SEN 691 - 10 Apr 2002

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SCAT electronic News 10 April 2002 issue 691

Table of Contents
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==>> Feature Article - Marketing Free Flight - Jahnke <<==
Puppie Section
My questions to You on SEN - Kaynes
Clarification of F1P Rules ? CD's Perspective - Simpson
More F1P Thoughts - Lorbieki
F1P scheduled for Autumn Cup - Simpson
F1P - looks good to me! - Linkosalo
F1P - Wegener
F1P etc - Segrave
CIAM and F1P - Ditto
End Puppie
Waterproof micro switches - Linkosalo
Re: Cyclon web page - Gregorie
ditto - Lipori
Otto Kuhni - Brendle
Super max thoughts: - Blackam
Stuff for Sale - Johannes
Juniors??? - Barker
Nostalgia of a different kind - Shailor
Am Cup Schedule 2002 - Parker and Coussens
Am Cup Rules 2002 - Cousssens and Parker
SEN Numbers
Thanks

** Feature Article**
Marketing Free Flight
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Roger,

Jim Haught and Roger Coleman both brought up the point that in order to
attract modelers to an event, in this case juniors to FAI power, we should
find out what characteristics of the sport they like. Both gentlemen
speculated on what those characteristics might be based on the other
interests of young people. This is an interesting idea. Here are some
thoughts.

1. In general free flight suffers from a huge lack of public exposure.
Even our cousins in R/C have no understanding of the aesthetic, aerodynamic,
and competitive factors on our sport. Tweeking event rules has no impact on
this problem. Has anyone made an effort to market free flight? Sports
marketing is a large business, mostly in the high-dollar sports but also in
more obscure sports. How for instance were snow boarding, skeleton racing,
and curling marketed to the IOC in order to become Winter Olympic sports?
Would a marketing firm be a better solution to our problem than rule
changes, since most people need first to be aware that we (still) exist?

2. Marketing to young people, according to reports I have heard and read,
is a closed loop. Marketers poll kids - manufacturers give them what
marketers say they want - marketers ask them what they like again and get
the same answer from a greater number of respondents - and so on. It
becomes like feedback from a microphone, a small sound picked up and
amplified over and over. We see the obsurdity of this system in pants that
must be held up with one hand at all times, stereo systems in cars that take
up much of the back seat yet have poor sound reproduction, bright blue
foods, the list is long. Is this a system that can produce a life long
interest in our sport or can it only support fads? Will Snow Boarding be
around at the 2022 winter Olympics?

3. Points one and two are rather contradictory regarding our problem.
There is however, there is however merit in marketing to increase visibility
and improve the general perception of our sport among the uninnitiated,
young and old.

a. Engage a marketing firm to look into our problem. This may cost money.
Be prepared for what they might find wrong with our image (too old
fashioned, too male, too white).

b. Publicize the sport in significant non-model airplane publications,
Smithsonian, Sports Illustrated, Teen, GQ, Life, Silent Sports, etc. Do
this in such a way that we do not look like an obscure novelty or a
throwback to bygone days (hint).

c. Connect moving and still images of our sport to products like cars,
cloths, foods, and health products, thus linking the sport to our audiences
desired lifestyle. If we succeed with points a. and b. making this link
becomes easier.

d. Publicize events in the local and regional press with activities for
non-fliers (many groups already do). Once enticed, the curious need to have
the experience, and a Delta Dart is probably not enough! The "I struggled
with stick and tissue, so must you" approach is a non-starter.

e. Keep the Science Olympiad connected to our sport (look at its affect on
the junior F1D team). Look for other such academic outlets, in K-5 and
universities. Create them where they do not exist. We were once an integral
part of science education, we can be again.

f. Whatever you fly, test glide in your local park.

Ross Jahnke

Puppie Section
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My questions to You on SEN
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Reid

(and copy to Roger Morell - I understand that Reid posted these questions
on SEN, if correct then please feel free to publish these responses)
Thanks for your message and constructive questions about F1P. I will try
to answer as fully as possible, I have copied your questions and added my
answers after them:

"Minimum wing surface area ... 26 square dm" ( 403 square inches)
Questions for clarification - Is this projected or flat? Other events
specify projected.
A: I made a typo in my drafting of the rule. I had intended to copy
standard FAI terminology wherever possible, but I seem to have been
distracted by the unusual aspect of a MINIMUM area and so I missed out the
key word projected. Anyway, during discussions we were refering to
projected area and I want to clarify this. The Sporting code definition of
states that this is always projected area so there can be no
doubt about the intent, we just need to add the clarifying word
.

- This is wing only with no specifications on stabilizer area.
Correct?
A: Yes

"Motor run ... 10 sec"
Questions for clarification - This includes motor run down?
- A motor run less than 10.10 is a valid run?
A: The standard FAi definition of a motor run and timing the run applies.

Hence 10.09 is valid like the 5.09 in F1C.

"Only one change may be made to wing or tail incidence or camber during
flight prior to dethermalising"
Questions for clarification - Camber means adding/decreasing camber by
moving a piece of the wing, i.e a flapper?
A: Yes, any form of flap on wing or tail would be regarded as a change of
camber.

"No extensions whatsoever are allowed to the exhaust opening(s) of the
motor(s)"

Questions for clarification - For any piece of the model to be considered
an extension it must be attached/touching the motor? To not be
considered an extension there must be 360 degrees of complete clearance
around the exhaust opening?
A: The same questions as for F1C, which has never been well defined. At the
least some clear gap must be visible between some part of the motor and the
"extension". A complete 360 deg clearance without overlap is the safest way
to be sure not to be vulnerable to a hard-line interpretation of this rule.

The rules for this event have been made very specific with things allowable
and things not allowed. My question/comment is in
regards to the use of an auto rudder to allow a smooth transition from the
power phase to the glide phase, or to turn the model in the glide. The F1P
rules do not address this function since the rule allowing movement of
model components specifically addresses changes in wing/stab incidence.

If I were to build an F1P model, I would put an auto ruder on it since it
is not prohibited. And if a contestant showed up with a F1P model with auto
rudder
on it - I would as the CD allow it....
A: Yes, the wording is quite correct here. No mention of auto-rudder equals
no limit on it. The intent is to allow it as a basic control to help
trimming.

Regards

Ian

[Note that Ian's explanation was written in response to
this request from Reid Simpson]

Clarification of F1P Rules ? CD's Perspective
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My Questions are addressed to Ian Kaynes.

Ian, as a Contest Director (CD) where the F1P event will be flown, I am
asking for clarification on the rules for that event. Would you be kind
enough to answer in detail so that myself and other CDs will be able to
administer the event correctly. I bring these questions to light since they
surround all power events and are not new to this event.

The rules (as they have been presented) are as follow as I understand them.

"Minimum wing surface area ... 26 square dm" ( 403 square inches)
Questions for clarification - Is this projected or flat? Other
events specify projected.
- This is wing only with no specifications
on stabilizer area. Correct?

"Maximum projected wing span ... 1.5 meters (59.0625") - understood

"Minimum weight ... 250 grams" (8.82 ozs) - understood

"Motor run ... 10 sec"
Questions for clarification - This includes motor run down?
- A motor run less than 10.10 is a valid
run?

"Max motor is 1.00 cc" (.061 cu inch) - understood

"No extensions whatsoever are allowed to the exhaust opening(s) of the
motor(s)"
Questions for clarification - For any piece of the model to
be considered an extension it must be attached/touching the motor? To not be
considered an extension there must be 360 degrees of complete clearance
around the exhaust opening?

"The motor must drive the propeller directly, no gears allowed" - understood

"Mechanical brakes are not allowed for stopping the motor" - understood

Ian, I have one additional question/informational comment for your
consideration as well as for all other CDs. And I bring this up since it was
questioned on SEN.
The rules for this event have been made very specific with things allowable
and things not allowed. My question/comment is in regards to the use of an
auto rudder to allow a smooth transition from the power phase to the glide
phase, or to turn the model in the glide. The F1P rules do not address this
function since the rule allowing movement of model components specifically
addresses changes in wing/stab incidence. If I were to build an F1P model, I
would put an auto ruder on it since it is not prohibited. And if a
contestant showed up with a F1P model with auto rudder on it - I would as
the CD allow it. The reason I would allow are two fold. (1) The F1P rules do
not specifically prohibit it. And (2) The rules governing all of the other
F1x free flight events do not prohibit it nor do they address it as being
allowable. It has for the past forty years been considered a normal part of
a competition model. Thus I see it as being allowable in the F1P event.

Ian, I want to thank you now for taking the time to comment/clarify on these
rules and questions.
Respectfully, Reid Simpson

More F1P Thoughts
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This is being beaten to death, but here are a few thoughts after looking
at all the comments. I talked this over with my son and here is what WE
would see as a beginning Junior class-this also includes a few thoughts
from Craig Gunder.

1. Keep the wing span limitations (59.7") and area (403 sq inch)
2.) Increase the weight limit to at least 280 grams
3.) .061 (1 cc) engine, no pipes, no brakes, no folders, no gears
4.) No nitro
5.) Minimum thickness of wing, measure 6" from the center, at .75"- can
taper from there.
6.) Flat bottom airfoil section
7.) Balsa and spruce construction only- fiberglass reinforcing
acceptable
8.) Allow auto rudder and stab
9.) 9 seconds and 2 minutes (possibly 8 seconds??)

This class would be something that almost any child could build it. It
would be real easy to process the model. The minimum thickness makes a
strong wing and will slow it down. Flat bottomed airfoil would greatly
simplify construction. The reduced engine run would make trimming less
critical and it could be flown on a smaller field. Plus, it could
possibly be flown in our normal F1J contests. This seems like it would
get closer to what the board is trying to accomplish. Since we need to
make all new models, it seems like we should actually do something that
kids can actually build and fly.

What do ya think?

John and John Lorbiecki

F1P scheduled for Autumn Cup
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The 18th Annual Autumn Cup held each fall in Seguin Texas will this year
include the new provisional F1P event.

The dates for the contest are Saturday Nov 9th and Sun Nov 10th.

The events for Saturday are F1A/B/C and Open Gas (7 rounds) - plus P30 and
F1P - (not by rounds)
The events for Sunday are F1G/H/J (5 rounds)

The F1P event will be open to all age classifications and will give awards
in both Jr and Open categories.

The rationale in holding this event is to give everyone a chance to
experience F1P.

The rationale in opening the event to all age categories is two fold:
(1) New designs by proven designers/flyers have to have a chance to
prove themselves.
(2) F1P will not attract Juniors unless they can see the event
demonstrated as a viable competitive event.

F1P - looks good to me!
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With so many readers giving their critical comments on the new proposed
junior power class, I must admit that the suggested rules seem good to me.
I think current power models are plainly dangerous (I should know, as I
was hit by one going ballistic in the summer 2000 - luckily the heavy
parts missed my spine by some 20cm!), and something really should be done
to make the models safer. The new rules take two important steps in this
direction, as the proposed models are 1) large and 2) light. This means,
that their kinetic energy remains low, power on and off. The evident
result of these is that the climb times need to be increased, but this is
also good as it will make timing of the motor run less critical. The
banning of the gear is also a natural step, as those equipment are
expensive and give clear edge over the direct drive (one really cannot use
the results from one championships to claim that using gear or not does
not make a difference, as one could equally well claim that using a
folding wing models ensures a championships medal!).

So I'm looking forward to seeing these models, that should really show the
way for power models (also other classes) to go!

-Tapio-

F1P
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First off, I know and understand that I have no right whatsoever to
voice an opinion about this subject, as I no longer fly in any F1 class,
and even when I did it was very poorly in F1B, though I did fly the AMA
power classes for many years. So, knowing that, if you get upset by what
non F1C flyers have to say, I suggest you stop reading now.

FAI Freeflight, with F1C in particular is a dying sport. You can argue
this point all you want, but compare it to the numbers of competitors in
almost ANY other sport (Curling as an example) and you will see that
FreeFlight is in real danger.

Whatever is being done today is obviously NOT working. So, CIAM comes up
with an idea that might, just MIGHT bring in a few more beginners, and
all you know how to do is complain? I don't get it. (But then as a few
of you have already said, I never have "got it")

In a few years, the guys who flew FreeFlight in the 60's and 70's are
going to start retiring and looking for something to do. They might,
just might look back fondly on their memories of flying their
Stardusters and Satellites, etc. and decide to give FF a chance again.
And maybe, just maybe some of these guys will want to give the F1
classes a go. And what will YOU have to offer them?

Well, from my perspective, and remember this is MY opinion, the most
intimidating class is F1C. I don't care how exciting it seems to you or
anyone else, watching an F1C is like watching NASCAR or AHA, it's
extremely impressive, but to actually try and participate? I never liked
even TIMING an F1C. That's how intimidating I find them. Yes, cool to to
watch, but to fly myself? I feel that I don't have the resources (read
that any way you like) to even try F1C.

Now, if there was a FAI version of SLOP (or whatever you are calling it
now) I MIGHT be tempted.

Just my opinion. (Flame suite on)

Rich Wegener

F1P etc
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Hello! The way I see it is this. If and it is a very big if, the CIAM had
identified a lack of entries in the F1J class as a mattere very serious,
then why did they not circulate all the member aerclobs for their opinion,
and not foist sometning on these delegates at ther Meeting when thhey did
not have achance to consult those that they represented???? Why?? Nine
months had elapsed as I said between the last Junior Champs, plenty of time
to do this, don't you think, and the Meeting. Note thhat among the 19
delegates who voted unanimously for this F1P class was the USA delegate!!!!
I'm sure that he did not vote with the backing of the US modellers, as
proven by the outcry in SEN.

[With respect to the USA delegates - they did what delegates do under
these circumstances and made a judgement decision on what was the best
thing to do. While there are people critical of this class
we cannot deduce from the correspondence so far that that is what
the USA sportsmen would think. - Anyway Mike as a Canadian living
in the UK - what the US delegates do is surely a concern of the US
sportsmen]

CIAM and F1P
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Who said that F1J was unsuitable for Juniors? Who?? The Yugoslavs, the
Romanians, the Ukrainians and the Russians certainly don’t think so since
they send teams to these Championships. What then is the Real reason that
all the other member countries don’t send teams in F1J? Is it because there
is no work being done in their countries and/or there no assistance being
given by the CIAM? I t certainly looks like it to me!

According to company policy of many sporting bodies, if part of the
possible target audience is not participating or not attending events, then
the Public Relations Department is charged to finding out and taking action
to increase the interest and participation and thus remedy the situation.
Since the CIAM is a similar sporting body, then the job of interesting
various segments lies squarely on the shoulders of its PR Department. Mike
Achterberg has pointed out what could have been done on the publicity side
in a recent SEN Why wasn’t this done before?? It is clear that nothing has
been done otherwise we would not be in the situation that we are in. Trying
to foist a “new” class on the F1J category is not the answer. You can go on
changing the specifications as many times as you like but if there is no
encouragement and publicity from the parent Aeroclub(via CAIM) then the
level of participation by member countries will continue to remain small
Trying to foist a “new” class on the F1J category can be seen as a grave
error of judgement.

[Mike

While I think that many agree the reason for lack of participation is
probably not the specification of the model as can be seen by
other pieces. The encouragement of Fre flight is our universal responsibility.
The FAI and CIAM are relativel low budget organization with not
really sufficent funds to do any major PR campagain. The only way
to get this money would be to levy the members - hardly a popular move.]

End Puppie
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Waterproof micro switches
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During this winter I've struggled with humidity problems in my digital F1H
timer (the snow melts and water creeps everywhere). Just recently some
symptoms indiceted that the problem is most likely to occur in the micro
switches that sence the towhook position. Thus my question is obvious:
where to get switches that are water-proof? I'd prefer microswithes over
e.g. reed switches as the latter would need some modifications to my hook
setup...

-Tapio-

[Tapio

With respect to micro switches - there are a number in many electromic
catalogs. Cherry make them for example.

With respect to both reed and micro switched - the quality of the switch
is very important. Gold contacts are preferable. This is because the
current switched is very low so there is always a risk contact
contamination. If you have a choice pick the switches that are for low current.
If you do not do this the micro switch relaiability will fall off with
wear - snow or not]

Re: Cyclon web page
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Bob,

The Cyclon web page is at:

http://members01.chello.se/ehnwall/cyctotal.html

HTH

Martin

Cyclon website?
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Bob Gutai wrote:
Roger,
Does anyone have the latest web page for Cyclon engines?
Bob

This is probably an outdated Cyclon site, but all the links on the page =
seem to work. http://members01.chello.se/ehnwall/cyctotal.html

Bob lipori

Otto Kuhni
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Dear Aeromodeler Guys,

I am trying to get in touch with Mr. Otto Kuhni concerning some questions
pertinent to CO2 motors. I understand he is the Grand Guru on the subject.
Would you have an email address or phone number that I might contact him?

Jerry Brendle

Super max thoughts:
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After the two World Cup events at Narranderra recently, some points come
to mind about the new super max system.

The first is how confused both organisers and competitors are in relation
to the way it works. In one instance we had a tie for 3rd place where
both competitors had dropped one or more basic (3 min) maxes. In the
rules the super max is stated to be used for breaking ties and this was
applied in that case. HOWEVER, in Ian Kaynes' description of the
application of the rules he clearly stated that the super max is only to
be used in the event of a full house (eg 7 x 3min). I copy the specific
paragraph here:

>Note for Competitors:
>If the Jury has set a super max for a round, it is neither necessary nor
>mandatory for a competitor to set his timer for more than 3 minutes in
>that round if he (or she) has dropped below the basic maximum in a
>previous round: his (or her) extra time would not be counted in his total
>score.
>
The competitor who was given 4th place was understandably upset at this
confusing state of affairs.

The second point is to do with retrieval problems caused by the first
round super max. This year Narranderra suffered from some wind. For the
F1B/C day in Southern Cross Cup the wind at the start of the day was
around 5-6m/s at ground level. In the past this would not present any
recovery problems but with a 5 minute max applied the models were going a
long way. Anyone recovering by foot had significant trouble getting back
in time for round 2 unless they were very fit (yes, some are). Now, the
retrieval process is part of FF, but the contests are judged on duration,
not whether you can run a 4 minute mile.

As well as this, the long flight distances made timing of flights
suspect. Both my father's and my own round one flights were lost in the
air due to haze/dust. I was fortunate that mine was lost over 5 minutes
but Don's was under the max.

With the new rules, organisers must take great care (and apply great
conservatism) in applying the super maxes or we end up with a contest
which is no longer enjoyable and becomes less fair.

Richard Blackam

Stuff For Sale
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Verbitsky geared engine F1C model, complete. Perfect condition, never =
damaged. Strong engine, will include a rubber mounted prop. Want to sell =
because the wing does not "nest" well with my Achterberg models in my =
model box. $2000.

Suunto (Finnish) sighting compass. Great for getting a compass bearing =
to your model. Bought it from REI a year or so ago for $65, Will sell =
for $50.

Nelson Combat .36 engine. Including a custom spinner and custom =
backplate mount with skid and fuel bulb nipple. $225.

Call Bob Johannes at 636- 441-3945 or email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Nostalgia of a different kind
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I have been visiting Bill Hartill's Free Flight Review book that I bought a
couple years ago. It is a wonderful compendium of FAI models back when they
all looked different. No mass production-the-only-difference-is-color-scheme
models here.

It brought me back to the days when we strove for both form and function.
Hardy's models always won in the "Cool" category. Carved wings, home-made
aluminum front ends (even on Nordics) and individual craftsmanship on models
you knew who built them just by the looks.

Anyway, I heartily recommend Bill's book, which is still available. Great
photos, drawings and text. A stroll down memory lane for those of us who
were around when the our heroes made flying and maxing look easy. By the
way, I am looking for "180 is Max" on VHS. I remember seeing this at a
Symposium in Chicago in 1971 or 72 in a hot, smoky drill hall at the Morton
Grove Nats. Urs Schaller was there. He lost a Finegan's Wake over the fence.
Andy deMello put his "Half-Nog" into the side of a Datsun...

Anyway, I digress. Anyone know where I can buy the video?

Bill

Juniors???
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I see that the F1P debate has brought out that word again, Juniors. Not
just one Junior but plural Juniors! Let me become the most unpopular
man on the internet.

Juniors are like the Emperor's New Clothes - everybody talks about them
but nobody can see them. Why?, because there ain't no Juniors. (And
don't criticise that double negative, this subject deserves a bit of bad
language.) Not only are there no Juniors, there's no twenties, no
thirties, no forties, a scattering of fifties and the rest of us in the
sixties, seventies and eighties. Why, if we have attracted no young
newcomers to Free Flight for thirty or more years, should we expect any
now? Leaving aside the very important fact that youngsters are not
interested in Free Flight, even if the odd one did want to try it how
can he get to the competitions.? Don't put forward the argument that
some of us experienced ones will help with advice and with travel. Have
you not noticed that the teens want to do their own thing with their own
age group they definitely do not want to hang out with grandads.

Turning now to the few Juniors who are seen on the contest scene. I
guess if you cover the whole world you probably need your toes as well
as your fingers to count them. A little while ago I asked our ruling
body in England if I could have a breakdown of the membership by age
group and, in particular, if I could have a listing of Juniors who were
not related to a Senior member. Naturally my request was ignored. I
ask the same question of anyone else who tries to convince me that there
are hoardes of Junior out there clamouring to do Free Flight.

At this point I must acknowledge that there have been some Juniors, who
almost always have been related to seniors, who have done very well. I
am not denigrating them, indeed I am not denigrating Juniors at all, I
am just saying that, in general, they do not exist. However the few
that we do see make an important point. They learn quickly, they build
quickly, they run quickly and they have eyes like eagles and they very
quickly beat the pants off the seniors. They don't need any special
treatment or special Junior classes because prefer to beat you at your
own game. Unfortunately their quickness is usually extended to the
quickness with which they leave Free Flight when another interest comes
along.

Ruling bodies, National and International, have wasted incredible
amounts of time and money over the years fouling up the Free Flight
movement in the name of Juniors. Aeromodelling is the most wonderful
hobby I can conceive, it has enriched my whole life but I realize it
belongs to a certain era. Free Flight will die with our generation.
Accept that and let us make the best of what is left. Let us have the
specifications that we want not the ideological dreams of Junior
promoting, out of touch, beaurocrats.

John Barker - England

Am Cup Schedule 2002
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2002 AMERICA'S CUP FAI FREE FLIGHT CONTEST SCHEDULE DRAFT
DATE CONTEST MINI- EVCD/SPONSOR ADDRESS PHONE
1 19 - 21 JAN SOUTHWEST REGIONALS - ELOY, AZ YES JOHN NYSTEDT 10340 E. CORTEZ SCOTTSDALE, AZ 85253 (480) 657-9824
2 15 - 17 FEB MAX MEN 14 ROUND FAI INTL - LOST HILLS, CA YES GEORGE BATIUK 1759 SOUTHWOOD DR. SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA 91401 (805) 546-8231
3 9 - 10 MAR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AERO TEAM ANNUAL YES TOM COUSSENS 25442 VIA DONA CHRISTA VALENCIA, CA 91355 (661) 222-7137
4 27 - 28 APR EASTERN FREE FLIGHT CHAMPS - INGLESIDE, MD YES TOM KERR 7733 AIRY HILL RD CHESTERTOWN, MD 21620 (410) 778-4939
5 27 - 28 APR SPRING CUP - SEGUIN, TX YES FAUST PARKER 103 BLUE WILLOW DR HOUSTON, TX 77042 (713) 266-2961
6 27 - 28 APR NORCAL FF CHAMPS - WAEGELL FIELD - SACRAMENTO, C YES BILL VANDERBEEK 13300 SIMON LANE LOS ALTOS HILLS, CA 94022 (650) 949-3366
19 11 - 12 MAY WESTERN FAI CHALLENGE - HARTS LAKE - FT LEWIS, W YES MIKE ROBERTS 2435 53RD SW SEATTLE, WA 98116 (206) 937-2740
7 18 - 19 MAY FFAMS ANNUAL - MUNCIE, IN ONLY CHUCK MARKOS 655 CARLISLE AV DEERFIELD, IL 60015 (847) 945-9225
8 25 - 26 MAY SKYSCRAPERS FAI CHALLENGE - WAWAYANDA, NY YES ANDREW BARRON 5 OLIVER DR NORTH HAVEN, CT 06473 (203) 248-5386
9 25 - 27 MAY BIG AL'S SHOOT-OUT - LOST HILLS, CA YES DOUG GALBREATH 3408 TOPSAIL PL DAVIS, CA 95616 (530) 757-6058
11 15 - 16 JUN FIESTA OF FIVE FLAGS/ TOM MC LAUGHLAN SOUTHEASTE YES BOB JUNK 984 WILLIAMSDITCH RD CANTONMENT, FL 32533 (904) 968-9619
12 22 - 23 JUN INTERCITY FAI - MUNCIE , IN YES BOB BIENENSTEIN 9821 COLWELL ALLEN PARK, MI 48101 (313) 382-8180
10 29 - 30 JUN TEXAS CLOUD CLIMBERS - WAXAHACHIE, TX YES MIKE FEDOR This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. (817) 277-1829
13 6 - 7 JUL MAGNIFICENT MOUNTAIN MEN 14 ROUND FAI - DENVER, YES CHUCK ETHERINGTON 33946 GOLDFINCH DR ELIZABETH, CO 80107 (303) 646-3705
14 13 - 14 JUL HURON CUP - CFB BORDEN, ONTARIO, CANADA YES JERRY MC GLASHAN R.R. 2, 6 HARVEST DR. NIAGARA-ON-THE-LAKE, ONTARIO, C(905) 468-1829
15 5 - 9 AUG US OUTDOOR CHAMPS/NATS - MUNCIE, IN YES ART ELLIS 80 DENISON DR GUILDFORD, CT 06437 (203) 453-1850
16 TBD NORTHWEST FREE FLIGHT CHAMPS - TANGENT, OR YES RON MC BURNETT 2265 GREENWOOD RD RICKREALL, OR 97371 (503) 363-7180
17 TBD EMPIRE STATE FF CHAMPS - GENESEO, NY YES JOHN CLAPP (570) 888-0997
18 24 - 25 AUG FAI INVITATIONAL - CHICAGO AERONUTS - MUNCIE, IN YES CHUCK MARKOS 655 CARLISLE AV DEERFIELD, IL 60015 (847) 945-9225
21 14 - 15 SEP DYNASTY CUP - DENVER, CO YES DUANE HJERLEID 4828 S. OWENS WAY COLORADO SPRINGS, CO 80920 (303) 973-1435
20 28 - 29 SEP CANADA CUP YES LESLIE FARKAS aljolie@n21 MISTY MOOR DR LITTLETON, CO 80127-1231 (905) 886-6959
22 5 - 6 OCT CALIFORNIA FAI - LOST HILLS, CA YES JUAN LIVOTTO 13212 LAKE ST LOS ANGELES, CA (310) 391-5986
23 12 - 13 OCT SIERRA CUP - RANCHO CORDOVA, CA YES MIKE MCKEEVER 4252 MOCKINGBIRD STREET FAIR OAKS, CA 95628 (916) 967-8475
24 19 - 20 OCT SOUTHWEST FAI CHALLENGE - BOULDER CITY, NV YES JON ZEISLOFT 4620 VICTORIA BEACH WAY LAS VEGAS, NV 89130 (702) 656-3850
25 19 - 20 OCT SKYSCRAPERS ANNUAL - WAWAYANDA, NY YES ART ELLIS 80 DENISON DR GUILDFORD, CT 06437 (203) 453-1850
26 9 - 10 NOV AUTUMN CUP - SEGUIN, TX YES REID SIMPSON 9207 HAZELHURST AUSTIN, TX 78729 (512) 258-4793
27 16 - 17 NOV PATTERSON FAI CHALLENGE - LOST HILLS, CA YES DON LEATH 38104 HIGH COUNTRY RD PALMDALE, CA 93551-4415 (661) 273-8668
28 30 NOV PMAC FF CHAMPS - ELOY, AZ YES JOHN NYSTEDT 10340 E. CORTEZ SCOTTSDALE, AZ 85253 (480) 657-9824
29 28 - 29 DEC KING ORANGE INTL - PALM BAY, FLA YES JIM BRADLEY 1337 PINE SAP CT ORLANDO, FL 32825 (407) 277-9132
WARNING!! DO NOT TRAVEL LONG DISTANCES TO A CONTEST WITHOUT CALLING THE CD TO CONFIRM DATES AND DETAILS!!
SEND CHANGES TO : CHANGES AND ADDITIONS IN ITALICS.
TOM COUSSENS 1) Hoosier Cup removed.
25442 VIA DONA CHRISTA 2) Canada Cup and California FAI separated.
VALENCIA, CA 3) US Free Flight Champs removed. UPDATED: 4/8/2002
(661) 222-7137 This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. 4) PMAC FF Champs added.

Am Cup Rules 2002
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RULES: FAI FREE FLIGHT AMERICA'S CUP 2002

The purpose of the America's Cup Competition is to foster the
development of flyers and models across North America in the FAI
classes F1A, F1B, and F1C as well as the mini-events, F1G, F1H, and
F1J. This coast-to-coast competition encourages flyers to attend
multiple contests each year in the United States and Canada in order to
win. To this end the Southern California Aero Team has formulated the
following rules:

1) Designated contests must be flown in accordance with the provisions
of the FAI Sporting Code and as follows:

a) F1A, B and C Contests must be a minimum of 7 rounds plus flyoffs
if required. First round max durations should require the current
extended flight times as stated in the FAI Sporting Code. F1G, H and J
contests must fly a minimum of 5 rounds plus flyoffs if required. All
events must have discreet rounds and must be flown from a launch line.
In the case of deteriorating weather or for safety reasons, contests
can be terminated after 5 rounds, and the Contest Director must provide
the situation description. The CD must also indicate which round max
durations were shortened from those stated in the FAI Sporting Code

b) For F1A, B, and C, Contests flown over two days must have 7 rounds
minimum (exception as above), and scoring will be based on total rounds
flown. Contest Directors are urged to configure contest rounds to best
allow 7 rounds plus flyoffs to be completed.

c) A $25US America’s Cup Contest Sanction Fee is required on or before
April 1 of the current schedule year. Acceptable forms of payment are
Money Orders or Checks made out to Bill Bogart and sent to either
address below. Non-payment will result in the removal of the contest
from the following year’s schedule. Designated contests will be
recommended to the SCAT Club at large by the S.C.A.T. America's Cup
Committee after careful consultation with contest organizers and FAI
competitors in the USA and Canada. Previous Cup Contests have
priority. In the event of rescheduling or cancellation, the organzer
must make an effort at widespread notification to that effect. A 30-
day advanced notice is recommended. New contests will be granted
Conditional Status for their first year on the Calendar, based on their
adherence to FAI rules as reported by organizers and contestants to
either of the Committee members (see addresses below). Points scored
at Conditional Contests are fully counted.

d) Contestant eligibility is restricted to permanent residents of the
United States, Canada and Mexico. New permanent residents must contact
the Administrator to establish eligibility. Other foreign competitors
are not considered in the quantity of entries or in the individual
scores.

2) Any number of Designated Contests can be entered and at any contest
site.

3) The highest scores from a maximum of four contests will be counted.

4) For all events, the total score may include two scores from one
site only; all other scores must come from different sites. Example:
Four scores require at least three sites; three scores require at least
two sites.

5) Points Allocation:
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 20 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 10 points
5th Place 5 points

6) Extra "Bonus" points are scored on the number of contestants in an
event:

1 - 5 0 points
6 - 8 +1 point
9 - 11 +2 points
12 - 14 +3 points
15 - 17 +4 points
18 or more +5 points

7) Contest ties must be settled, or else competitors receive the
lowest score possible. For example, if three tie for first place and
the ties are not settled, then each of the three receives the third
place score (15 points). If two tie for fourth place and no
settlement, each receives 5 points. If five or more max out with no
flyoffs, each receives 5 points. Bonus points are added to the above
scores.
Ties are to be broken in a sporting manner, in which the event's
models are flown. A single 'flyoff' flight or the result of a future
contest are the preferred methods for tie-breakers. The sportsmen are
responsible for arranging a suitable tie breaker. The results of the
tie breaker are to be documented in writing, and agreed upon by the
participants. If attempts at breaking the tie are ultimately
unsuccessful, the America’s Cup Committee is responsible for
adjudication. Ties must be broken within 60 days of the contest or by
January 15 of the following year, whichever is sooner, or the scores
will remain as ties with the lower score recorded.

8) Ties for first place in the final scoring are settled by counting
5 contests in totals or more if necessary, Rule 4 not withstanding. If
this does not settle a tie, then the winner is determined by taking the
scores from the five best contests and multiplying by the total number
of contestants in the 5 contests in the competitor's event.

9) For contests with fewer than 5 entrants, full points will be
awarded as per Rule 5. In the case of only one entrant, 25 points will
be awarded only if all other conditions of these rules are met; the
contestant must fly in a sportsman-like manner.

10) 'Entry' means - made at least one official flight.

11) Points are scored on the calendar year basis. The America's Cups
and certificates for the first five places will be awarded at a banquet
on Saturday night of the Max Men 14 Round International Contest in
California. The certificates will be mailed, and S.C.A.T. will pay
for the Cups to be shipped to those who are unable to attend; however,
it is the responsibility of the winners to return the Cups to the
America's Cup Administrator in time for the next Awards Banquet. If
Cups must be shipped, it is the responsibility of the winners to insure
the cups for $200.00 US.

12) Contests Directors or FAI Event Sponsors are to send contest
results including 1) top five winners' names and scores, 2) all FAI
Junior scores and 3) number of entries in each event to Jim Parker,
preferrably via email within two weeks of the event.

America's Cup Committee

Jim Parker Tom Coussens
9524 Ruffner 25442 Via Dona Christa
North Hills, CA 91343 Valencia, CA 91355
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Whoops we had 2 number 689s mailed and not 690 -
so this is 691 . The archive copy on the web site is correct.

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Thanks to Bill Booth Jnr for his donation in support of SEN.

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Roger Morrell

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