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SCAT Electronic News 22 November 2002 issue 757
Table of Contents
SCAT in top 10
Isaccson Winter Classic F1E Question
contact for Bill Lynch - Murphy
email address of Hewitt Phillips
Looking for Ed Wiley - Simpson
FF Champz - Thorkildsen
Flypower - Curth
More FF Champs - Augustus
Apology - Schroedter
Fly power - Brokenspar
SCAT in Top 10
Just got my NFFS Digest with the results of the NFFS top 10 Free Flighters
and Free Flight models. Great to see two members - Frank Zaic and
Bob White in the top 10 modellers and Sweeptte Lee's HLG in the top
Isaccson Winter Classic f1E Question
We plan on holding an F1E contest at the Isaccson Winter Classic
this February. At this time the F1E Zealots want to hold
the contest on the Monday. The rest of the contest will be on the
Saturday and Sunday. This is because F1E cannot be flown from the same flight
line and there are 5 rounds in the event. The afore mentioned Zealots will
be staying over on the Monday [a semi-public holiday in the US] so
this is not a problem for them - however will this date
inconvenience any other F1E afficiando ?
It is rumored that the only ? person who has been a US team member
in 3 classes - none other than our 'revered' MAC the Bigot [F1B, F1E
and now F1A] has a some F1Es for sale .. your chance to buy and fly.
I will add that inspite of his F1A team spot MAC the Bigot remains
32ND U.S. FREE FLIGHT CHAMPS
OFFICIAL RESULTS - NOVEMBER 9TH & 10TH 2002 - AAA SANCTION - LOST HILLS, CA
F1A F1H MULVIHILL
Plac Contestant Total PlacContestant Total Place Contestant Total
1 JIM PARKER 2390 1 MIKE McKEEVER 1255 1 BILL GANNON 780
2 MARTYN COWLEY 2332 2 ERNESTO BUSNELLI 1158
3 BRIAN VAN VEST 2301 3 MARTYN COWLEY 939 JR P-30
4 MIKE McKEEVER 2258 4 DALLAS PARKER 918 Place Contestant Total
5 DON ZINK 1584 5 BEN COUSSENS 872 1 CODY SECOR 348
6 RONALD HERNANDEZ 1278 6 BRIAN VAN NEST 589 2 JUSTIN MARTIN 249
7 PETER ALLNUTT 1224 7 NORM SMITH 507 3 TYLER SECOR 158
8 ERNESTO BUSNELLI 1153 8 RENE LIMBERGER 442
9 BEN COUSSENS 1140 JR HANDLAUNCH GLIDER
10 PIERRE BRUN 1127 F1G Place Contestant Total
11 NORM SMITH 1054 Plac Contestant Total 1 CODY SECOR 82
12 DALLAS PARKER 1015 1 JOHN SESSUMS 1536 2 JUSTIN MARTIN 37
13 RENE LIMBERGER 257 2 RICHARD WOOD 1474 3 JOHNATHAN KELLER 34
3 HANK COLE 722
F1B 4 PETER BROCKS 713 JR CATAPULT GLIDER
Plac Contestant Total 5 LARRY NORVALL 598 Place Contestant Total
1 JOHN PRATT 1380 6 JOHN CLAPP 595 1 CODY SECOR 276
2 PHILIP SCHEIMAN 1243 7 BILL GANNON 593 2 TYLER SECOR 229
3 JOHN CLAPP 1209 8 PHILLIP SCHEIMAN 582 3 JUSTIN MARTIN 91
4 JOHN SESSUMS 1182 9 BOB VANNEST 149 4 JOHNATHAN KELLER 58
5 RICHARD WOOD 1169
6 LARRY NORVALL 1007 F1J HANDLAUNCH GLIDER
7 ALLEN ULM 983 Plac Contestant Total Place Contestant Total
1 DAVE SHIRLEY 1096 1 LEE HINES 587
F1C 2 GUY MENNANO 832 2 TIM BATIUK 459
Plac Contestant Total 3 DAVE ROUNSAVILLE 520 3 STAN BUDDENBOHM 263
1 GUY MENNANO 1249 4 DAVID MARTIN 224
2 DOUG JOYCE 1049 B GAS 5 NORM SMITH 202
Plac Contestant Total 6 DICK PETERSON 169
1/2 A GAS 1 TERRY THORKILDSEN 894
Plac Contestant Total 2 MICHAEL THOMPSON 864 CATAPULT GLIDER
1 MATTHEW KRUSE 1332 3 DAVE SHIRLEY 861 Place Contestant Total
2 TERRY THORKILDSEN 826 4 LYNN PULLEY 534 1 TIM BATIUK 571
3 TYLER SECOR 720 5 TERRY ELLINGTON 143 2 LEE HINES 359
4 DAVE ROUNSAVILLE 644 3 MICHAEL THOMPSON 357
5 CODY SECOR 540 C GAS 4 STAN BUDDENBOHM 331
6 TOM CARMAN 483 Plac Contestant Total 5 FRANK POLLARD 231
7 LARRY BAIN 281 1 JOHN KELLER 1260 6 DICK PETERSON 210
8 LYNN PULLEY 82 2 JEFF ELLINGTON 1255 7 NORM SMITH 193
9 JEFF ELLINGTON 0 3 LYNN PULLEY 896
4 PAUL STOBER 712 P-30
A GAS 5 TERRY THORKILDSEN 505 Place Contestant Total
Plac Contestant Total 6 TOM CARMAN 180 1 PHILIP SCHEIMAN 886
1 GUY MENNANO 1980 2 AL HOTARD 595
2 DAVE SHIRLEY 1440 D GAS 3 BOB VAN NEST 510
3 TERRY THORKILDSEN 1031 Plac Contestant Total 4 MIKE THOMPSON 480
4 MICHAEL THOMPSON 1030 1 PAUL STOBER 720 5 BILL GANNON 280
5 PAUL STOBER 861 2 LYNN PULLEY 520
6 MIKE RYAN 666 3 JOHN KELLER 482
7 LYNN PULLEY 277 4 TERRY THORKILDSEN 474 Revised 11/21/02
8 BILL ALNES 90
1/4 A NOSTALGIA OT LARGE FUSELAGE 1/4 A TEXACO
Plac Contestant Total Plac Contestant Total Place Contestant Total
1 BOB DeSHIELDS 504 1 JOHN PRATT 636 1 RON BOOTS 350
2 MIKE THOMPSON 433 2 PETER WESSEL 284
3 FRANK POLLARD 223 1/2 A TEXACO
OT SMALL FUSELAGE Place Contestant Total
1/2 A NOSTALGIA Plac Contestant Total 1 DAN HEINRICH 1097
Plac Contestant Total 1 PETER WESSEL 535 2 ALLEN HEINRICH 702
1 MIKE THOMPSON 1055 3 RON BOOTS 606
2 ROBERT DeSHIELDS 897 OT LARGE RUBBER STICK
3 DAVE SHIRLEY 519 Plac Contestant Total TEXACO
4 TOM CARMAN 469 1 BOB DeSHIELDS 665 Place Contestant Total
5 BOB DeSHIELDS 448 2 JEAN ANDREWS 610 1 BRAD LEVINE 25:38
6 TERRY ELLINGTON 325 3 PETER WESSEL 429 2 LARRY CLARK 15:58
7 FRANK POLLARD 296 3 ROY MEDLIN 8:22
8 KENNETH KAISER 77 OT SMALL RUBBER STICK
Plac Contestant Total OT C FUSELAGE
A NOSTALGIA 1 BOB DeSHIELDS 900 Place Contestant Total
Plac Contestant Total 2 CARL REDLIN 873 1 ROY MEDLIN 278
1 BOB DeSHIELDS 515 3 AL HOTARD 658
2 KENNETH KAISER 496 OT A PYLON
3 BILL ALNES 464 NIGHT GAS Place Contestant Total
4 DEL ADAM 456 Plac Contestant Total 1 ALLEN HEINRICH 405
5 ROBERT DeSHIELDS 451 1 JOHN KELLER 494
6 TERRY ELLINGTON 385 2 MIKE RYAN 343 OT B PYLON
7 TOM CARMAN 360 3 TERRY ELLINGTON 173 Place Contestant Total
8 MICHAEL THOMPSON 258 1 ROY MEDLIN 478
B NOSTALGIA Plac Contestant Total OT C PYLON
Plac Contestant Total 1 CARL REDLIN 854 Place Contestant Total
1 TERRY ELLINGTON 476 2 BILLL GANNON 371 1 LARRY CLARK 367
C NOSTALGIA GOLLYWOCK MASS LAUNCH 020 REPLICA
Plac Contestant Total Plac Contestant Total Place Contestant Total
1 BOB DeSHIELDS 720 1 RANDY SECOR 287 1 FRANK POLLARD 711
2 BILL ALNES 398 2 STAN BUDDENBOHM 267 2 LARRY BAIN 409
3 BOB DeSHIELDS 215
SLOW GAS 4 AL HOTARD 107 1/2 A TEXACO SCALE
Plac Contestant Total Place Contestant Total
1 LYNN PULLEY 540 Co2 1 JEAN ANDREWS 564
2 TERRY THORKILDSEN 525 Plac Contestant Total 2 RON BOOTS 34
3 TOM CARMAN 481 1 STAN BUDDENBOHM 1260
4 ROBERT DeSHIELDS 477 2 DICK PETERSON 299 PEANUT SCALE
5 JEFF ELLINGTON 459 Place Contestant Total
6 BOB DeSHIELDS 425 VINTAGE WAKEFIELD 1 FRANK POLLARD 178
7 TIDAVE ROUNSAVILLE 249 Plac Contestant Total
7 TITERRY ELLINGTON 249 1 PETER WESSEL 435 30 SEC. ANTIQUE
8 BILL ALNES 124 2 JEAN ANDREWS 295 Place Contestant Total
1 ROY MEDLIN 316
contact for Bill Lynch
Can someone on SCAT provide any current contact details for Bill Lynch, the
'Pegasus' 'Hurry Up,'Sidewinder' and 'Laser 660' designer.
The phone number on a 5-6 year old Lynch Competition Systems catalogue,
916/823-1037 no longer works.
Ideally I'd like an e-mail address if anyone knows it [asked the same
question on ffml about a week ago with zero response!]
For the curious, I have some queries regarding the current status of the
AD 06, and production numbers, and Bill is probably in the best position to
answer them [this in conjunction with part II of 'Engines for F1J', which is
nearly finished, for publication in the Jan 2003 issue of 'Free Flight
email address of Hewitt Phillips
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: email address of Hewitt Phillips
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:31:50 -0700
From: "Alan Petersen"
To: "Don Miller"
I don't think I have the email for Hewitt Phillips. You might post an
ask if anyone has the address.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Miller"
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 8:40 PM
Subject: email address of Hewitt Phillips
> I'd like to ask Hewitt Phillips a question about one of his symbols in a
> paper he wrote on the easy way of finding Reynolds number. If you have
> his email address or if he does not have one then perhaps his regular
> address would be appreciated. Thanks.
Looking for Ed Wiley
Roger, please post on SEN
Ed Wiley, please contact me via E-mail.
Although the attendance was way down at the champs
this year it seemed like the AMA power flyers were as
prominent as the FAI Guys on Saturday and we stayed
and flew at least some of our events on Saturday
starting at about 10:00am but what do I know since I
still fly strapdown.
My only complaint was that you guys weren't more
upwind so we could pick air off of you easier. Please
don't send me nasty emails for my light sense of humor
since this is how it appeared from our side of the
field. We all had fun and I am sure the FAI guys did
I agree that Mike and Kevin Keller did a fine job of
running the champs under not the best of weather
conditions and we should all thank them and their
Thermals to all,
In hi school 1938-42 we built fly powered microfilm hang gliders of 3 to
4 in. span. the fly was glued in the pilots seat. We got lazy and then flew
strips of tissue, even made twin powered strips. Trouble was we could
not get both flies to operate at the same time. Flights were conical patterns
of the strip of tissue, first one end up and the other fixed and then the ends
reversed as the rested fly took over while his friend rested.
More FF Champs
I wholeheartedly agree with Bob Stalick that the USFFC should be
flown in September or October, not November. The event has been
deteriorating in attendance and stature ever since it was moved from
Taft on Memorial Day. The USFFC once was the premier outdoor FF event
in the US, and it has since become less meaningful and popular than
many of the club events, FAI and otherwise.
The majority of participants at the USFFC are not FAI fliers, and
they don't go there for points. They go to have an enjoyable weekend
flying with their friends in good weather. Unless CUFFMAC is content
to have free flighters in the entire country outside of So. Cal
eliminate the USFFC from their schedules, they would be well advised
to consider Bob's request.
[Bruce and Terry ..
I think that we are saying the same thing .. that we wish this event
had the same standing that it did a few years back - when it
was well run, had many events and was well attended. From your
notes and Bob Stalick's as well as my Phillistine FAI
comments there is plenty of potential for attracting out
of state participants as well as California locals ..
again no reflection on this year's event where the Kellers
and friends did an excellent job]
I want to apologize to all who were in the coupe fly-off at the
Patterson. Driving home I realized that I had made a grievous mistake by
insisting that the first fly-off round be three minutes. I can only
attribute this to a lack of coupe fly-off experience. For the longest
time it seemed that I was snake bit flying my coupes. At every contest I
made some dumb mistake and failed to max out. At Pierre's contest last
June I finally did 600 seconds. But I had not read the flyer thoroughly
enough. The first round max was 150 seconds. Dumb!
Now suddenly I have made the fly-off 3 times in succession. Sunday I was
afraid that I would loose sight of my model if we went for 4 minutes in
that wind. My 75 year old eyes are not so good anymore. As it turned
out, I did not have the slightest problem seeing my coupe in the 3
minute round---despite the fact that I put it up in a boomer and it DTed
at great height. I could have surely followed it another minute.
Now all I need to do if help my wonderful Walia to learn to use
Again, my sincerest apology.
The '40 Chicago Nats featured elegant billeting
at the Hotel Sherman. in downtown Chicago.
Several beds and cots jammed in a room...hardly space
to walk around.
( John Chismania was asleep on a cot in the middle of
the nights activity of preparing models for the coming day.
We tried the old gag of putting his hand in a tub of warm water. Nothing
happened. He rolled over and slept on..*. )
So, the phone rang. Geez! It's the desk, asking for Brodersen.
Come to the lobby ! Your model has been returned...!
In the lobby, a busy public place now, in the early evening, populated
with aeromodellers of adolesent antic,
I go from the desk, to a kind of teller's cage with grating,
to another, and another....
no one knows of this found model.
' But you called the room ! ' ...a shrug.
It takes a while. With me it always took a while...
still takes a while...
There is no - found model -.
Probably some Aeronut,
turning the screw on a Detroit guy.
So in the background there is something going on.
In the hotel lobby. stuff is flying around...
...a guy shows me this little 4 inch mike job, stick fuselage,
he's got a fly on the front end of the stick.
It's alive ! Legs straining and wiggling with the hardening glue...
' Watch this ! '
It zig zags to the ceiling, bumps around,
and settles into a gliding turn..
Who called me about finding my model !
* John Chismania has passed on from the company of his
modelling friends. He endured this assault on his dignity with silence