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EXTRA! SAN VALEERS add CLASSIC TOWLINE GLIDER TO SV ANNUAL!
SCAT ANNUAL RESULTS & REPORT
MMM FAI 14 Rounder
Supplier list
Looking for Roy
W-hobby Digital Timer
Bob White, AMA&SAM Hall of Fame Project
Bear Cup on Lake Pyhajarvi , Finland.
scat anual f1j rules
Re: maynard...how he did it
Palm M105 capacitor
Servo Stuff
correct email address for san valeers flyer
Meteorboat
Thanks
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EXTRA! SAN VALEERS add CLASSIC TOWLINE GLIDER TO SV ANNUAL!
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Roger,
Terry Kerger has OKed the addition of Classic Towline Glider
to the events list of the San Valeers Annual, April 8-9
I asked him & he got an instant OK from Bob Mattes, so it is
sanctioned for National Cup points purposes.
[You owe me, Tim B!]
So dust off those birds & lets show up!
THX,
Leeper
[aka Upanoff]
SCAT ANNUAL RESULTS & REPORT
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OK, already.
So it hailed Friday. And it stopped. And hailed again.
Then it rained over night. And it snowed in the Tehachapis, closing the
I-5 Grapevine til 07:30.
We heard you were out there waiting for it to open up, so we held up the
start time til 10:00.
Also heard some stayed home. Understandable.
Well, we had a contest with 30 intrepid, stalwart fliers bunging in maxes
right & left in 10 of the 11events scheduled. F1P had no entry.
The biggest, baddest part of the storm mercifully steered itself to other
areas, although we did stop twice in the PM, when two big, dark squalls
appeared ready to inundate our little piece of FF heaven.
Luckily it gave lots of visual warning[dark& dramatic!], did not drop much
more than showers, then departed without too much wind or turbulence.
Nobody got stuck, or too muddy, the puddles were small, as the rains
were not concentrated, giving drying time.
Due to the late start & stoppages, the flying ceased at 1700 hrs,
with 6 rounds of F1A-B-C on the books.
It did get windy about then, too, with some 9m/s gusts seen.
The flyoffs were held Sunday at 07:30 in a moderate breeze to
the east, as we often experience.
Mike Thompson score a BIG win in F1H, with the highest time
of the weekend as well.
Now I say THANKS to all who came, especially the out-of-staters,
Charlie Jones, Norm Poti, Blake Jensen, Dick Wood.
And to those patient ones who were held at Castaic while the
snow was being cleared from I-5.
And to Tim, ['I need the points'] Batiuk, who went long way round,
via Ventura up 101, an extra hun miles, just to keep me 'company'
[& from scabbing 63 free Nat Cup Glider points].
Good job.
And my BIGGEST THANKS go to those folks who lent a helping
hand to keep the events running as smooth as it did.
Especially Rene Limberger, who abided my sometimes anxious
moments, and ran the score table very well for a good part of the contest.
Here is hoping we have better conditions and more fliers next year.
yr hmbl CD,
Lee Hines
RESULTS:
F1A
1. Ben Coussens 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 327 Total 1407
2. Mike McKeever 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 320 1400
3. Don Zink 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 259 1339
4. Lee Hines 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 237 1317
5. Mike Thompson 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 222 1302
6. Hector Diez 180 180 180 180 180 163 1063
7. Pierre Brun 180 180 142 180 180 180 1042
8. Peter Allnutt 141 180 180 180 180 180 1041
9. Rene Limberger 155 164 180 180 180 180 1039
10. Jim Parker 180 180 137 180 180 178 1035
11. Norm Smith 180 180 30 180 134 149 853
F1B
1. Chas. Jones 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 328 Total 1408
2. Roger Morrell 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 298 1378
3. Mike Mulligan 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 248 1328
4. Jerry Peck 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 160 1240
5. Blake Jensen 152 180 180 180 180 180 1052
6. Jack Emery 180 180 180 101 180 180 1001
7. Jerry Fitch 180 180 180 180 - - 720
8. Mike Achterberg147 180 180 180 - - 678
9. Dick Wood 180 180 180 84 - - 624
F1C
1. Ed Carroll 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 484 Total 1564
2. Jeff Ellington 180 180 180 180 180 180 FO 256 1336
3. Norm Poti 180 180 127 180 180 180 1027
4. Doug Joyce 180 180 180 180 - - 720
5. Guy Menanno 180 180 143 180 - - 683
6. Lynn Pulley 180 180 18 - - - 378
F1G
1. Jack Emery 238 120 120 120 120 Total 718
2. Blake Jensen 91 120 102 120 104 537
3. Chas. Jones 87 113 87 114 92 493
F1H
1. Mike Thompson 180 120 120 120 120 FO 240 360 480 Total 1740
2. Ben Coussens 180 120 120 120 120 FO 240 360 103 1363
3. Jim Parker 180 120 120 120 120 FO 240 9 909
4. Mike McKeever 180 118 120 120 120 658
5. Norm Smith 180 120 114 120 120 654
6. Mike Szura 180 120 71 120 120 611
7. Bob Norton 72 120 120 120 120 552
F1J
1. Norm Poti 240 141 180 180 170 911
2. Ed Carroll 240 180 107 180 180 887
Hand Launch Glider
1. Tim Batiuk 120 35 111 101 37 51 Best three total= 331
2. Lee Hines 52 52 68 45 61 43 181
Classic Towline Glider
1. Lee Hines 120 180 221 Total 521
2. Tim Batiuk 120 180 61 361
Catapult Glider, Hand Held
1. Tim Batiuk 97 120 120 120 120 Total[of last four]= 480
2. Lee Hines 105 36 78 40 120 120 Best three total= 345
Nostalgia Wakefield
1 Wes Funk 120 180 115 Total 515
MMM FAI 14 Rounder
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This is a heads up to mark your calendars for a trip to Colorado June 30,
July 1 & 2 for the Magnificent Mountain Men 27th Annual FAI 14-Rounder.
This will be an America’s Cup competition for the following events: F1E (5
rounds); F1A, F1B, F1C, F1P (14 rounds); F1G, F1H, F1J (6 rounds);
Perpetual trophies and glassware.
We will also feature NFFS National Cup competition for the following
events: P-30; HLG; CLG; Open Gas combined (eligible to any FF gas model
flown to the rules of its respective event) and OT Rubber Combined.
Glassware through third place.
Saturday night will feature a banquet. Contest headquarters: MicroTel Inn
& Suites, 6230 E. Pine Lane, Parker, 720-851-2644. Ask for MMM group rate
(10% discount). More information to follow as the event draws closer.
Chuck Etherington - CD
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Supplier list
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Could you please add me to the suppliers page of the SCAT site. We operate
under 2 different name, KT Marketing and F1D.biz both share the same online
ordering site and offer the same products. Best link to use is
www.F1D.biz/order to go directly to the online catalog and ordering site.
We just release an updated rendition of the classic Jim Jones designed balsa
stripper. We changes the main body to hard anodized 6061 T6 aluminum and CNC
machine the entire unit. We also sell carbon fiber pultrusion cap strip
stock in 1, 1.5, 2, 3 mm widths on 20 meter rolls. The majority of our model
products are more oriented to the indoor rubber flier and include boron
filament and many other hard to locate items as well as Tru-Weight indoor
balsa wood. We are also Sherline and Taig dealers for the enthusiast that
wants to set up a table top machining shop.
Thanks in advance,
Tim Goldstein
[Denver CO]
Looking for Roy
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I would like to get in touch with Roy Summersby.
Who knows his e-mail address?
TIA
Bernard B.
W-hobby Digital Timer
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Hi, now I try with electronic timers in my F1A models.
The W-Hobby timers ( Lithuanian) is my firts
electronic machime. Before I work only with mechanical
timers.
If somebody it must this timer, plaese send me a
email in order to talk about tech charateristics.
Thank you
Hernan Alarcon
FAI CHI-698
Bob White, AMA&SAM Hall of Fame Project
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Charles Rushing has an effort to get Bob White into the AMA and SAM
Halls of fame. Those wishing to support this should contact Mr Rushing.
Bear Cup on Lake Pyhajarvi , Finland.
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Another wonderful Bear Cup on Lake Pyhajarvi near Pori, Finland.
The morning was cold, 7 a clock in the meter at my accommodation even down -30
deg C! Till the beginning of the contest 10 a clock bright sun on the cloudless
skies warmed it to - 20 ..17, but it was not too bad when calm and dry. But it'
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easy to understand than power fliers decided to wait over the first round. At
the afternoon it warmed up close to 0 to fully enjoy free flight!
Wind stayed off all the day. Towing was almost to any direction. 3 minutes
flights landed some 100 meters from the starting place! So retrieving was easy
when there were only some 5 centimetres of snow on ice surface. Also coming to
the contest place on the middle of the large lake was easily by cars on over 60
cm thick ice.
Most flights were maxes. If not, there used to be some mistake like too slow
running speed when releasing (specially younger juniors) or too eager trimming
to bumping.
Power fliers made fly-off unlimited. Timo Niiranen of Finland, nr. 4. in
Argentina, made maybe the best flight, but motor cowling was dropped at motor
stop. Timo did not refly but went retrieving.
Ossi
WC Bear Cup 11.3.2006 Sakyla Pyhajarvi
WCUP EVENT IN FINLAND
1. 2. 3. 4. 5. F1. F2. [s]
F1A max 180 180 180 180 180 300 420
1 Findahl Per SWE 180 180 180 180 180 300 360 1560
2 Kulmakko Kimmo FIN 180 180 180 180 180 300 350 1550
3 Hellgren Robert SWE 180 180 180 180 180 300 330 1530
4 Valo Jari FIN 180 180 180 180 180 300 301 1501
5 Abolins Gundars LAT 180 180 180 180 180 300 291 1491
6 Vihul Ular EST 180 180 180 180 180 299 1199
7 Pajunen Timo FIN 180 180 180 180 180 294 1194
8 Lihtamo Matti FIN 180 180 180 180 180 290 1190
9 Ronkanen Pekka FIN 180 180 180 180 180 288 1188
10 Kuikka Petri FIN 180 180 180 180 180 279 1179
11 Leino Laura FIN 180 180 180 180 180 276 1176
12 Tahkapaa Heikki FIN 180 180 180 180 180 273 1173
13 Holmbom Mikael SWE 180 180 180 180 180 272 1172
14 Henrikson Kim FIN 180 180 180 180 180 270 1170
14 Persson Anders SWE 180 180 180 180 180 270 1170
16 Koivula Kalle FIN 180 180 180 180 180 265 1165
16 Kuningas Juhani FIN 180 180 180 180 180 265 1165
18 Carter John GBR 180 180 180 180 180 264 1164
18 Ball Phil GBR 180 180 180 180 180 249 1149
20 Holmbom Sofia SWE 180 180 180 180 180 249 1149
21 Peshkov Andrey RUS 180 180 180 180 180 239 1139
22 Parv Artur jr EST 180 180 180 180 180 237 1137
23 Taponen Teemu jr FIN 180 180 180 180 180 234 1134
24 Trogen Göran SWE 180 180 180 180 180 222 1122
25 Tchop Victor UKR 180 180 180 180 180 221 1121
26 Juslin Jukka FIN 180 180 180 180 180 0 900
27 Poliajev Valeri RUS 180 180 180 180 176 896
28 Niiranen Meri jr FIN 180 180 180 173 180 893
29 Parna Ardo EST 180 180 171 180 180 891
30 Mesheriakov A.A. RUS 180 168 180 180 180 888
31 Selgoja Ants EST 175 170 180 180 180 885
32 Runnari Valve FIN 180 180 180 180 164 884
33 Jarvinen Timo FIN 180 180 180 180 160 880
34 Zarins Janis jr LAT 180 157 180 180 180 877
35 Sell Janar jr EST 180 137 180 180 180 857
36 Kokk Urmas EST 180 180 180 180 124 844
37 Henrikson Mikke jr FIN 180 180 180 180 103 823
38 Isotalo Tommi FIN 153 156 177 155 180 821
39 Heikkinen Juha FIN 180 180 180 91 180 811
40 Varuskivi Vesa FIN 180 180 65 180 180 785
41 Grigals Oskar jr LAT 165 168 84 180 180 777
42 Valkonen Kimmo FIN 74 180 152 180 180 766
43 Kilpelainen Ossi FIN 180 180 96 120 156 732
44 Kiljunen Harri FIN 180 180 180 62 125 727
45 Lindgren Kari FIN 0 180 180 180 180 720
46 Nordfors Timo jr FIN 180 146 180 173 38 717
47 Lepp Tambet EST 180 180 180 23 121 684
48 Lehtovirta Joona jr FIN 133 180 0 180 180 673
49 Meisalu Martin jr EST 56 162 151 141 152 662
50 Koppel Aavo EST 56 180 58 180 147 621
51 Munnukka Niilo FIN 180 118 111 129 59 597
52 Keba Margus jr EST 120 37 120 133 152 562
53 Penttila Topi jr FIN 4 144 53 69 72 342
54 Jarvinen Mauri FIN 180 47 85 312
F1B max 180 180 180 180 180 300 600
1 Waltonen Yrjö FIN 180 180 180 180 180 300 322 1522
2 Isotalo Janne FIN 180 180 180 180 180 300 315 1515
3 Rosonoks Viktors LAT 180 180 180 180 180 300 295 1495
4 Peers Russell GBR 180 180 180 180 180 299 1199
5 Mackus Rolands LIT 180 180 180 180 180 297 1197
6 Khreptov Andrei RUS 180 180 180 180 180 289 1189
7 Shelepov Alexsander RUS 180 180 180 180 180 280 1180
8 Kiiskinen Markku FIN 180 180 180 180 180 246 1146
9 Solodov Maxim RUS 180 180 180 180 180 243 1143
10 Fedorov O.Y. RUS 180 180 180 180 180 225 1125
11 Posa Riku FIN 180 180 180 180 180 178 1078
12 Linkosalo Tapio FIN 180 180 180 180 180 103 1003
13 Harjo Indrek EST 176 180 124 180 180 840
14 Demcenko Romans jr LAT 170 159 162 167 658
15 Lancov Alecseic RUS 111 95 84 79 148 517
16 Mantere Antti FIN 0 0 156 180 180 516
17 Dreika Toms jr LAT 58 94 114 117 118 501
18 Woolner Mike GBR 180 82 262
19 Kilpelainen Ossi FIN 132 132
F1C KILPAILIJA max 180 180 180 180 , 600
1 Naaber Raimond EST 180 180 180 180 . 433 1153
2 Roots Jyri EST 180. 180 180 180 . 383 1103
3 Kuukka Kaarle FIN 180 180 180 180 . 357 1077
4 Niiranen Timo FIN 180 180 180 180 . 0 720
5 Perchuk Yury RUS 161 180 180 180 . 701
F1AJ KILPAILIJA max 180 180 180 180 180 300
1 Parv Artur EST 180 180 180 180 180 237 1137
2 Taponen Teemu FIN 180 180 180 180 180 234 1134
3 Niiranen Meri FIN 180 180 180 173 180 893
4 Zarins Janis LAT 180 157 180 180 180 877
5 Sell Janar EST 180 137 180 180 180 857
6 Henrikson Mikke FIN 180 180 180 180 103 823
7 Grigals Oskar LAT 165 168 84 180 180 777
8 Nordfors Timo FIN 180 146 180 173 38 717
9 Lehtovirta Joona FIN 133 180 0 180 180 673
10 Meisalu Martin EST 56 162 151 141 152 662
11 Keba Margus EST 120 37 120 133 152 562
12 Penttila Topi FIN 4 144 53 69 72 342
not Wcup...
F1A2m 15 years
1 Jyrisor Artur EST 33 10 36 74 47 200
2 Vlassov Mattias-Johann EST 59 79 138
scat anual f1j rules
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roger.
it appears that jim parker and the powers to be at the
scat anual have gone off the deep end on the f1j rules
change.
i mean those rules realey suck.
why don't you go by the fai rules and let it be?
fai committe made theese rules and they don't need to
be changed just because somebody wants to change them
to there likeing.
the fai rules were made to be followedby so than use
them.
i know if i were going to the scat anual i would not
fly f1j under theese rules that jim and scat have come
up with.
and i hope the rest of the f1j flyers that do attend
the scat anual follow suit ond opt not to fly f1j at
thhis meet to.
thx Don.
Re: maynard...how he did it
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...flattery wil get you nowhere !
Brokenspar
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From: MARION BILL GIESKIENG
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Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:53 PM
Subject: maynard...how he did it
Here is a current discussion of speed.
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~hughan/World%20Records.htm
Seems that Maynard took his plane up to altitude then dove it
vertically picking up maximum speed, then he pulled it out to skim
across the course before the speed bled off. The after-thought was that
it over sped the pitch/rpm/prop he was using....needed more pitch else a
higher-reving engine.
According to these Australians above, the current F pylon whatsevers
radio ships exceed Maynard's record speed on their normal flight course
in competition. The special ship they mention sounds like it would do
the job most readily.
I could be wrong but I seriously doubt that Maynard's airfoill was
anything exceptional. He is getting into a Renolds number range that
could benefit from some of the five and six digit NASA laminal
airfoils. But we are not that big or go that fast.
For fun after talking to you I ran a few airfoils through the mill. I
took an NACA 0006 and bent the camber to 3.75. I could have done the
same at another department -- I could create any desired "NACA: four
diget foil by simply specifying, say NACA 3405....or 3418..and I would
get the coordinates and the drawing by created by Profili using the the
NACA building block fomulas.
Anyway, the glide was not good and the climb draggy....it looked a
bit like an typical FAI section such as Achterbergs, etc. The uncambered
symetrical 0006 was of course as fast as the dickens!
While Looking around I found a couple of Eppler sections that look
superfically like mine --same camber, thickness ...everything... but
with a flatter back. They turned out to be beyond lousy! The drag in
the glide was about three times mine. That surprised me! I was concerned
that they would be better and I would have to retool! Whew!
I think that I understand what you are trying to do. You figure that
the section profile having low drag can translate into a low drag
profili when cambered. But it doesn't work that way! The conditions are
different and so are the effects. For a glide it would be beneficial to
have the rear undercamber higher( that is hypothetically above) than the
top camber! ...a little hard to do unless you invoke another dimension
of reality to play with!
I can't understand how a person as forward-looking as youself --- with
all sorts of brilliant little design touches in his patent portfolio is
so dead-set about rejecting folders (I can understand shying away from
flappers...that IS a difficult task yielding only a modicum of gain)
Your mindset of sticking with obsolete ways reminds me of all the
opposition I got trying to get flyers to understand WHY they needed
Auto-gimmicks, and why the flip-over (later we found out that it was
actually called a "bunt" in aerobatics) was such a neat way to make a
transition....Hell, it took forever to get them to even use
starters....then bikes...ad infinitum
But the folders are now making an appearance via Babenko's
Snap-Wing, and they are dominating. Randy Archer says that his
Snap-Wing is no more difficult to fly than his conventional ships....but
of course his conventional ships are too difficult for me to fly!
I have looked at hundreds of airfoils using profili and there is no
magical miracles to be found...not a one that could bridge the gap
between climb and glide without being inferior in each mode as a result
of the compromize....try to boost one aspect and the other suffers in
proportion. And what was suprising is that some of the sections with
good reps over the years are not exceptional at all on the computer...
they lag behind.
Of course I wil be most happy to check out what you send.
So there! you semi-sweet old fart you! Come up to speed as we enter
the 21st century!!! (:>))
Your faithful old friend -- one who can appreciate what you have done
... billy g
Palm M105 capacitor
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Hi Roger,
I bought a very nice Palm M105 to use with the Black Magic.
Every time I changed the batteries (in few seconds) the memory was
cleared and I had to synchronize again (this can't be done at the flying
field...).
Browsing a forum I discovered that it is an issue with the Palm M1xx
series (the capacitor is defective). May be you know this problem an you
can tell me where to find a capacitor replacement.
Thank you.
Fernando
[Fermando
I have not done this - but I seems to remeber some ofther
sportsman finding a web site that said how]
Servo Stuff
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Gene
It may not be a quick answer.
As most of us have figured many of the servos are made by the
same people with often only very minor differences.
The rotation is to do with how it is wired internally. The Magic
timers have a servo reverse feature so that by checking a box it
can make the servo around the other way. Actually what it does
is subtract the servo position from 255.
Some people claim they have had trouble with the sevo reversing
feature but we have not been able to replicate the situation in
a controlled environment.
Some people like to have the same servo positions mean the same
things in all of their airplanes. Actually there is nothing
magic about the numbers but if you want to have the D/T always
at servo position 250 that's OK.
One futher word of warming. the servo we use are mass produced
devices and the quality can vary as you found and the direction
of rotation. Also so can the amounty of movement, I've bought
the same servo twice and had significantly different rotational
limits. I went back to ask about this and you can imagine the
reply.
I know that some of the top of the line builders like M&K and
Stamov check each individual servo and clean up the assembly to
bet more consistant results.
On Victor's airplanes he likes to have to same values in the
timer, so he can easily check a customer's airplane to see if
the timer is still up correctly and the customer has not made
some bad adjustments. To support this some of my timers have a
'fractional' servo multipler. Victor tests each servo and sees
how much it moves in a test set up. Lets say for a movement from
a value of 10 to one of 210 the servo was to move 100 degress
and the multipler was 5. But on a testing a new servo it only
moved 95 degrees. To get that increased movement we need to use a
bigger multipler so it would be 5 X 100 / 95 = 5.25.
For most people this does not matter, they make the adjustments
during the trimming process.
One other point when giving the example about D/T at 250 , I
deliberatly chose that not 255 right at the end of the travel.
Only use the extreems of travel if you have no other choice.
The quality of the servo is least good right at the edge.
Roger
--- Gene Ulm wrote:
> Roger,
>
> Quick question for you.
>
> I replaced a servo in one of my models. The NLA cirrus 21 bb
> was replaced with a MPI 50, which "should" be the same servo
> with a different lable. Servo is same dimensions, same speed
> and torque specs, spline size, 1 ball bearing at top. Wire
> colors are the same. Color of plastic is the only.
> Difference.
>
> Mounted servo upside down with servo pully forward. All per
> standard.
>
> Problem. When hooked up, the movment is reversed. So to move
> to the bunt position, it moves rearward, to move to the dt
> position it moves forward.
>
> The packaging says compatable with Jr and hitec. I'm
> wondering if this is the problem. I am no electronics expert
> (duh), but there see versions that are compatable with futaba,
> airtronica and jst servos.
>
> Help!
>
> As always thanks in advance,
>
> Gene
>
correct email address for san valeers flyer
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Hi Roger,
Your scat newsletter has an incorrect email address
for me in the last issue for anyone that wants the
contest flyer emailed to them.
It should be This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
You had previously left off the first t in
tthorkildsen
Lee Hines spotted that error since he knew my correct
address.
thanks again,
terry
Meteorboat
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I made it! A truly new type of competition gas model will be in the 2006
Symposium. The "Meteorboat" a convertable flying boat to landplane. Easily
converted. The hull is held on with magnets which is replaced by a wheel. Ed
Mate
Thanks
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Thanks to the numberof people who made donations in $$ or other
items in the support of SEN at the Scat Annual.
.............
Roger Morrell
