SEN-479 September 30 2000
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News and Reports 2000 - second half
SCAT Electronic News 30 Sept 2000 issue 479
Table of Contents
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How to post? (sorry) - Bennett
Icarex and Eliminating Porosity - Covalt
Brun's Bike - Broken spar
Bill Moore ? - Parker
Luddite Comment on Team Selection - Al the [other] Luddite
Religon and Politics NOT - Thorkildsen
USFFChamps Schedule - Stalick
Fuel for though! - Achterberg
Stonehenge 2000 - Gregorie
Prima's at Stonehenge - Woodhouse
How to post? (sorry)
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Roger,
If I want to post on SEN in the way that is easiest for you, do I put my
text on the form tilted, "Send Entry Form?" Or, I could just e-mail you,
right, but then you have to reformat? Do I need the registration info I
originally provided, such as user name, or other, which I lost?
Thanks, Mark Bennett, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
[Mark, and anyone else the best way to post is just to e-mail your words
of wisdom to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. To make it easierr for me restrict it to
76 letters per line. This can often be done when you have a varable
pitch font by setting it to 12 point Courier.]
Icarex and Eliminating Porosity
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After noting several comments in the scat newsletter about the porosity of
Icarex I would like to share what little I know about it.
The porosity is caused by the polycarbonate coating not completely saturating
the cloth fibers and varies somewhat from batch to batch. I tend to believe
this is probably a manufacturing defect, not a design defect, and
unfortunately will be corrected eventually. I say unfortunately because the
porosity makes it much easier to install than the traditional films because
trapped air under the covering is not a problem. The latest Icarex I have
received has noticeably less porosity than that from 1 1/2 years ago.
Michael Achterberg suggested AeroGloss clear dope to seal Icarex and stop
absorbation of water ,oil, etc, and he is correct. Do not try to use
butyrate dope because the adhesion is not adequate. And of course nitrate
dope is not fuel proof and also has less than desirable adhesion.
Brushing on one coat of AeroGloss dope thinned 50/50 will more than
adequately seal Icarex covering. However, the usual "brushing on" leaves
streaks and adds more weight than necessary. Spraying will cure the streaks,
but is not a good method to seal porosity. Ever tried to spray unsealed silk?
A more "professional" way is to brush on (not Flow on) 50/50 Aerogloss (dope
and thinner) on an area no greater than 1/2 square foot. Then with at least
75% of the dope still wet, WIPE the dope off will a good quality household
paper towel UNTIL DRY. Using this method a large wing can be sealed in 15
minutes with negligible weight added.
You may notice some coloration being transferred to the paper towel while
wiping. This indicates that the dope has been absorbed into the weave of the
cloth. The cloth is dyed to give the color and the AeroGloss loosens the dye
some.
The best source for Icarex is "Hang-em-High Fabrics" of Richmond, Virginia.
Bonnie Marvin is the proprietor and is very helpful. It is easy to order
from her website which is: . The New 1/2
oz. Polycarbonate Ripstop Icarex with the Part# 12PCxxx (the xxx being color
designation) is the one used for model aircraft.
Richard Covalt
Anderson, Indiana
Brun's Bike
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Looking at your 9/28 contents I saw.... FOR SALE.....Brun.
What ? A stationary Bike ? But no, just some kind of a F1A.
Then, I see notice of Ed Turner's mags. Looks like a good opportunity.
I have a stack of model mags, about 10 feet high, ( two, 5 ft. ) Used
to use them
to weigh down wing skins during the aluminum wing period. Any sportsman
want them,
he can have them ( sight unseen ) for the cost of packaging and shipping
by Mailboxes Etc.
I'll weed l out one or two phone books. Take 'em to Mailboxes. No
airfreight.
This would take a real sportsman ! Or, a devoted collector !
Brokenspar
Bill Moore ?
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I called his number and it had been discontected.
Do you kow if he is still with us
or has passed.....I don't know how to get hold of his son Chriss who lives in
Phoenix Az. Could you check the grapevine and find out and get back to me.
Regards, Clay Parker using Bill
Gieskieng's computer
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Luddite Comment onTeam Selection
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So there is no misunderstanding, I do not, repeat ---do not, believe the
America's Cup should replace the Team Selection Program. The Program is fine
as presently designed. If it needs fine tuning, then the active participants
should do it, ----and no one else.....
Al Hotard
Religon and Politics NOT
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Roger,
With all this discussion on team selection programs & such maybe we should
move on to religion and politics when it is finished.
Thermals,
Terry
USFFChamps Schedule
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I just contacted Mike Myers about these "missing" events. He is aware of the
discrepancy in the entry form, and has informed me that they will be hosting
HH Cat. Glider, Replica .020, and P-30 Jr which was also omitted.
HH Cat is on Friday, Replica .020 is on Saturday. I do not know when the P-30
Jr. event is scheduled.
Hope this helps.
Bob Stalick
Fuel for though!
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Hello;
Rex, was wondering if you were referring to me as someone who does not fly,
but was offering suggestions. If so, I probably would be in program if not
building for 20 F1C flyers and a number of F1B flyers. My choice of course,
but circumstances and supply problems dictated the course of my program.
Once again, the proposal of change has created an uproar. Funny, as we get
older, the thought of change provokes such animosity, especially in the
high-tech ever changing world we live in. Sometimes change is a good thing.
People immediately think, not me, I am not going to travel. But pick any
given scenario and do you not travel to X number of contests over a 2 year
period anyway. And wouldn't it be better if those contests had a 100 plus
entrants instead of 20 or 30?
Next, the cost, if you have a box full of models ranging from a $1000.00+
to many thousands and you travel to these contests anyway is the cost really
a factor. I mean you are going to fly in these
events anyway, aren't you??
Why do so many people come to the Max-Men? The size of the contest!!
Wouldn't it be great if there were 4 or more Max-Men size events a year to
look forward to participating in, and you can pick and choose the ones that
fit your schedule or fly in all of them. Isn't this what we, as flyers and
competitors, all really get a kick out of and plan our flying program
around. If we would look at this, what we do, as a sport instead of a hobby,
we would all benefit from it in terms of growth and participation. I started
flying F1B cause there was so few flying F1C. F1B has feed itself, more
entrants more interest and still growing!! I think that I have helped build
the entry level in F1C and hopefully it will start taking off also. It has
taken longer that anticipated, but it has started to feed itself as well. It
is a pretty tough sell to tell someone that you can spend X amount of
dollars and travel X amount of miles to fly against 2, 3, 4, flyers. They
say, what's the point?? But if you have 20, 30, or more to compete against
the cost factor becomes a mute point. If it is what you want to do and you
will find a way!! It is in your blood!!! Competition is what drives the F1
flyer and makes this a sport and not just a hobby. Leave the hobby to AMA
events and let us create a higher plain, no pun intended, and goal to make
this a sport worthy of advanced engineering and Aero-dynamics. High -tech
sells in the world we live in and we can make our sport grow by using this
selling tool to promote and interest new people into new flyers.
Example, new F1C models can be set up and practically fly off the board.
That could not happen just a few short years ago. The first flight fears are
all but gone and this alone has created new and sustain interest in this
event. Gadgets and knowledge has made all these events more popular. Ease of
flying creates renewed interest and a lot of fun. Think about it!! More
flyers= more fun= more flyers!!
Thermals
Michael Achterberg
Stonehenge 2000
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Roger,
Here are the results form the Stonehenge Cup, which was run last weekend.
F1B and F1C were flown on Saturday, 24th September 2000. Only four rounds
were flown because there was a pheasant shoot that was downwind during the
afternoon. We declared a hold until the wind swung back. This was partly to
avoid disrupting them and partly because the beaters were trashing and
stealing models. Conditions were sunny, but with a strong breeze, once the
early morning mist burnt off. The wind strength was the cause of the reduced
max.
F1A was run on Sunday, 24th September 2000. The contest ran to the planned 5
rounds despite a heavy downpour that occupied much of rounds 4 and 5.
Conditions were misty at first and overcast all day, though the wind never
exceeded 4 m/s. We were treated to a fly-past by the RAF's Lancaster and two
Spitfires during the 3rd round.
Event F1A : FAI Glider
No Contestant Rounds Flyoff
Total
1 137 S. RUMPP GERMANY 180 180 180 180 180 314 1214
2 148 V. STAMOV UKRAINE 180 180 180 180 180 187 1087
3 015 D. BARTLE BRITISH 180 180 180 180 180 17 917
4 008 G. ARINGER AUSTRIA 180 180 180 180 176 896
5 029 J.E. CARTER BRITISH 180 180 180 145 180 865
6 040 M. COOK BRITISH 180 180 180 180 124 844
7 013 A.D. BALL BRITISH 180 180 180 180 121 841
8 180 P. WILLIAMS BRITISH 180 173 180 180 124 837
9 041 J.H. COOPER BRITISH 180 115 180 180 180 835
10 166 T. VAN ELDIK NEDERLANDS 180 180 180 180 112 832
11 039 W. COLLEDGE BRITISH 180 180 115 159 180 814
11 116 V. NERENG NORWAY 180 180 180 180 94 814
13 059 P. FINDAHL SWEDEN 180 180 180 150 113 803
14 198 M KOSONOZHKINRUSSIA 180 180 180 108 146 794
15 053 C.H. EDGE SCOTTISH 180 180 180 128 110 778
16 048 P. DE BOER NEDERLANDS 115 180 180 129 170 774
17 025 C. BREEMAN BELGIUM 133 180 180 115 158 766
18 149 I. STEFFENSENNORWAY 180 170 154 159 80 743
19 122 D.J. OLDFIELDBRITISH 180 125 180 141 93 719
19 192 B. TAYLOR (J)BRITISH 75 147 169 180 148 719
21 119 R.T. NICHOLSON BRITISH 149 180 117 152 106 704
22 044 A.J. CRISP BRITISH 132 180 180 61 128 681
23 068 M.C. GREGORIENEW ZEALAND 180 171 149 125 52 677
24 118 B. NICHOLSON BRITISH 138 174 123 136 89 660
25 187 P. SEELEY BRITISH 157 180 135 170 642
26 056 M. FANTHAM BRITISH 180 180 180 91 631
27 045 J. CUTHBERT BRITISH 180 135 153 150 618
28 066 M.A. GIBBS BRITISH 180 180 128 85 573
29 179 J. WILLIAMS BRITISH 108 180 180 103 571
30 012 J. BAILEY BRITISH 122 137 180 108 547
31 157 P. TRIBE BRITISH 95 103 180 63 104 545
32 047 S. DARMON BRITISH 180 180 112 64 536
33 033 P.A. CHAMBERLAIN BRITISH 180 180 111 471
34 065 A.C. GIBBS BRITISH 113 155 180 448
35 050 M. DILLY BRITISH 147 166 117 430
36 061 J. FLYNN BRITISH 135 135 105 375
37 082 J. HOWICK BRITISH 75 73 180 328
38 028 A. CAMERON BRITISH 81 54 180 315
39 165 N. VAN ELDIK (J)NEDERLANDS 128 96 224
40 084 A.G. JACK BRITISH 56 56
Event F1B : Wakefield
No Contestant Rounds Flyoff
Total
1 083 M. HOWICK BRITISH 150 180 150 150 300 420 1350
2 130 B.R. PEERS BRITISH 150 180 150 150 300 358 1288
3 022 T. BORTNE NORWAY 150 180 150 150 300 345 1275
4 138 P. RUYTER NEDERLANDS 150 180 150 150 300 261 1191
5 196 I. KOLIC YUGOSLAVIA 150 180 150 150 300 146 1076
6 154 S. TEDESCHI FRANCE 150 180 150 150 258 888
7 010 B. ASLETT BRITISH 150 180 150 150 245 875
8 182 M. WOODHOUSE BRITISH 150 180 150 150 231 861
9 133 G.C. PINK BRITISH 150 180 150 150 204 834
10 020 J. BILLAM BRITISH 150 180 150 150 196 826
11 186 I. VIVCHAR UKRAINE 150 180 150 150 193 823
12 181 J. WOLD NORWAY 150 180 150 150 188 818
13 184 M. WOOLNER BRITISH 150 180 150 150 630
14 147 J.B. SPOONER BRITISH 150 180 150 146 626
15 037 R.J. CHEESLEYBRITISH 150 180 142 150 622
16 032 K.E. CHAMBERLAIN BRITISH 150 180 150 139 619
17 156 O. TORGERSEN NORWAY 128 180 150 150 608
18 034 C.J. CHAPMAN BRITISH 150 180 150 127 607
19 067 D. GREAVES BRITISH 150 130 150 150 580
20 191 D.E. LARSEN NORWAY 124 169 150 99 542
21 188 A. VICENTE FRANCE 150 180 150 27 507
22 160 G. TURNBULL BRITISH 150 180 150 480
22 161 P. UDEN BRITISH 150 180 150 480
22 164 T. VAN EEDE NEDERLANDS 150 180 0 150 480
25 078 M. HOFFMANN GERMANY 107 136 150 82 475
26 139 K.W. SALZER AUSTRIA 79 180 101 113 473
27 090 G.F. KENT BRITISH 150 180 136 466
28 167 H. VAN HOORN NEDERLANDS 150 162 150 462
29 153 G. STRINGER BRITISH 150 180 115 445
30 055 M. EVATT BRITISH 150 126 97 64 437
31 168 P. VAN MERKESTIJN NEDERLANDS 150 180 99 429
32 189 E. CHALLIS BRITISH 150 115 150 415
33 088 R. JONES BRITISH 150 101 150 401
34 081 B. HORSLEY BRITISH 150 110 87 347
35 069 V. GREIMEL AUSTRIA 53 65 144 262
36 175 C. WESTERMAN BRITISH 120 50 64 234
37 117 R.W. NEW BRITISH 150 78 228
38 019 K. BEST AUSTRALIA 97 21 5 123
Event F1C : FAI Power
No Contestant Rounds Flyoff Total
1 057 K.A. FAUX BRITISH 150 180 150 150 171 801
2 014 P.A. BALL BRITISH 150 180 150 150 86 716
3 174 P. WATSON BRITISH 150 180 150 150 630
4 008 G. ARINGER AUSTRIA 150 133 150 147 580
5 093 R. KING BRITISH 150 180 150 480
6 194 C. GRETTER GERMANY 150 117 150 56 473
7 155 J. THOMPSON BRITISH 139 170 150 459
8 073 P.R. HARRIS BRITISH 150 90 85 121 446
9 045 J. CUTHBERT BRITISH 150 107 150 407
10 011 R. BAGGOTT BRITISH 150 153 303
11 084 A.G. JACK BRITISH 150 4 154
12 142 S. SCREEN BRITISH 150 150
Martin Gregorie
The Prima contest
The event took place on Barkston Heath on Sunday 24th
September being run alongside the
Stonehenge cup. Ten flyers turned up ready to give a crack,
a couple retired before the event
leaving eight to fight it out. Due to the weather the
contest was limited to three x two-minute
flights. The scores were as follows: -
Place Name First flight Second flight Third flight Total score
1 Ron Sabey 107 120 120 347
2 Derek Ridley 120 120 100 340
3 Daniel Billam (Junior) 116 103 120 339
4 David Beales 118 120 87 325
5 Manfred Hoffman 78 120 120 318
6 Igor Vivchar 120 120 0 240
7 John Whitby 70 66 70 210
8 Derek May 79 20 0 199
The proceedings were efficiently run by Geoff Kent.
I had promised to help but I was
somewhat preoccupied up a tree recovering my F1B
from its last round max. Such was the
interest and the enthusiasm we are planning to run it again.
So if you have a Prima get it ready!
Mike Woodhouse
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Roger Morrell
