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News and Reports 2000 - second half
SCAT Electronic News 26 September issue 477
Table of Contents
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Team Dollars- Waterman
The US FAI Team Selection process - Toto in Kansas
Team Selection Program - Hinson
Bryton Barron Memorial Free Flight Challenge - Barron
Remaining America's Cup events - Coussens
The FFonz - Vincent
Am Cup Plus Finals - Ioerger
Team Dollars
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Reply to Schrodter - Your suggestion, as well as similar suggestions, have
been discussed at length in prior Team Selection Committee Meetings. One of
the main hurdles to cross was the financing of the program and teams,
notwithstanding having "15-18" contestants trying to make the team due to
the limitations inposed by travel and/or other strict requirements.
Financing can be lightly tossed off verbally until it comes down to someone
to raise the money to finance the program and to send the team. Then
everyone does the "head in the sand" routine - "let him raise the money
cauze I can't". It won't work, so get off it.
Waterman
The US FAI Team Selection process
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The concensus shortcoming for our Team Finals is that it rewards consistency
and not necessarily the ability to make a long flight. For example, if there
are only three "clean" fliers after the seven rounds, then no one has
demonstrated the ability to make more than 3.5 minutes (for F1B). If, at the
World Champs, there are 17 fliers in the flyoff, this kind of capability will
guarantee you at least 15th, 16th and 17th places!
One obvious solution is to reach down into the "unclean" fliers and hold a
flyoff. There are various possibilities on how to do this: Simply take the
top ten fliers? Take the top ten fliers who have dropped only one round or
less? Maybe the top six fliers? The goal is to get enough of the top fliers
(that is, the most consistent fliers) into the flyoffs that the flyoffs will
make it into or past the 7 minute round.
Jim O'Reilly
Team Selection Program
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Roger,
Here we go again. People that don't fly F.A.I. on a regular basis trying
to tell the FAI planners how we should run our team selection program.
It is expensive enough with the price of quality equipment and rubber to
compete for a place on the team with our current program. We don't need
to add expensive travel all over the country as a prerequisite. No, I
haven't made the team, but I have flown in all of the team programs
since 1974 at Taft. I have been involved in both kinds of selection
programs. The one we have now is just fine.
Rex Hinson
Bryton Barron Memorial Free Flight Challenge
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Bryton Barron Memorial Free Flight Challenge
America's Cup and National Cup
FAI, AMA, Nostalgia, Oldtime Rubber, FAC
October 28-29, 2000
Barron and Ford Fields
Wawayanda, New York
Events are (J,S,O) combined. Additional award to top Junior and Senior
in each event flown.
FAI EVENTS, SKYSCRAPER ANNUAL/CHALLENGE:
Saturday Oct 28, F1A, F1B, F1C
7 rounds starting at 8:00, 9:00, 10:00, 11:00, 12:00, 1:30, 3:00.
Afternoon rounds 90 minutes each. Flyoffs start at 4:30.
Sunday Oct 29, F1G, F1H, F1J
5 rounds starting at 8:00, 9:00, 10:00, 11:00, 12:00, with
1/2 hour overlaps. Flyoff, if necessary, start at 1:30.
AMA AND NOSTALGIA EVENTS, SKYSCRAPER ANNUAL: Saturday: 1/2 A Gas,
Hand Launch Glider, P-30, Moffet, ABC Nostalgia, Pee Wee 30.
Sunday: Dawn Unlimited, ABC Gas, Catapult Glider, Mulvihill,
1/2 A Nostalgia, Dakota
OLD-TIME RUBBER, ``One'' Design Events. Rules: Maximum span 33 in.,
free wheeling 12 inch propellor, rubber 25 grams. Contact Don Ross
for list of permitted designs.
FAC EVENTS: Saturday: FAC Scale, Peanut Scale, WWI mass launch,
Golden Age Racers mass launch. Sunday: Golden Age Scale, Dime Scale,
WWII mass launch, Modern Military mass launch.
CONTEST DIRECTORS:
FAI: Art Ellis, 203-453-1850, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
80 Denison Drive, Guilford, CT 06437
AMA and Nostalgia:
Alan Abriss, 718-275-6362, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
94-20 66th Avenue, Forest Hills, NY 11374
One-Design Events:
Don Ross, ph: 201-568-5272, fax 201-568-5032, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
38 Churchill Road, Cresskill, NJ 07626
FAC: Tom Hallman, 610-395-5656, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
2553 Mill House Rd., Macungie, PA 18062
HOST: Andrew Barron, 203-248-5386, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
5 Oliver Drive, North Haven, CT 06473
Likely dates next year: Skyscraper Challenge, June 2-3, 2001 (when the
winter grass is cut and the corn is short) and Skyscraper Annual,
Oct. 27-28, 2001 (after the harvest). Both with FAI and AMA events.
HOTELS:
Days Inn on 17M in Middletown, exit 3 off I-84.
845-374-2411. Price approximately $70 - $80. Good quality.
Global Budget Inn of America on 17M, also exit 3 off I-84.
914-374-3020. Price between $50 - $60. Reasonable quality,
though credit card does not guarantee room with late arrival.
Holiday Inn at exit 4 off I-84, exit 122 off Highway 17.
845-343-1474.
Hampton Inn at exit 4 off I-84, exit 122 off Highway 17.
845-343-3400.
Super 8 at exit 120 off Highway 17.
845-692-5828.
DIRECTIONS:
>From New York city, take I-87 to Highway 17 to exit 123, west on 17M
for 3.5 miles toward Middletown, to Orange County Route 12, then go
south 6.3 miles. After Gardnersville Road, the field is on the left
at the Grain Silo. [Approximately one hour from the Tappan Zee bridge.]
>From New England and from upper New York, take I-84 to exit 3, Rt. 17M,
go east 1.5 miles, then south on Ct. Rt. 12 for 6.3 miles. Field is on
the left. [About thirty minutes from Newburg.]
>From Western New York take Route 17 to I-84, south 3 miles to exit 3,
Route 17M, go east 1.5 miles, then south on Ct. Rt. 12 for 6.3 miles.
Field is on the left.
>From Pennsylvania and points south, take I-84 to exit 2, go six miles
east on County Route 1, then one mile north on County Route 12.
Field is on right at the Grain Silo.
Remaining America's Cup events
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7 - 8 OCT CALIFORNIA FAI - LOST HILLS, CA
JUAN LIVOTTO 13212 LAKE ST, LOS ANGELES, CA (310) 391-5986
1 - 22 OCT SIERRA CUP - RANCHO CORDOVA, CA
ROGER SIMPSON 133 GARDENIA AVE, SACRAMENTO, CA 95828 (916) 682-60
9 - 29 OCT SKYSCRAPERS ANNUAL & CHALLENGE - WAWAYANDA, NY
ART ELLIS 80 DENISON DR, GUILDFORD, CT 06437 (203) 453-185
4 - 5 NOV SOUTHWEST FAI CHALLENGE - BOULDER CITY, NV
JON ZEISLOFT 4620 VICTORIA BEACH WAY, LAS VEGAS, NV 89130 (702) 656-385
1 - 12 NOV AUTUMN CUP - SEGUIN, TX
REID SIMPSON 9207 HAZELHURST, AUSTIN, TX 78729 (512) 258-479
1 - 12 NOV US FREE FLIGHT CHAMPS - LOST HILLS, CA
8 - 19 NOV PATTERSON FAI CHALLENGE - LOST HILLS, CA
DON LEATH 38104 HIGH COUNTRY RD, PALMDALE, CA 93551-4415 (661) 273-8668
9 - 31 DEC KING ORANGE INTL - PALM BAY, FLA
JIM BRADLEY 1337 PINE SAP CT, ORLANDO, FL 32825 (407) 277-913
The FFonz
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Roger, you may have seen request from Dave Ackery for someone to take over the
running of the FFoNZ Trophy events he set up and provided magnificent trophies
for. My dear Moira. a very good glider flier, has offered to take over.
The FF Trophy will be run basically like the America's Cup (No Roger, not like
the sailing one where England ruled the waves and America waived the rules)
over the best of three.
[Actually Linc over here we think the F[f]onz is some kind of TV folk
hero [?], who probably was around when I first met you.]
Am Cup Plus Finals
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Hi Roger
On the subject of FAI team selection, it seems to me that using the
Americas Cup results for the past year and a half to pick the entrants to
the team selection finals would meet most of the requirements that we have
been discussing. We could select the top twenty flyers in A B and C to
attend the finals. Then at the finals we could increase the max of the
early round to six or seven minutes to reward pure aircraft performance
more strongly since the contestants have already demonstrated the ability to
fly well in mid day rounds. This approach would also eliminate the timer
problem. Sure you will have to travel some and fly well not just accumulate
time but that is exactly what is required to do well in the World
Championships .
Thermals
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.........
Roger Morrell
