SEN 2866 What’s the rest of the story?

SEN 2866
What’s the rest of the story?

1. What’s the rest of the story?
2. FAQ - Registrierung Betreiber (eID)
3. I’ll stick with F1E


What’s the rest of the story?
In many forms of online discussion there are people taking part that do not know each other. Sometimes somebody is very knowledgeable, sometimes not. Sometimes you assume that all participants have a basic knowledge, not always true. Fairly recently SEN, I used a “common” abbreviation that my cousin, Heather, who is University research librarian admitted she used sometimes in replay to a certain class of questions. This probably cause someone to cancel their SEN subscription. So, to in an attempt to avoid such similar misunderstandings . There are 2 editorial remarks below.

FAQ - Registrierung Betreiber (eID)
Recently the organizer of the well known German contest Eifel Pokal gave useful information, warning of the EU requirement to have an EU UAS “ID” or registration number for you model aircraft for that contest and he explained how if you entered ahead of time the organizer would get it for you. This same comment was put on FB. This got a reply from another sportsman (not in Germany) saying it was not true and it only applied to R/C .
The Eifel Pokal organizer replied and said (slightly edited)
Hi Sportsman. It is not a Fake. As an UAV Pilot you have to be registered in EUROPE if your Model weight more than 250g! There is no difference between RC Models and Free flight!
EU Pilots have to make it by their own Air Control organization. In Germany this is the LBA.
They have a website

He also supplied a very much longer link at

This gives a FAQ section on this subject. While it is in German the automatic translate function of my Chrome browser was able to do a good translation on the fly and it backed up what the Eifel organizer said.
The only good news for me is that I fly F1B, and they are just under 250 grams, I need check mine.
As a side comments I remember reading about some UK sportsmen talking about getting the UK equivalent document and have seen people from other European Countries trying to figure the next step. Where are we all in the roll out of this ?

I’ll stick with F1E

From: Jack Greening Jr I think Allard is confusing chance and luck with tactics.  One only
requires throwing the model in the air, usually because someone else did,
the other requires observation, thought, and a plan of action.  The
introduction of altimeters further corrodes the idea of free flight.  I
will stay with F1E.

Jack Greening

Editor’s Comment : I will reply to this because it I easier for me than Allard. Allard is a top level F1A flyer from Holland with many year’s experience who as flown in many World Cup events and represented his country in World Champs. He builds his own models, including composite construction and the electronics. He does paint bits of his airplanes orange, but I guess that’s a Dutch thing. So he does understand very well about the preparation needed to compete at a high level and what to do while taking part in an event. Also, as a longtime free flighter he understands that sometimes you are going to miss the thermal or just drift in a different direction from the other guys. But he, and others see potentially avoidable “mishaps” especially in fly off or abnormal weather conditions and looks for ways to improve the contest outcome, in FAI speak “get a sporting result”. Perhaps a timekeeper could not see so well for a long flight, wind drift takes the models to a river, village or farmers crops or behind trees. Maybe we could say wait until the next day, but them some of us have to go to work and school or we could just declare a tie. Or maybe fly and lose the model ? So, this applying technology to get a “better” sporting result.

Interestingly the F1E scoring system with the percentages and variable maxes, the choice of sites, some wise tech constraining rules changes and that the performance increase over the last 20 or 30 years in F1E has been much less than in the flat land classes. This means you are less likely to be faced with the choice between some “not my free flight” approaches or equally unpalatable rules changes.