SEN 1692

SEN 1692 - Table of Contents

  1. USA Team Selection Day 2
  2. USA Team Selection Background info
  3. F1Q Energy Limiters - Why?
  4. Answer?

USA TEAM Selection Day 2

F1A fly off from day one

1. Mike McKeever
2. Jim Parker.

F1A Day 2

From Flyoff

1. Ken Bauer
2. Andrew Barron
3. Mike Thompsom
4. Don Zink
5. Ben Coussens

Team Places in F1A , subject to confirmation

Mike McKeever
Ken Bauer
Andrew Barron

Alternate Rene Limberger

F1C Day1

1. Don Chesson
2. Randy Secor
3.  Faust Parker

Don Chesson gains a team place subject to confirmation

In both classes there was a 5 min flyoff followed by a 9 minute flyoff. The winners in both classes did between 5 and 6 minutes in the 9 minute flyoff.

 Very nice but tricky conditions, cooler than day one, a little breezy at fly off time but no problems in seeing or reteiving the models.

USA Team Selection Contest - Background info

Readers will have seen some lengthy discussion on this in previous SEN. This is not intended to be a complete description of the event as that can be found on the AMA and NFFS web sites but rather an overview to understand what is happening at Lost Hills at this time.

There are 6 separate events, 2 each day – 2 for each of the World Champs classes F1A, F1B and F1C. Two are flown on each day. So on the first day F1A and F1B are flown, the second F1A and F1C and the third F1C and F1B. In each contest the winner gets a place on the USA team. And then the next best aggregate person over the two days gets the third place. This is a new format being tried for the first time this year

The event is flown from poles with one flier per pole with an 25 minutes to fly. The format creates an intense competitive environment aimed to select the best team to represent the USA in the World Championships. Typically Lost Hills in October has good weather with very challenging thermal conditions. While there has been talk of developments on adjacent properties, the Lost Hills site is still very large and has few natural obstacles like trees, rivers, houses etc that make retrieval hard, so there is a lot of emphasis on flying rather than fetching.

The running of the event is the responsibility of the Team Selection Committee who find a CD and team of helpers to run the event. Timing is done by the participants and extra volunteer time keepers. The CD for this year's event is Aimee Schroedter from northern California, she is a F1B flyer. So some of these are fliers who do not take part in the program and others include visitor from other countries in the USA to take part in the Sierra Cup World Cup event. For example I saw Luda Stamov, the wife of the well known Ukrainian F1A World Champ F1A flier Victor Stamov helping out.

This year we are using some flight lines that have not been used before and they are proving to be very good.

F1Q - Energy Limiters - Why?

I have assiduously followed the various arguments concerning electric power
measurements, energy limiters, et al.
Am I missing something here?
In IC classes we have simple rules of maximum engine size and maximum
engine run. Nowhere in FF is there any mention of the amount of fuel
So why is electric so complicated?
It would all be a lot simpler, just about as simple as IC power of:-
Each electric class, including F1Q, specified the maximum engine power
allowed in that class.
Maximum engine run for each class.
Other model criteria eg no moving surfaces for slow electric.
It would give us all a break from all this Joules Holland energy limiter

Biggles UK

On 9 Oct


yes you are missing something - the Energy Limiters are a way of specifing the maximum power allowed for a class.  There are other ways such as the battery weight but that is not as effective. That is what the discussion is about and the amount of power or energy that is appropriate for the class.

Roger Morrell