SEN 685 - 26 Mar 2002
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SCAT Electronic News 26 March 2002 issue 685
Table of Contents
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AA stalls - Segrave
Ritz Continental? - Hines
No News is Bad News - Parsons
DIESEL FUEL STORAGE - Adams
World cup " SREM CUP "
FAI rules 2002 - Markos
Great Grape Gathering - Geneseo, NY - Mosely
Super Max Stuff - Woodhouse
Vasily on line
Segrave article - Pimenoff
Editorial Comment
Visa and Master card payments to FAI Model Supply - Clapp
Fw: Henry Strucks' Obituary - Gutai et al
Dick Lyons - Brokenspar
Henry Struck - Schlosberg et al
Henry Struck - Wilkensen
Thanks
AA stalls
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In the first flyoff in Hungary, AA's high aspect ratio ship climbed VERY
high and went into the glide. Presently, it began to stall GENTLY, in
approximately the same amplitude, not increasing as Richard@s ship at Lost
Hills was said to do. Gentle stalls like this are a sign of being
overtrimmed i.e., too close to the stall. You could see the ship trying to
correct itself but continued stalling to the ground. Just a little LESS
negative would have smoothed the ship out. The gentle stalls were also
indicative of a stable setup, otherwise the stall would havevaried or
increased in size. I wonder what airfoil he as using on the high A/R ship?
The same as AA29 30? With a reported span of 76" and a resulting mean chord
of 3,25"(82mm), it must be in a precarious RN position. I wonder also that
AA thinks of this ship,too. Note that his flyoff score was 4:15. If we then
take a run of 50 secs and assume a loss of 50% on the glide, we can
esti8mate the possible time, as follows: 4:15 255 secs - 50 secs climb =
205 secs. This being half possible, we can now double it 410 + climb time
50 secs gives a total of 460 secs, or 7 minutes and 40 secs. As he said that
it was better than the 29 and 30, the losses must have been gretaeer than
50% on the (stalling) glide. Mike S
Ritz Continental?
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Roger,
Would you please ask the global SEN audience if someone has
the Ritz Continental article from (I believe) M.A.N. circa 1960?
Or possibly some other structural reference data of that great bird?
If so, please contact me by email, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
or phone, 949 645 4850,
or snailmail, 376 Magnolia St, Costa Mesa 92627, CA
Thanks from
Lee Hines
No News is Bad News
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Roger -
The last SEN I received was March 15, number 684. Is this correct or have I
inadvertently been cut off? Secondly, I have accessed the SCAT web page
several times in an attempt to review past issues. I have not discovered how
this can be done. At my skill level, nothing less than a step by step
explanation will be effective.
Sorry to bother you about such trivialities, but I miss my SEN.
Dave Parsons
[Dave
Sometimes I get busy and sometimes I'm travelling and
sometimes both.... that's why there was not SEN for a few days]
DIESEL FUEL STORAGE
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I've just read the article by "Mike" dealing with diesel engines on your
site, and I have a question about diesel fuel storage/hazards. I
understand that, over time, ether will form peroxides that are explosive.
Does this apply to mixed commercial model diesel fuel that contains either,
kerosene and lubricant oil?
I have an unopened can of commercial model diesel fuel that has been stored
for about 2 years. I am concerned that it may no longer be useful and that
it may have become unstable and dangerous, especially if dropped or
otherwise carelessly handled.
I would appreciate any information you may have.
Thanks.
Ted Adams
World cup " SREM CUP "
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World cup " SREM CUP " F1A,B,C
New contact e-mail !!!
http://solair.eunet.yu/~grofns/index.htm/
Best regards Milos Raletic
FAI rules 2002
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Help! I've tried to download the rules from the FAI website but all I see is
lines of characters that are meaningless ...probably some sort of programming
code. Two sources are listed, FAI and Belgium. Both give the same result.
Can someone please provide guidance to the Luddite population on how we're
supposed to make it work or shall we wait for Ian K to send what we need to
SEN?
Thanks,
Chuck Markos
Great Grape Gathering - Geneseo, NY
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Freeflighters within reach of Geneseo, NY -
Sam86 (Ottawa) and the Western New York FF Society are jointly mounting the
annual 'Great Grape Gathering' at Geneseo, NY, June 14/16 inclusive.
Events include
1/2A NosGas
.020 Replica/ 1/4A NosGas combined
ABC NosGas combined
P30
Embryo Endurance
Classic Gas (Bob Gordon Trophy)
AMA Gas up to 0.15 cu in
Open Rubber
SAM Commercial Rubber
SAM Small Stick
SAM Large Stick
SAM Small Fuselage
SAM Large Fuselage
FAC Golden Age Civil Scale
O/T GAs Electric replica
HLG/Catapult Glider (combined)
Concessionary motel rates, evening barbeque
contact This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. for more details
Super Max Stuff
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Regardless of this clarification I still think that this is a bad rule. The
question I have to ask myself is - "am I prepared to travel half way around
the World to find that my result is decided on that first flight?" I'm not
even sure until I get there if the rule will be applied or not. This is
shades of the single attempt rule. So please recind as soon as possible.
The only way that it will cut down on the fly offs is that it will cut down
the entry numbers.
Michael J Woodhouse, Norwich, UK
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on 15/3/02 9:20 am, SCAT user at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. wrote:
2) The modified maximum rules. A key point to note is that the 4 min F1A
and 5 min F1B and F1C first round maxes are the standard choice. HOWEVER
different maxima can be set by the organisers if announced in advance (and
which is to be done at Holiday on Ice). Furthermore, these are the intended
max and if there is due reason of weather or recovery conditions it may be
changed on the day. The reason for the new counting system of tkaing the
basic 3 minutes then the extra time to determine ties was to reduce the
reduce the chance that a long difficult max in the first round would be the
sole deciding flight in the competition.
Vasily on line
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Dear Roger,
Please, let guys to have some kind of fun . I've just got finally my web site.
It is still in process and will be changed for improvements and new info.
Anyway, please,publish it's name at the next issue of SEN
www.vasi.scana.com.ua
Have a good one!
Vasily
Segrave article
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Mr.Roger Morell
Editor, Scat Electronic News.
Mr. Editor,
I have read Mike Segraves article about ¨European bias¨with
mounting astonishment. I think it is appalling that a well
known FF competitor like Mike should produce such bitter,
wholly unsubstantiated slander. In addition he didn't even
get the facts right, as shown by Pierre Chaussebourg in his
reply.
Even more regrettable is the fact that SEN should publish
these accusations and slurs without any proof of misdemeanour.
Such false testimonies only spread suspicions, prejudice and
distrust. We really do not need that in the international
FF community.
To illustrate a quite different reality, which perhaps to
some degree might restore trust between our North American
friends and us Europeans I would like to tell you about what
happened in the 1985 FF World Championships in Yugoslavia.
The F1C flyoff had advanced to the 5min flight, many
competitors were still in the running.
As President of the Jury I was closely following the contest,
also timing some motor runs. By chance I also timed Randy
Archer, and as I had noted the excellent performance of his
aircraft I continued timing until 5min, when he was still
high up. The timekeepers, however, only returned a 4,5min
flight.
After discussion I concluded that the timekeepers probably
had timed the wrong aircraft, there were many models in the
air. Formally legal or not, I promptly overruled the time-
keepers. Randy got his max and went on to win the World
Championship.
I don't know whether Randy was ever told about the incident.
Personally I was pleased tha fairness had been served, and
an unintentional mistake corrected.
Mr. Editor, in the interest of friendship between American
and European model aircraft flyers I hope you will have
opportunity to publish these comments. I have many friends
among these people on both sides of the Atlantic, and I have
come to respect them tor their fairness and honesty.
Sandy Pimenoff
President, CIAM
Editorial Comment
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One of the aspects of this kind of forum is that it is
indeed very difficult if not impossible to verify all comments
that are made. In the case of this particular incident we have
your comment and that of Pierre Chaussebourg that clearly
state the offical view of the circumstances. I will point out that
other observers have given me thier of the incident, which
is different again from the offical view and from Segrave's. I
do not believe that there is any point to be gained from
discussing the details of the event further so this matter is
closed.
For SEN to be an effective forum we must publish the point of
view of people whose opinion differs from the majority or from
what the various governing bodies think. I do not regard SEN as a
crusading journal that goes after lost causes and critizes
the establishment.
With respect to Mike Segrave's comments I did consider not publishing
them because he was taking a very extreem postion that might open
himself to critism. But the reason that I did publish was
because that illustrate that some people believe that there
are issues with how we decide on our rule changes. The example
that Mike chose was bad as it did not involve CIAM meeting
and rules change process, but he was alluding to the upcoming
CIAM Meeting. Model flying is a very effective way
of promoting greater international peace and understanding. For this
to continue it has to appear to as many people as possible that
everything is done in a fair way. In the case of Mike Segrave
he obviously thinks that some things were not done correctly.
This serves to illustrate to us all that not only must things be done
fairly but they must appear that way to all. This is clearly an
issue at many levels, in the USA we have many active volenteers
who spend much tome and enrgy trying to communicate about
rules changes throughout the US FAI FF community, but there are
still people who do not understand what is going on and think
they are not being properly represented.
So in summary the reason for publishing the article was as
a caution to us all to say that with the semi-democratic
process we use for rules changes we need to take
care that everyone is properly represented at all levels.
Finally that communication is critial to our sucess.
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Fw: Henry Strucks' Obituary
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----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Abriss
To: FFML
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 12:31 AM
Subject: Fw: Henry Strucks' Obituary
The following was published in The Day.Com Eastern Connecticut's
information
Source. So they say.
Henry Struck
Lyme - Henry Struck, of Rockland, Maine, formerly of Lyme, nationally
renowned designer, builder, and contest flier of model airplanes in the
great era of model airplane history, died Monday in Rockland, Maine, after
a long illness.
He is credited with being one of the most prolific and innovative model
airplane designers in the great growth era of model airplane design and
research. His passion for aviation began in his youth, when he began his
model design and competitive flying in New York in the 1930s. He was the
winner of numerous national championships and awards throughout his
career.
In 1950, he set the world speed record for free flying gas-powered models.
This model, as well as an example of his Berklee Models design for the
rubber-powered "Flying Cloud," is included in the Smithsonian Air and
Space
Museum collection.
Fifty Struck designs were published and 45 were produced as kits. His "New
Ruler" was one of the most popular and widely built designs of the 1940s.
His designs were produced by Berklee Models and others, and appeared in
various publications, including Air Trails, Model Airplane News, Flying
Aces, and Zaic's Yearbook. He was also the author of many articles on
model planes and aeronautical research.
He was an inducted member of the Halls of Fame of the Academy of Model
Aeronautics, the National Free Flight Society, and the Society of Antique
Modelers. He was a member of the AMA Contest Board for over 25 years, and
the RC Propbusters.
In addition to his model career, he was a private pilot and worked in
experimental aircraft design. He held memberships in the Aircraft Owners
and Pilots Association, and the Experimental Aircraft Association.
Henry Struck was born in New York City on Sept. 11, 1916, the son of Henry
and Marie Rupple Struck. He graduated from high school in Astoria, Queens,
and attended City College of New York.
He moved to Old Lyme during World War II to work on research for Roger
Griswold and Pratt Reed, and continued on for Luddington- Griswold, and
others following the war. Later, he owned and operated Ken-Lab, designing
and manufacturing gyro-stabilizers for the photographic industry, until
his retirement.
He married Noreen Murphy of Old Saybrook, on Jan. 4, 1947. They resided in
Lyme for 54 years. He was a resident of the Knox Center for Long Term Care
in Rockland, Maine, during his illness.
Besides his wife, he is survived by two daughters, Susan Struck Cash and
her husband Donald Cash of New London, and Christine Bartlett and her husband,
William, of Union, Maine; six grandchildren, Miriam Bragan, Jethro Denman,
Natalie Denman, Samantha Bartlett, Josiah Bartlett, and Ethan Cash; and
three great-grandchildren.
A memorial service will be held at 2 p.m. Saturday at Grassy Hill
Congregational Church in Lyme.
Memorial donations may be made to the Knox Center for Long Term Care, 2nd
Floor Activities Fund, 22 White St., Rockland ME 04841, or to the Academy of
Model Aeronautics, 5161 East Memorial Drive, Muncie, IN 47302.
Arrangements are under the direction of Burpee, Carpenter, and Hutchins
Funeral Home, 110 Limerock St., Rockland, Maine
Dick Lyons
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Just a salute to an old friend, now maxed out.
We flew together..
I remember, and remember.....
Hardy Brodersen
Henry Struck II
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The following was published in The Day.Com Eastern Connecticut's
information Source. So they say.
Henry Struck
Lyme - Henry Struck, of Rockland, Maine, formerly of Lyme, nationally
renowned designer, builder, and contest flier of model airplanes in the
great era of model airplane history, died Monday in Rockland, Maine,
after a long illness.
He is credited with being one of the most prolific and innovative model
airplane designers in the great growth era of model airplane design
and research. His passion for aviation began in his youth, when he
began his model design and competitive flying in New York in the
1930s. He was the winner of numerous national championships and
awards throughout his career.
In 1950, he set the world speed record for free flying gas-powered
models. This model, as well as an example of his Berklee Models
design for the rubber-powered "Flying Cloud," is included in the
Smithsonian Air and Space Museum collection.
Fifty Struck designs were published and 45 were produced as kits.
His "New Ruler" was one of the most popular and widely built designs
of the 1940s. His designs were produced by Berklee Models and
others, and appeared in various publications, including Air Trails,
Model Airplane News, Flying Aces, and Zaic's Yearbook. He was
also the author of many articles on model planes and aeronautical
research.
He was an inducted member of the Halls of Fame of the Academy
of Model Aeronautics, the National Free Flight Society, and the
Society of Antique Modelers. He was a member of the AMA Contest
Board for over 25 years, and the RC Propbusters.
In addition to his model career, he was a private pilot and worked
in experimental aircraft design. He held memberships in the Aircraft
Owners and Pilots Association, and the Experimental Aircraft
Association.
Henry Struck was born in New York City on Sept. 11, 1916. He
attended City College of New York. He moved to Old Lyme during
World War II to work on research for Roger Griswold and Prate
Reed, and continued on for - , and others
following the war. Later, he owned and operated Ken-Lab,
designing and manufacturing gyro-stabilizers for the
photographic industry, until his retirement.
henry struck.
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i just recieved a e mail from al volmer informing me
that henery struck had died.
i believe he died from a stroke.
the modeling world will sure miss him..
hank was one of the best.
don.
Thanks
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Thanks to John Harte for his donation in support of SEN
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Roger Morrell
