SEN 2362 - Patterson, Dudettes and Swiss protest 7 Nov

Table of Contents – SEN 2362


  1. Patterson Contest this weekend at Lost Hills
  2. Dudette?
  3. Protest against Bern contest


Patterson Contest this weekend at Lost Hills



Please come and join us for a fun flying weekend.

Long range weather forecast is for cooler temperature and low winds.

We will be providing lunch on Saturday.

See you on the field.






                   Nov 11 & 12 Reserve Nov 13 , 2017 at Lost Hills Field, CA



                 Sanction No.


Saturday, Nov 11: F1A, F1B, F1C, F1Q, F1P

Seven [7] one hour rounds start @ 7:30 AM with extended max times

F1A, F1B, F1C, and F1Q: 240 sec F1P 180 sec

Remaining round maxes are 180 sec. 

Fly off schedule 30 min after end of last round. Event start times will be posted


Sunday, Nov 12: F1G, F1H, F1J, F1S

Tie Breaker flight to the ground. F1H 7:30- 7:40; F1G 7:45-7:55; F1S & F1J 8:00: -8:10

There may be a slight delay if F1A, F1B, F1C require morning fly offs

Standard Five [5] rounds 45 minute long starting @ 8:30 AM, 120 sec maxes.

2 FO flights starting 45 min after end of last round   Event start times will be posted

If tied at end of standard rounds, tie breaker flight time add


Tie breaker as above 10 second motor run timed to the ground

F1S will run in rounds the same as F1H & F1G  ( 10 sec motor run 2 minute max)

Fly off 1 will be 5 second motor run 2 minute max

Fly off 2 will be 5 second motor run 3 minute max

If there is tie after 5 rounds +2 fly offs tie breaker will be used

Entry Fees:

FAI events: FIA, B, C, G, H, J, P, Q; $25 first event, $10 for second  


AMA age juniors: $5/event,



Trophies awarded for 1-2-3 places in F1A, B, C, G, H,  and F1S

Perpetual trophies for F1A, B, C, G, H, J (if they show up at the field!)

Junior Hi-Time Trophy Glider, Rubber


F1J, F1Q  & F1P 1st   only 



AMA & Lost Hills Field Assn memberships are MANDATORY

FAI events run to the 2017 FAI rules




Flight line will move as needed to avoid retrieval from fields

No Moto-flapping

RDT allowed all events.


Contest Director                                                                     

Brian Van Nest

2346 Cheyenne Dr

Bishop CA 93514

Home 760-873-5073

Cell 760-937-0177                                          

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From: clint brooks





How about "Top Dudette" for the ladies that are the top contenders? 


Editor/CD reply


For the Kiwi Cup we give the Jean Batten award for the top Lady flyer in the F1ABCQ events. Jean was a record breaking pilot from the “Golden Age” of aviation and from NZ – opening paragraph from her Wikipedia entry :


Jean Gardner Batten CBE OSC (15 September 1909 – 22 November 1982) was a New Zealand aviator. Born in Rotorua, she became the best-known New Zealander of the 1930s, internationally, by making a number of record-breaking solo flights across the world. She made the first-ever solo flight from England to New Zealand in 1936.


SEN sponsored the Top Dude award for the top flyers across the Feb Feb week (3 contests) in the F1ABCQ classes. Dude  was a California surfing speak term but is now in more general use.  We understand that the term for a lady Dude is a Betty.  We going to give a Top – (as yet un named)  - award for the top performances in F1HGJS across the week. The North American does not include mini events so it will be 2 contests.  We could call that award Top Dudette because Dudette could imply the diminutive of Dude and hence the Mini events or because there are a couple of ladies who do very well in those mini events.  Clearly there is great scope for getting in to big trouble on the PC front here.  The chosen name will be unveiled in due course, but we are keeping Jean Batten for the Ladies award in the Kiwi Cup.

We did observe that Larissa Savukhina has come very close to taking the Top Dude award in F1C






Protest against Bern contest

From: Frédéric ABERLENC 


Hello Roger


Can you publish that on SEN?


This is an official protest against the Bern contest for Ian Kaynes





Hello Ian


I make an official protest against the Bern contest for the F1A day.


For the flight number 5 the organiser has decided to mix a normal flight and a fly off. The max was 4 mn but extended to 7 mn for clear scores.


This is not a FAI rules and was not announced in the document for registration.


So, there are two solutions:


1-Use of 4 mn max for all competitors in round 5 and dont take in account the 3 additional minutes.


2-Cancel the contest in the World cup ranking


We can not accept creation of new rules. There is a sporting code and if it is not respected, it has no more credibility.


Best regards


Frederic Aberlenc



Editor’s Comments:


We understand the reason for Frederick’s protest.  The unusual action of permitting only those clean after the 4 th round to fly additional time in the 5th round makes it not a full 5 round event. Uner normal circumstances a person who had only dropped a few seconds in the first 4 rounds could have over taken a person who did not ‘max’ in the last round.


But :


Having something posted in SEN is not an official protest. We asked Frederick for clarification if that had been sent to Ian Kaynes directly, but Frederick did not reply.


The procedure should be to :


  1. Speak with the CD on the field
  2. Lodge a protest with the CD and Jury
  3. Only after this was done contact the World Cup Adminstrator