity (especially with Juniors) it will be run,
separately if need be.
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FAC EVENTS (hosted by the Glastonbury Modelers):
Saturday, May 24 (9am-4pm)
Giant, Jumbo, and FAC Scale combined
Dime Scale
Embryo Endurance
World War I mass launch
World War II mass launch
Peanut Scale mass launch
Shell Speed Dash (2 flight total)
FAC Event Director: Ed Pelatowski (203) 735-9494.
Register with Ed by completing the Event Participation List,
showing AMA membership and providing $7.00 for field expenses.
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The field is on Orange County Route 12, in Wawayanda, six miles
south of Route 17M near Middletown, NY. Nearby airports include
Newburg, NY (30 min from field) or White Plains, NY; Hartford, CT;
LaGuardia, NY; Albany, NY; Newark, NJ; or Wilks-Barre-Scranton, PA
(all of which are less than 2 hours from the field).
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MOTORIZED VEHICHLES: Cars on farm roads, motorcycles on Dean
Ford Grass and at edge of each commercial strip of Barron Field sod
(within 3 or 4 feet of ditch, if ground is firm enough). No motorized
vehicles on the foot bridges. No motorized vehicles in the corn fields
and no motorized vehicles on the Lois Ford fields and paths to the
southwest.
Golf carts are permitted anywhere on commercial sod or farm roads
or grass areas, but not on foot bridges.
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DIRECTIONS:
*From New York city, take I-87 to Highway 17 to exit 123 (labeled
Middletown), west on 17M for 3.5 miles, to Orange County Route 12
(at the New Hampton, Town of Wawayanda sign), then turn left, heading
south 6.3 miles. After Gardnersville Road, the Barron and Ford
fields are on the left at the Grain Silo-- drive onto the Barron
farm road to pass through the corn field. The sod farm is 3/4 mile
ahead. [This takes about one hour from the Tappan Zee bridge.]
*From New England and from upper New York, take I-84 to exit 3,
Rt. 17M, go east 1.5 miles, then south (right) on County. Rt. 12
for 6.3 miles. Field is on the left. [About thirty minutes from
Newburg.]
*From Western New York take Route 17 to I-84, south 3 miles to
exit 3, Route 17M, go east 1.5 miles, then south on County. Rt. 12
for 6.3 miles. Field is on the left.
*From Pennsylvania and points south, take I-84 to exit 2, turn left
off the ramp and then go one mile to the northeast on Route 6, turn
right at the sign pointing toward Pine Island (onto County Route 1),
go six miles east on County Route 1 (through Westtown), then veer
left at the sign for New Hampton onto County Route 12. Go one mile
north on County Route 12. The field is on the right at the Grain
Silo. Drive in on Barron Farm road 3/4 mile to go past the corn to
the sod-farm.
Check the following web site for other relevant matters.
http://www.brooklynskyscrapers.org
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HOTELS:
Days Inn on 17M in Middletown, exit 3, east, off I-84.
845-374-2411.
Price approximately $70. Good quality. Closest to the field.
Global Budget Inn of America on 17M, also exit 3 off I-84.
845-374-3020.
Price between $50 - $60. Reasonable quality, though credit card
does not guarantee room with late arrival.
Holiday Inn at exit 4, east, off I-84, exit 122 off Highway 17.
845-343-1474.
Price approximately $90.
Hampton Inn at exit 4, east, off I-84, exit 122 off Highway 17.
845-343-3400.
Super 8 at exit 120 off Highway 17 (exit 4, west, off I-84).
845-692-5828.
Middletown Motel on Rt. 211, exit 120 off HWY 17 (exit 4 off I-84).
845-342-2535.
Price approximately $70.
Howard Johnsons Motel, Rt. 211, exit 120 off HWY 17.
There are also several Hotels at exits off I-84 to the
southwest (Port Jervis, exit 1) and northeast (Walden, exit 5),
each about 30 minutes from the field.
Plus a bed and breakfast in Warwick (at the intersection
of Route 1 and Route 94).
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Even More on GPS
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Dear all,
I just got a mail from Reiner Hofsaess. He is using the Garmin Geko, and
claims the cross track error can in fact be visualised on screen.
However, this feature appears not to be documented in the Geko manual
(can be downloaded from the Garmin internet site).
So apart from the absence of an external antenna connector, the Geko
does appear to be on top on the FF-suitability/price index as indicated
by Mike.
Here is what Reiner wrote about the Geko:
Hallo Allard,
I bought the Geko to use it on land. I can upload a nearly unlimited
number of trackpoints from marco-polo- or map-and-guide-routingprogram
and it keeps 10000 trackpoints in the active log, so I can track with a
short record interval.
On the other side it is a backup-device to contol my autopilot on the
boat. It transmits following sentences:
$GPRMB,V,0.62,L,TURN 9,TURN
1,4846.874,N,00907.050,E,0.668,189.9,10.0,V,S*6C
$GPGGA,010144,4847.5302,N,00907.2238,E,8,08,2.0,105.7,M,48.0,M,,*40
$GPGSA,A,3,05,07,09,14,18,23,26,29,,,,,3.6,2.0,3.0*3F
$GPGSV,2,1,08,05,53,248,48,07,34,056,45,09,87,043,52,14,19,319,41*74
$GPGSV,2,2,08,18,14,255,40,23,17,267,40,26,25,171,43,29,08,163,36*7A
$GPGLL,4847.5302,N,00907.2238,E,010144,V,S*4C
$GPBOD,257.2,T,256.6,M,TURN 1,TURN 9*4A
$PGRME,15.0,M,22.5,M,27.0,M*1A
$PGRMZ,347,f,3*1B
$GPWPL,4846.661,N,00907.808,E,TURN 3*44
$GPRMC,010146,V,4847.5251,N,00907.2189,E,10.8,212.2,020503,0.5,E,S*27
The first value in the sentence RMB (0.62) is the cross track error.
Info about NMEA 0183:
http://www.nacs.de/schiffel/nmea0183/
Greetings
Reiner
F1B wings from www.img.ru
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I am currently compiling various F1B parts in an attempt to get another
model completed. Can anyone comment on the pros and cons of the wings from
www.img.ru? The price is right but is the quality comparable to the more
well-known makers? Also, I've heard guys are cutting their motor tubes
shorter for 30 grams. Is there a new *standard* length?
Thanks in Advance,
Don DeLoach
MMM, Colorado
AFFS 2003 Championships Results
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G'Day Roger,
please find attached the full results from the Australian
Free Flight Championships including the World Cup Round held over Easter at
Narranderra,NSW.
Regards
Phil Mitchell
Garmin GPS geko 201
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Allard said that, "...in response to Mike's 'ad' on suitable GPS units, I
would like to mention that this particular unit (geko 201) does not show
the so called 'cross track error' which tells you how many meters you are
off track (shortest local distance from you to the calculated track; a
straight line from launch waypoint to model waypoint) according to the
manual I downloaded from the Garmin site. As far as I know only the Etrex
Summit, Garmin GPS-II and GPS-III units additionally provide for this
feature next to the other 'FF essentials'."
Allard,
the geko 201 does show 'cross track error' as the 'off course' option on
the 'Trip Computer' page - see pages 9/10 in the manual. You can down-load
the manual from the Garmin web site at www.garmin.com. The Garmin GPS 12
can also display this data as an option on its 'highway page'. I have
found that just using the map page, as available on the basic Garmin eTrex
and other machines, lets me follow the line very accurately. My method is
fully described in the 'Free Flight Forum' report I mentioned - see SEN
792.
Klaus said that, "...A property missing in the new Garmin, however, is the
option to attach an external antenna which becomes helpful when chasing by
car. That is why I bought a Garmin Pilot III instead of my first handhold.
I just add an extension cable using BNC connectors instead of buying an
(expensive) external antenna.".
Klaus,
I have used the basic eTrex GPS in the car by clipping in under the
sun-roof on the sliding shade, or putting it well forward in the
windscreen. I don't advise trying to view the GPS when driving! You may
end up looking for a doctor instead of your model!
The GPS model you mention would be easier to use in the car, but the tiny
size of the 201 is very nice. They are Pounds 120 in England.
Happy hunting, regards
Mike Fantham
(Not connected with Garmin)
HAFFA Contest 14-15 June
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Hi Roger:
The Heart of America Free Flight Association is sponsoring a National Cup
meet 14-15 June at the Kansas Speedway in Kansas City, Kansas. For those who
are unable to travel to Pensacola but who wish to accumulate time for FAI
team selection, we will have F1A, B, and C events on Saturday and we will
also have mini events on Sunday. Note that this is not an America's Cup
event. Information may be obtained at http://www.sunflower.com/~edwiley/ or
from the NFFS master contest calendar.
Best wishes, Ed Wiley
Vladimir Volkov
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Dear Roger,
I am desperatly looking for a man named Vladimir Volkov from the ukrain
I bought an extra long wing from him at the Junior world champs in Slovakia.
please if anyone heard of him please talk to me.
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Regards,
Ittai Shichman.
Spring Cup
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11the Annual Spring Cup 2003, Seguin
Good turnout, reasonable weather on Saturday, nasty on Sunday rounds 3-5.
Several moves and an easterly breeze caused us to fly two minute maxes on
Saturday. We actually had serveral ships litterally thrown to the ground by
the severe turbulence in the late rounds Sunday. Good diversity in flyers
with participants from Arizona, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas and El Paso
(which is just barely in Texas).
F1A (6 Flew)
1) Steve Spence 836
2) Mike Fedor 817
3) Jackie Sheffer 719
4) Jesse Shepherd 671
5) Mike Reeves 291
** John Schelp 120 (Junior for Team Quals)
F1B (4 Flew)
1) Richard Wood 827
2) Jim O'Reilly 778 (Coin Toss)
3) Ed Williamson 778 "
4) Fred Pearce 480
F1C (3 Flew)
1) Henry Spence 1202
2) Reid Simpson 1114
3) Faust Parker 480 (Hand in Prop RD5)
P30 (9 Flew)
1) Arthur Milam 360
2) Don Hockaday 352
3) Robert Hanford, Sr. 334
4) Craig Hollier 308
5) Allen Shields 259
Open Gas (7 Flew)
1) Robert Hanford, Jr. 816
2) Russ Snyder 814
3) John Irwin 807
4) Jackie Sheffer 791
5) Doug Jones 686
F1G (5 Flew)
1) Richard Wood 600
2) Eddie VanLandingham 573
3) Jim O'Reilly 435
4) Ed Williamson 360
5) John O'Dwyer 299
F1H (3 Flew)
1) Mike Fedor 360
2) Jackie Sheffer 127
3) Mike Reeves 82
F1J (9 Flew)
1) Jackie Sheffer 600 (To be settle in June)
1) Faust Parker 600 "
3) Marvin Mace 579
4) Bob Hanford, Jr. 567
5) Russ Snyder 537
** John Schelp 423 (Junior for team Quals)
Jr/Sr High Time : Jon Schelp
F1 (A,B,C) High Time: Henry Spence
Licking My Wounds, Faust
Black Magic and hall effect
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I ahve had a number of questions about the Hall Effect
'switches' that are an otion with Blabk Magic timers.
This is an answer.
The Hall Effect 'switch' is a transistor that is affected
by an adjacent magnetic field. The presences or absence of the
field is dtected by the device.
There are a wide variety of Hall Effect switches with different
characteristics. Some related to the magnetic properties
and some to the output from the Hall Effect device [ - signal
high or low , latched or not latched, etc].
On the Black and Red Magic timers the way the switch works
is that when it is closed it connects a pin to ground.
So the Hall Effect devices that are used with BlackMagic
drop the signal line to ground when magnetic 'contact' is made.
So on a standard BlackMagic there is a signal line and a ground
line for the two 'switches' , Hook forward and unlatch. To make
the Hall Effect 'switch' work you connect it's ground to the ground
line, the signal to the signal line and the third pin is connected to a
positive power supply.
I have slightly simplfied the explanation because the Hall Effect
switch has to match the kind of pin [CMOS, TTL , etc] but typically
most seem to work.
So in reply to the general question will the Hall Effect switches
I supply for Black magic timers work with other timers ? Obviously they
would work with RedMagic but I do not know how any other
electronic timers work in sufficent detail to tell you.
Ornithopters
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just came across you site. iam planning to organize a "ICARIUS SOCIETY"(After
the myth of ICarius flapping wings etc.) Since M.A.V.(Micro Aerial Vehicles)
Are being developed to be used as spoy drones. Ornithoopters may yet(In a
small way) come into there own!I have a pet criow, noticed that he(or she?)
takes to the air in a leap! Then the flappinfg or rotating of wings to fly
begin. So, if a really man sized ORNI(MY short name fior iornithopter) Takes
to the air. The main problem as with all aircraft is getting into the air in
the first place! Perhaps some sort of rocket or catapult(Compressed air)
could be used to push a ORNI into a high enough trejectory to fly "like a
bird"? Take care Dr. edson Andre' Johnson D.d. Icarius Society 10799 Sherman
Grove ave. #18, Sunland, Ca. U.s..a Tel: 818-389-3206
Great Grape Gathering
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Jointly sponsored by Ontario's SAM86 club and the Western New York FF =
Society the annual "Great Grape Gathering' is to be held at Geneseo, NY =
June 27-29
Friday 27th:
1/2A Nostalgia
.020 Replica/ 1/4A NosGas combined
P30
Cloud Tramp
Embryo Endurance
Saturday 28th:
FAC OT Gas replica Electric
ABC Nostalgia
Bob Gordon Trophy (Slow/Classic Power)
Commercial Rubber
OT Small Fuselage (to 150 sq ins)
OT Large Stick (over 150 sq ins)
Cloud Tramp massed launch - ladies only! No BOM rule for this one!
27 & 28th - Combined HLG and CLG over both days
Sunday 29th:
Slow/Classic Power - up to .15 only
OT Small Stick
OT Large Fuselage
FAC Golden Age Civil Scale
Unlimited Rubber
Jim Moseley
Automatics
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Why are there so many negatives in Free flight? You can't do this, you can't
do that, its outside the rules etc.,etc.,etc. Why can't we be more positive?
Like, just accept some proposals in the spirit in which they are proffered
and not look for some hidden factor which might put the idea beyond the
means of the viewer!! If it's not PURE freeflight, then it must be bad seems
a typical attitude. Thus radio is classed as a dirty word. But what about
using a radio control to transmit some of the onboard measurements such as
flight speed, angle of descent, angle during turns etc???? during flight? Is
there anyone who has done ANYTHING in this line??
Regards
Mike S
Vol Libre editing
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VOL LIBRE No 150 est paru le 24 avril 2003 -
Andre SCHANDEL - 16 chemin de Beulenwoerth
67 000 STRASBOURG ROBERTSAU
France -
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GPS Saga
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Roger,
Regarding Allard's GPS item on the useful cross-track error
facility, the Garmin GPS-12 certainly has it as well; very handy it is,
too.
Martin Dilly
Thanks
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Thanks to Bob Van Nest for his donation in support of SEN
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Roger Morrell
