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SCAT Electronic News 14 September 1999
Table of Contents
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WC Results - Lagan etc
CIAM propsoed proposals [4] - Schlosberg
MaxMen Date - Batiuk
Rule change to F1B - Brooks
The Carbon Cutter - Weiler
Cutting Carbon Fiber - Bradley
Hobby Shops ? - East
NFFS Pubs has Brit FF Forum - Terzian
WC Results
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Roger,
Just arrived back in NZ after the WC trip and noted the WC results
sparsity.
Here's a text version of the complete WC results extracted from the
FAI's web pages... Quite a long list but a reasonably small file size.
Regards,
Paul
FAI World Championship 1999
Held at Be'er-Sheba, Israel from August 25 to 31
Flight times are given in each of the 7 rounds in seconds.
Competitors in the flyoff have total time shown and each flyoff round
time preceded by + .
F1A
Individual results
1 Dariusz Stezalski POL 1290 + 329
2 Namio Takahashi JPN 1290 + 303 + 267
3 Pieter De Boer NED 1290 + 303 + 0
4 Victor Chop UKR 1290 + 297
5 Frank Adametz GER 1290 + 290
6 Ferenc Kerner HUN 1290 + 285
7 Kenji Sumi JPN 1290 + 281
8 Damir Rogoz CRO 1290 + 280
9 Jury Titov RUS 1290 + 276
9 Per Findahl SWE 1290 + 276
11 Alexey Ryazantsev RUS 1290 + 275
12 Manfred Gruneis AUT 1290 + 274
13 Diego Bovari ARG 1290 + 267
14 Jie Liu CHN 1290 + 266
15 Rene Limberger LUX 1290 + 265
16 Stefan Rumpp GER 1290 + 264
17 Anders Persson SWE 1290 + 263
18 Eran Wish ISR 1290 + 262
18 Jim Parker USA 1290 + 262
20 Dusan Fric CZE 1290 + 256
21 Vidas Dimavicius LTU 1290 + 253
22 Bohuslav Ryz CZE 1290 + 251
23 Jes Nyhegn DEN 1290 + 244
24 Pekka Rahkala FIN 1290 + 239
25 John Williams GBR 1290 + 227
26 Ilan Melamed ISR 1290 + 222
27 Stanislaw Kubit POL 1290 + 221
28 Matej Nardin SLO 1290 + 220
28 Krisztian Kubasch HUN 1290 + 220
30 Ivan Bezak SVK 1290 + 219
31 Peter Allnutt CAN 1290 + 216
32 Hans Schoder SUI 1290 + 212
33 Radoje Blagojevic YUG 1290 + 210
34 Peter Williams GBR 1290 + 209
35 Vladislav Lazarevich UKR 1290 + 183
36 Dejan Gomboc SLO 1290 + 170
37 Paul Lagan NZL 1290 + 164
38 Milan Valastiak SVK 1290 + 141
39 Miroslav Polonec SVK 1290 + 125
40 Haris H Hajdarevic BIH 206 180 180 180 180 180 180 1286
41 Kari Tuisku FIN 210 174 180 180 180 180 180 1284
42 Jari Valo FIN 201 180 180 180 180 180 180 1281
43 Damir Lovincic CRO 199 180 180 180 180 180 180 1279
44 Sabrija Limo BIH 210 168 180 180 180 180 180 1278
45 Peter Summersby AUS 210 180 166 180 180 180 180 1276
46 Siegfried Limberger LUX 196 179 180 180 180 180 180 1275
47 Mikhail Kochkarev RUS 210 180 157 180 180 180 180 1267
48 Vidas Nikolajevas LTU 185 180 180 180 180 180 180 1265
49 Mikael Holmbom SWE 210 173 156 180 180 180 180 1259
50 Milos Fisr CZE 210 146 180 180 180 180 180 1256
51 Mingqing Liu CHN 210 180 145 180 180 180 180 1255
52 Brian Van Nest USA 210 180 164 180 162 175 180 1251
52 Robert Lesko CRO 210 180 141 180 180 180 180 1251
54 Thierry Marilier FRA 210 135 180 180 180 180 180 1245
55 Victor Stamov UKR 210 180 131 180 180 180 180 1241
56 Hernan Alarcon CHI 210 180 180 180 180 126 180 1236
57 Otto Somogyi HUN 155 180 180 180 180 180 180 1235
58 Anthony Ball GBR 210 180 122 180 180 180 180 1232
59 Steve Spence USA 131 180 180 180 180 180 180 1211
60 Thomas Weimer GER 210 180 180 180 180 180 97 1207
61 Zagorac Jovo YUG 210 129 180 180 180 138 180 1197
62 Helmut Fuss AUT 210 180 180 180 180 81 180 1191
63 Peter Aanen NED 210 148 158 130 180 180 180 1186
64 Christoph Bachmann SUI 210 180 180 180 180 72 180 1182
64 Michel Caillaud FRA 185 180 180 180 180 180 97 1182
66 Dalong Sun CHN 210 180 180 70 180 180 180 1180
66 Edin Sahinovic BIH 210 148 164 180 180 118 180 1180
68 Miguel Abarca CHI 183 169 180 180 180 107 180 1179
69 Ants Selgoja EST 175 175 180 180 100 180 180 1170
70 Czeslaw Ziober POL 210 180 122 180 180 180 114 1166
71 Nir Dahan ISR 210 159 180 180 180 180 75 1164
72 Phil Mitchell AUS 210 180 180 146 73 180 180 1149
73 Shigeki Miyamoto JPN 74 180 180 180 180 180 145 1119
74 Antony Koerbin NZL 210 180 180 180 180 0 180 1110
75 Gottfried Bachmann SUI 207 180 180 67 180 104 180 1098
76 Erwin Pacher AUT 210 180 180 171 70 103 180 1094
77 Victor Abarca CHI 179 120 172 72 180 180 180 1083
78 Joze Titan SLO 100 85 105 180 180 180 180 1010
79 Lionel Braud FRA 158 63 72 180 180 85 180 918
Number of maximums 64 64 65 73 75 68 74
Number of full scores 64 55 47 44 44 40 39
F1A Team Results
Country Abbreviation Total Team member places
1 Slovakia SVK 3870 30 38 39
2 Finland FIN 3855 24 41 42
3 Russia RUS 3847 9 11 47
4 Sweden SWE 3839 9 17 49
5 Czech Republic CZE 3836 20 22 50
6 Ukraine UKR 3821 4 35 55
7 Croatia CRO 3820 8 43 52
8 Hungary HUN 3815 6 28 57
9 Great Britain GBR 3812 25 34 58
10 Germany GER 3787 5 16 60
11 USA USA 3752 18 52 59
12 Poland POL 3746 1 27 70
13 Israel I SR 3744 18 26 71
14 Bosnia Herzigovina BIH 3744 40 44 66
15 China CHN 3725 14 51 66
16 Japan JPN 3699 2 7 73
17 Slovenia SLO 3590 28 36 78
18 Austria AUT 3575 12 62 76
19 Switzerland SUI 3570 32 64 75
20 Chile CHI 3498 56 68 7 7
21 France FRA 3345 54 64 79
22 Luxembourg LUX 2565 15 46
23 Lithuania LTU 2555 21 48
24 Yugoslavia YUG 2487 33 61
25 Netherlands NED 2476 3 63
26 Australia AUS 2425 45 72
27 New Zealand NZL 2400 37 74
28 Argentina ARG 1290 13
29 Denmark DEN 1290 23
30 Canada CAN 1290 31
31 Estonia EST 1170 69
F1B
Individual results
1 Oleg Kulakovsky UKR 1290 + 478
2 Bror Eimar SWE 1290 + 477
3 Anselmo Zeri NED 1290 + 448
4 Mituyasu Nakata JPN 1290 + 443
4 Giora Herzberg ISR 1290 + 443
6 Ismet Yurtseven TUR 1290 + 431
7 Vladislav Andriukov USA 1290 + 426
8 Pim Ruyter NED 1290 + 425
9 Mirsad Kapetanovic BIH 1290 + 421
10 Kenan Jusufbasic BIH 1290 + 420
11 Mario Kusterle ITA 1290 + 410
12 John Sessums USA 1290 + 401
13 Jifa Lu CHN 1290 + 399
14 Kunjiang Dong CHN 1290 + 394
15 Viktors Rosonoks LAT 1290 + 393
16 Eugeniusz Cofalik POL 1290 + 388
17 Malik Cabaravdic BIH 1290 + 379
18 Xinguang Yang CHN 1290 + 377
19 Andrey Burdov RUS 1290 + 365
20 Remo Bovio ARG 1290 + 364
21 Radik Khouziev RUS 1290 + 361
21 Rolandas Mackus LTU 1290 + 361
23 Masao Izawa JPN 1290 + 359
24 Jozsef Krasznai HUN 1290 + 350
25 Josef Klima CZE 1290 + 348
26 Janne Isotalo FIN 1290 + 335
27 Horst Wagner AUT 1290 + 330
28 Richard Blackam AUS 1290 + 325
29 Rudecindo Marquez ARG 1290 + 324
30 Alexey Bukin UKR 1290 + 309
31 Bob Piserchio USA 1290 + 306
32 Dirk Drelse GER 1290 + 292
32 Jim Brooks CAN 1290 + 292
34 Stanislaw Skibicki POL 1290 + 291
34 Ilan Melamed ISR 1290 + 291
36 Harald Meusburger AUT 1290 + 288
37 Marjan Klenovsek SLO 1290 + 266
38 Russell Peers GBR 1290 + 265
39 Pierre-Olivier Templier FRA 1290 + 253
40 Piero Pecchioli ITA 1290 + 247
41 Ossi Kilpelainen FIN 1290 + 230
42 Mihaly Varadi HUN 1290 + 154
43 Antonio Sanavio ITA 1290 + 38
44 Petr Matura CZE 210 180 175 180 180 180 180 1285
45 Vladimir Kubes CZE 210 172 180 180 180 180 180 1282
46 Terry Bond AUS 210 180 180 180 180 180 170 1280
47 Alexander Andriukov W/C 210 180 180 180 166 180 180 1276
48 Jan Klinkien NED 210 180 165 180 180 180 180 1275
49 Andrei Khrebtov RUS 210 180 180 157 180 180 180 1267
50 William Beales GBR 210 180 180 180 180 162 174 1266
51 Walter Eggimann SUI 210 180 180 180 180 180 150 1260
52 Rudolf Trumpf SUI 210 180 180 179 180 180 140 1249
53 Minoru Nishizawa JPN 210 180 170 180 148 180 180 1248
54 Krzysztof Rozycki POL 210 165 152 180 180 180 180 1247
55 Geoffrey Stringer GBR 210 180 180 180 127 180 180 1237
56 Yury Blazhevich UKR 210 180 162 180 180 129 180 1221
57 Abraham Baruch ISR 210 180 180 92 180 180 180 1202
58 Heiko Helmbrecht GER 210 180 180 180 89 180 180 1199
59 Alain Landeau FRA 210 180 152 180 105 180 180 1187
59 Antti Mantere FIN 210 180 180 180 117 140 180 1187
61 Ladislav Horak CAN 210 156 159 115 180 180 180 1180
62 Albert Koppitz FRA 210 180 95 180 146 180 180 1171
63 Igor Zilberg GER 210 180 168 70 180 180 180 1168
64 Horacio Ortiz ARG 210 180 124 134 180 180 147 1155
65 Dieter Siebenmann SUI 210 180 180 180 180 126 85 1141
65 Otto Somogyi HUN 87 180 180 180 180 180 154 1141
67 Gunnar Wivardsson SWE 210 180 180 180 28 180 180 1138
68 Nenad Banjac CRO 210 180 180 180 130 180 75 1135
69 Tomaz Hribar SLO 210 180 180 180 126 180 74 1130
70 Danko Sokolic CRO 210 180 180 180 64 99 180 1093
71 Dragan Stankovic SLO 210 180 180 83 180 180 50 1063
72 Ismail Sarioglu TUR 184 179 106 180 138 52 180 1019
73 Dietmar Piber AUT 189 157 180 180 56 180 6 948
74 Mikael Eriksson SWE 84 180 0 118 180 180 180 922
Number of maximums 70 69 62 66 61 68 63
Number of full scores 70 67 59 55 47 45 43
F1B
Team Results
Country Abbreviation Total Team member places
1 Bosnia Herzigovina BIH 3870 9 10 17
2 China CHN 3870 13 14 18
3 USA USA 3870 7 12 31
4 Italy ITA 3870 11 40 43
5 Czech Republic CZE 3857 25 44 45
6 Netherlands NED 3855 3 8 48
7 Russia RUS 3847 19 21 49
8 Japan JPN 3828 4 23 53
9 Poland POL 3827 16 34 54
10 Ukraine UKR 3801 1 30 56
11 Great Britain GBR 3793 38 50 55
12 Israel ISR 3782 4 34 57
13 Finland FIN 3767 26 41 59
14 Argentina ARG 3735 20 29 64
15 Hungary HUN 3721 24 42 65
16 Germany GER 3657 32 58 63
17 Switzerland SUI 3650 51 52 65
18 France FRA 3648 39 59 62
19 Austria AUT 3528 27 36 73
20 Slovenia SLO 3483 37 69 71
21 Sweden SWE 3350 2 67 74
22 Australia AUS 2570 28 46
23 Canada CAN 2470 32 61
24 Turkey TUR 2309 6 72
25 Croatia CRO 2228 68 70
26 Lithuania LTU 1290 21
27 Latvia LAT 1290 15
F1C
Individual results
1 Kenan Jusuebasic BIH 1320 + 388
2 Ed Keck USA 1320 + 349
3 Edin Sahinovic BIH 1320 + 340
4 Peter Watson GBR 1320 + 319
5 Claus-Peter Waechtler GER 1320 + 317
5 Faust Parker USA 1320 + 317
7 Sekizawa Kazumasa JPN 1320 + 314
8 Alexandr Molchanov UKR 1320 + 308
9 Evgeny Verbitcky W/C 1320 + 303
10 Marek Roman POL 1320 + 296
11 Shigeru Kanegawa JPN 1320 + 270
12 Alain Roux FRA 1320 + 247
13 Yunfeng Jing CHN 239 180 180 180 180 180 180 1319
14 Victor Onufrienko RUS 240 180 176 180 180 180 180 1316
15 Andrey Toloknov RUS 240 180 180 180 170 180 180 1310
16 Thomas Koster DEN 226 180 180 180 180 180 180 1306
16 Giorgio Venuti ITA 240 180 180 180 166 180 180 1306
18 Leonid Fuzeyev RUS 240 180 180 180 180 165 180 1305
19 Mustafa Sahinovic BIH 240 180 180 180 180 180 161 1301
20 Jiongyu Zou CHN 240 180 180 158 180 180 180 1298
21 Gauthier Briere FRA 240 180 180 180 154 180 180 1294
22 Bernard Boutillier FRA 240 180 180 150 180 180 180 1290
23 John Cuthbert GBR 202 180 180 180 180 180 180 1282
24 Reinhard Truppe AUT 240 157 180 180 180 162 180 1279
25 Roman Czerwinski POL 240 180 180 132 180 180 180 1272
26 Mario Rocca ITA 240 180 180 180 180 180 128 1268
27 Stafford Screen GBR 240 180 180 180 180 180 127 1267
28 Artem Babenko UKR 240 180 180 180 121 180 180 1261
29 Vladimir Tregubenko UKR 240 180 180 180 180 180 114 1254
30 Andreas Lindner GER 240 180 180 112 180 180 180 1252
31 Ge Wei CHN 240 180 180 180 180 180 80 1220
32 Chosei Tono JPN 230 180 180 180 93 146 180 1189
33 Juri Roots EST 240 180 133 180 142 180 130 1185
34 Roy Summersby AUS 76 180 180 180 180 180 180 1156
35 Roberto Guadagno ITA 215 180 180 180 151 88 141 1135
36 Jerzy Wlodarczyk POL 240 180 180 152 150 122 61 1085
36 Ron Mc Burnett USA 240 0 180 125 180 180 180 1085
38 Milan Pavlov YUG 190 84 126 180 180 119 180 1059
39 Rale Unbehaun GER 192 119 180 148 125 99 180 1043
40 Danas Babenskas LTU 0 116 136 180 180 155 180 947
41 Uri Zilberstein ISR 176 137 180 166 129 50 88 926
Number of maximums 31 35 37 33 31 32 32
Number of full scores 31 29 27 22 18 17 12
F1C
Team Results
Country Abbreviation Total Team member places
1 Bosnia Herzigovina BIH 3941 1 3 19
2 Russia RUS 3931 14 15 18
3 France FRA 3904 12 21 22
4 Great Britain GBR 3869 4 23 27
5 China CHN 3837 13 20 31
6 Ukraine UKR 3835 8 28 29
7 Japan JPN 3829 7 11 32
8 USA USA 3725 2 5 36
9 Italy ITA 3709 16 26 35
10 Poland POL 3677 10 25 36
11 Germany GER 3615 5 30 39
12 Denmark DEN 1306 16
13 Austria AUT 1279 24
14 Estonia EST 1185 33
15 Australia AUS 1156 34
16 Yugoslavia YUG 1059 38
17 Lithuania LTU 947 40
18 Israel ISR 926 41
Four FAI Proposals 2
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Roger,
Enclosed are four proposals I plan to submit to the AMA later this month.
I believe they address a number of FAI issues, and hopefully will merit
becoming official American proposals to the next CAIM meeting. I would
appreciate other fliers' comments.
Aram
First Round Maxes
(Aram Schlosberg, Sep 12 99)
The last few FAI world championships tended to have very large flyoffs. T
he effect of reducing the motor weights to 30 gram and engine runs to 5 s
econds has not been dramatic. The fact that the Israelis were able to man
age a 39 person flyoff attests to their organizational skills as well a l
arge pool of qualified timers, attributes which might not always be avail
able in the future. Large flyoffs also increase the chances of timing th
e wrong model with so many models is the air simultaneously.
Two proposals are made for reduce the size of the flyoffs. The first one
is to increase the extended max of the first round. Specifically, that t
he Nordic Max be set at 3 minutes and 45 seconds. (Reputed four plus minu
te models in the west fall short of four minutes in the east.) Wakefield
and Power maxes be set at 5 minutes, all subject to weather conditions.
In dead weather, at least 50% of the fliers in each class are capable of
attaining these times.
3.1.7 Duration of flights (F1A) (Changes are in [].)
The maximum duration to be taken for each official flight in a world and
continental championship is to be [3 minutes and 45 seconds for the first
round], and three minutes for subsequent rounds.
3.2.7 Duration of flights (F1B)
The maximum duration to be taken for each official flight in a world and
continental championship is to be [5 minutes for the first round],...
3.3.7 Duration of flights (F1C)
The maximum duration to be taken for each official flight in a world and
continental championship is to be [5 minutes for the first round], ...
Four FAI Proposals 4
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Nordic Pennants
(by Aram Schlosberg, Sep 11 '99)
The current FAI 3.1.11.c rule requires that a pennant (flag) be attached
directly to the tow line. The pennant serves to alert the flier when the
hook's latch opens, and establishes when the line disconnects from the mo
del - which is when the flight officially begins.
Because of the requirement of attaching the flag to the line, the common
setup is to use a pennant in the form of a belt, attached with a small ri
ng to the tow hook's latch. Anyone who has flown a glider with this setup
is immediately aware that the pennant-belt causes considerable line flut
ter. Also, because the pennant is short (typically 40 cm), the visual ale
rt to the flier is marginal.
The alternative is to allow the flag to be hung off a short secondary lin
e branching off the main line. The secondary line and pennant is connect
ed directly to the hook's latch, precluding line flutter. In addition, w
hen the hook's latch opens, the dropping back of the flag is more pronoun
ced.
In the pre-bunt days, flags that were attached to the main cable by a sec
ondary line occasionally confused timers. But today, a Nordic's hook typ
ically unlatches as soon as the model begins to be accelerated on-line, 2
-2.5 seconds before its launch. The launch is clearly marked by the mode
l bouncing upwards and the detachment of the line and pennant (attached o
r detached) are clearly marked.
The proposal also limits how far the pennant has to be from the end of th
e line, a point not covered by the present rule.
3.1.11c =
The facilitate the observation of the instant of launch, the cable must b
e equipped with a pennant having an area of at least 2.5 dm2. The pennant
can be attached to the mail cable within 1 meter of the line's end. The
pennant can also be attached to a secondary line, with a length of at mos
t 1 meter, that does not project more than 50 cm beyond the line's length
Four FAI Proposals 1
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Team Positions
(Aram Schlosberg, Sep 12 '99)
Team positions are determined by the official times accumulated in the re
gular seven-round contest. The flyoffs are used only to determine ties. U
nder this system, among the teams that max out, the winner is determined
by having the lowest sum of final flyoff positions. For example, if team
A has flyoff positions 1,2, and 20 (sums to 23), while team B has positi
ons 6,7 and 8 (sums to 21), it wins.
However, this scoring system can result in counter intuitive results. Sup
pose team A third flier was one second short of maxing out, but placed fi
rst and second in the flyoff. If team B was the only team to max out, it
will still will be the winning team even if its fliers placed last in th
e flyoffs.
A better measure is to use the total time of each competitor over the reg
ular and flyoff rounds to determine the team positions. It's just more i
ntuitive.
3.1.8 Classification (changes are in [].)
a) The total time for each competitor of each official flight defined in
3.1.3 [and the flyoff flights defined in 3.1.8] is taken for the final cl
assification. [The team positions will be determined by the sum of the to
tal time of each of the team members.
Omit the last sentence in paragraph b) : The time of the additional fligh
t shall not be included inb the final figures of the classification of te
ams ... .
Four FAI Proposals 3
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Flyoffs
(Aram Schlosberg, Sep 12 =9199)
The last few FAI world championships tended to have very large flyoffs. T
he effect of reducing the motor weights to 30 gram and engine runs to 5 s
econds has not been dramatic. The fact that the Israelis were able to man
age a 39 person flyoff attests to their organizational skills as well a l
arge pool of qualified timers, attributes which might not always be avail
able in the future. Large flyoffs also increase the chances of timing th
e wrong model with so many models simultaneously in the air.
The second proposal addresses the flyoff themselves. It suggests that th
e afternoon flyoffs be held within a ten minute window, instead of the pr
esent 30-90 minute rounds. In addition, the flyoffs can be split into tw
o shifts, if there are more than twenty tied fliers. The allocation of fl
iers between the early and late flyoff shifts will be done by a draw, and
another draw will determine their pole position. If there are two shifts
, they will be separated by at most fifteen minutes. Each flyoff is foll
owed by a break of at least 45 minutes for retrieval.
The ten minute flyoffs rounds, already practiced in the next day early mo
rning flyoff, reduce the effect of searching or waiting for thermals. Al
so, a split flyoff has a smaller number of starting positions, reducing t
he importance of the competitor's pole position and atmospheric effects.
Most importantly, it reduces the number if required timers and binocular
s by half, making the administration of large flyoffs humanly possible.
3.1.8 Classification
b) In order to decide individual and team placing when there [are ties],
additional deciding flights [(flyoffs)] shall be made after the even has
been completed. [A flyoff round will last ten minutes], including second
attempts according to paragraph 3.1.5. [Pole positions are assigned by a
draw. If the number of tied fliers exceed 20, the organizers can hold tw
o ten-minute flyoffs shifts, separated by at most fifteen minutes. Assig
nments of fliers to the early/late flyoff round will be made by a draw.
Consecutive flyoff rounds will be separated by least 45 minutes.]
MaxMen date
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From: "George &/or Judi Batiuk"
Several fliers from abroad have asked me about the dates for next year's
Maxmen. Would you be so kind as to advise our readers that it will be
Feb 18, 19 and 20. Thanks, GB
Rule change to F1B
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The first thing I did when I got back from Israel was to carve a new prop
for my best model, in hopes of getting higher, and before long I realized
that I did'nt know whether the model would fly next year with 35 or 30 grams
of rubber.
What is the status of this rule change? Will it be in effect for the
next Champs, or next year?
Jim Brooks
[In 2002 after the Australian Champs]
The Carbon Cutter
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Hi Roger
The cutter that Mike is talking about is one that I designed and built
part of and Ike finished...with his usual special twist... it was one of
our favorite tools... It traveled between our houses. I have it now and I
have pictures that I can send to you to put on the web or
something...cutting this carbon stuff became much easier with this dremel
set up and a 1.125" dremel fiber disk. I can cut any thickness from the
.002" or .003" stuff to as much as .070". It's a piece of cake. Cuts are
very clean and sharp,almost too good to believe. Once a set up is made,
the repeatability is within a few thousandths. It is also very
important to use the vacuum right at the cutter... and I mean so close
that the hose has some grooves from the cutter, safety glasses and a mask
are a must also and I usually do the work outside with a fan blowing the
extra dust away from me. Ike used this thing so much that he actually
burned up a dremel motor...smoke and flames...no joke...so try hard to
keep the carbon dust out of the motor and don't put your nose too close.
Randy Weiler
Cutting Carbon Fiber
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Roger,
For those out there who would like a copy of my "APPLICATION NOTE ON HOW TO
CUT THICK CARBON FIBER SHEET," AN-8, I would be happy to send them a copy.
At the present time I cannot E-mail it as I have not scanned it into the
computer. This method is fine for the "do it yourself" builders.
Since I cut a lot of carbon fiber into sheets, trailing edges, spars, ect.. I
will pass on that I use an abrasive cutoff disk that is .040" thick. The one
I use is 7" in diameter and I use a table saw. I use special fixtures for
cutting spars and edges that allows me to hold a +/- .005" tolerance.
You can reach me VIA E-mail at: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..
Jim Bradley
Hobby Shops ?
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Roger,
Can you please supply any hobby shop addresses in LA and Florida please that
may have Free Flight equipment.
Bill East
[Bill,
Look in the Suppliers section of the SCAT Web site
also refer to the recent mention of Aerodyne
.. anyone else like to suggest their local hobby shop
for Bill ? ]
NFFS Pubs has Brit FF Forum
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Roger,
Noting Mike Fantham's comments below about cutting carbon and the article
published in the 1985 British Free Flight Forum---if anyone (in the U.S.)
needs a copy of the diagrams of that article, I could provide it from my
personal copy for an SASE with a .55 cent stamp attached.
Also, Bob McLinden, current NFFS publications man now has copies of the 1998
Free Flight Forum edition. This would avoid converting dollars to pounds and
save mailing time as well. Those with the latest copy (Aug-Sept. 1998) of
Free Flight, the NFFS Digest can read about the cost and obtain his mailing
address in Denver, Colorado.
Please note that in the classifieds section of that digest, McLinden's
address is incorrect if you are trying to order a copy of Keith Hoover's
Power Book or the NFFS book on Winning Indoor Designs. It might also be
worth becoming a member of the National Free Flight Society for additional
savings in publication purchases.
Fred
....................
Roger Morrell
