SEN 966 - 14 Aug 2005
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SCAT Electronic News 14 August 2005 issue 966
Table of Contents
F1H Hookup Section
Jr TS Letter #6-- NATs scores
F1C Gear models for sale - Simpson
Rocky Mountain FF Champs - Deloach
NFFS Pubs News - Stalick
Wet or Dry at the Natz - Mate
F1H Hookup Section
I'm glad that we got Oliver's address wrong - because it made a number
of you send useful stuff to SEN for everyone to read.
Re: Hooking up on F1H
Following up from Rob, I'd just like to add that many F1A hooks are
quite small. I was surprised to see how similar in size the M&K hook and
the old Hatschek hook are, and the latter was well suited to F1H models.
The main difference is that usually a lighter spring would be needed,
but this can be self made if the hook manufacturer doesn't supply one.
Re: F1H hooks
Getting mail-fail to the posted address...
Mike Woodhouse at http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ can supply lots
I have used his plastic [Czech?] hooks with some slight modifications
for the last 10 years and have had very few problems with them, just
with me! They are quite easy to work with.
Nice to hear of someone showing interest in F1H...8))
I have a Kosonozhkin F1H towhook, including body mounting adapter,
which I am willing to part with.
Send email if interested.
BTW, I believe Vasily and M&K also sell them.
towhook for F1H
I have built quite a few F1H gliders with another one planned soon.
And I have been through this process of trying to find a suitable tow
Do not look for hooks that are slightly smaller for a smaller model, you
will not find them.
My suggestion (unless you want to make your own) is to use an F1A
towhook, but with a lighter spring to give you a suitable unlatch
tension.This may seem overkill, but it is the best solution.
For my next model I have bought an M&K towhook, and Mikhail Kocharev was
able to change the spring for me in just a few minutes. This hook is
very well engineered and I have no doubts that it will do a great job.
Sorry I am unable to give your contact info for M&K, but I am sure that
others here can help.
Victor Stamov is another excellent F1A supplier who I can recommend.
I will send you his latest list which has contact info for all his
I have a couple of Mikhail`s F1H hooks, but when I tried to reply, the
email bounced. perhaps there is some other way to make contact.
Oliver's mail ...
As Rob Wallace noted in his response re Oliver Cai's towhook request,
the email address does not work.
So Oliver, contact whoever for more info, hooks etc
Jr TS Letter #6-- NATs scores
2005-2006 Jr Team Selection Information Bulletin Number 6 August 2005
An outstanding few days of FF competition has been concluded at the Muncie
Indiana pre-Nats and Nats contests. Many thanks to George Batiuk, Chuck
Markos, Art Ellis, John Sr and Jr Lorbiecki and all the Jr pre-NATs
timers The current point totals are:
F1A Plcg Total Pnts
Bauer, Brian 1 397.0
Secor, Tyler 2 383.3
Jones, Kyle 3 362.6
Farmer, Sam 4 360.2
Revkin,Josh 5 265.7
Cai, Oliver 6 261.3
Barron, Tim 7 258.9
Barron, Michelle 8 187.4
Shailor, Paul 1 383.1
Simon, Evan 2 365.1
Gunder, Taylor 3 298.7
Secor, Cody 1 400.0
Ferrario, Anthon 2 317.0
Eck, Allan 3 206.8
Pacelli, Brian 4 155.8
Engelskirger, John 5 63.6
There are approximately 14 remaining AmCup contests. These remaining
scores can potentially change the final points total. The Jr Team Selection
points are the primary deciding factors in the final team selection. There
are other factors described in the Team Selection Program that can
influence the team selection such as minimum performance expectation (3.4),
travel related guardianship (4.0) and possible funding constraints (5.0).
The complete Excel score sheet will be posted on the NFFs website.
Some un-official information for those making long term plans.
The F1A,B,P Junior WC will take place 21st to 25th of August in the vicinity
of Magdeburg about 160 km West South West of Berlin. August 18th to 20th we
will offer the yearly F1A,B,C-World Cup (Salzland Cup) we started last
year. We will be flying on huge fields completely harvested (hopefully).
From an airport in Berlin you may have less than two hours to drive. From
Frankfurt, Germans biggest airport, it may take four hours. Bulletin 0 will
be published after the CIAM Bureau had approved it December 2nd.
CIAM 2nd Vice President, organiser F1A,B,P Junior WC 2006
Jim Parker for the 2006 Jr Team Selection Committee
Table showing split between Nats points and AmCup
The AMCup points can be caught up is the reest of the year, while
the Nats cannot be changed.
F1A PlcTotal Pnts Nats Pnt Nats Time preNats Nats AmCup
Bauer, Brian 1 397.0 200.0 2453.0 1214 1239 197.0
Secor, Tyler 2 383.3 189.8 2327.0 1110 1217 193.5
Jones, Kyle 3 362.6 189.6 2325.0 1110 1215 173.0
Farmer, Sam 4 360.2 169.0 2072.0 1192 880 191.2
Revkin,Josh 5 265.7 102.4 1256.0 771 485 163.3
Cai, Oliver 6 261.3 145.0 1779.0 790 989 116.3
Barron, Tim 7 258.9 160.4 1968.0 897 1071 98.5
Barron, Michel 8 187.4 64.0 784.0 784 0 123.4
Shailor, Paul 1 383.1 186.8 2310.0 1210 1100 196.3
Simon, Evan 2 365.1 176.2 2178.0 1164 1014 188.9
Gunder, Taylor 3 298.7 200.0 2472.0 1235 1237 98.7
Secor, Cody 1 400.0 200.0 2488.0 1228 1260 200.0
Ferrario, Anth 2 317.0 198.6 2471.0 1211 1260 118.4
Eck, Allan 3 206.8 6.8 84.0 84 0 200.0
Pacelli, Brian 4 155.8 155.8 1937.0 1075 862 0.0
Engelskirger, 5 63.6 63.6 791.0 251 540 0.0
F1C Gear models for sale
I now have more gear models than I need, so I am offering several of
them for sale. The models are Verbitsky gear models, that I put
together, with VE gear engines and props. Purchase of spare props is
possible as well. The models are trimmed out.
If interested, please call Roger Simpson 903 677-4267 to discuss
Rocky Mountain FF Champs
The Magnificent Mountain Men's 40th Anniversary Rocky Mountain Champs
and FAI "Dynasty Cup" will be held Saturday September 3rd through Monday
September 5th, 2005, in Denver, Colorado. Come enjoy some of the best
flying weather of the year at our gi-normous 35 square-mile field! The
contest is America's Cup sanctioned and one of four National Cup
"exempt" contests for 2005.
F1A-B-C-P are Saturday, 7 rounds beginning at 8am. Max is 180 in all
rounds. F1G-H-J Sunday, 5 rounds beginning at 8am. Max is 120 in all
There is also a full slate of AMA, Nos, SAM, and FAC Scale events. Send
directions to the field, motel info, etc.
The 40th Anniversary banquet is going to be really special. It will be
Saturday September 3rd at 7:30pm (cash bar at 6:30) at Hickory House
Ribs in Parker, Colorado. AMA VP's for District IX will be in attendance
as well as the founding President (1957) of the MMM Club, Ray Combs. $20
per person for the banquet includes a huge feast of smoked meats:
chicken, beef brisket, sausage, and ribs with cole slaw and beans, and
cake for dessert.
Entry fee is a mere $30 for unlimited events if received by 8/25/05.
Included with your entry is a limited edition 40th RMCs hat pin,
courtesy of the MMM Club. Additional hat pins are available at $4 each.
We also are having 4-color t-shirts made to commemorate the event. Sizes
S-XXL are available and they are $15 each. Even if you can't attend the
contest we will be happy to send you a shirt and/or a hat pin, as long
as your order is rec'd by 8/25/05. Please include $3 for postage and
idicate size and quantity. Delivery will be the first week of September.
See you on the field!
NFFS Pubs News
Re: BMFA FF Forums and the 2005 NFFS Symposia
I regret to announce to the readers of SEN that all copies of the 2005 BMFA
FF Forums have been sold. No additional copies are available from NFFS. I
understand that readers may still obtain copies from Martin Dilly.
I have a good stock of the 2005 Symposiums available for $25 to NFFS members.
$30 for non-members. Postage is $4.00 per copy. Order from NFFS. Contact <
Bob Stalick, NFFS Publications Services
Wet or Dry at the Natz
Answer to Bob Gutai and all. Since when is complaint about illegal
facilities by AMA bitching? Don't we pay enough dues to have correct
facilities at the Nats? As I received, Hi Ed,
My 2002 - 2004 rule book also says that the "water shall have sufficient
surface area to permit unassisted
takeoffs" Sounds like leaving the facilities up to the ama was the
As with most other governing bodies, THEIR compliance with rules is
Do___________Is he bitching too?
Who's event ?
Subject : Re: SCAT Electronic News 211 August 2005 issue 965
All of my BOP comments assume it was an AMA event. If not then tell me
where the blame lies please. Ed Mate
While the rules are specified by the AMA, the events are run by the members ..
i.e. people like us. No matter how exhorbitant we may consider the AMA
dues to be
or the entry fees charged in different contests. There is no way that this will
cover the running of the event. The people who run the
contest are not paid employees. Every year at the Nats they are always
looking for people to help run the events.
I do not know who made the pond - even if it was the AMA ground staff
it's CD of the event's responsibility to make sure it is right.
The classic case is a number of years back when George Batiuk did not
think the FF team selection finals was being run properly -
he offered to run it and show how it should be done.
All that complaining about this does is show the AMA that we do not know
how to keep our own house in order.
No the Alien is not Bitching - that's normal for creatures from outer space.]