SEN 1697

Table of Contents - SEN 1697

  1. Eastern US FF Champs
  2. Hatschek Memorial
  3. USA F1E TS
  4. P is for Power ?
  5. Q


NOVEMBER 10-11 2012

A Cat III America’s Cup event (AAA Contest)

Barron Field Wawayanda NY

EVENTS:  The following events may be flown on either day or both. If you don’t like your results for Saturday, try again on Sunday. High score counts!

                     Cat glider
                     HL glider

                     Dakota: Target Time 40 Seconds – Total error of three flights

1/2A AMA,1/2A classic & 1/2A NosGas combined (different engine runs)

                     ABC AMA, classic &, Nos combined (different engine runs)

                     SAM OT small rubber combined

                     SAM OT large rubber combined

                     NFFS One Design

SATURDAY ONLY EVENTS:       FAI events 5 rounds starting at 10:00 AM and each hour after, 1½ hour overlapping rounds.

                     F1Q; 7 rounds starting at 10:00 AM

SUNDAY ONLY EVENTS: FAI events 7 rounds starting at 8:00 AM and each hour after, 1 ½ hour overlapping rounds

                     F1C & F1P combined

Contest Directors: Dave Lacey 703-370-5708

                              Jim Coffin    703-256-3865

         Because of crop issues the Eastern States is going to do a one-time only switch to Barron Field in NY.                    

Open events: $25 dollars maximum to fly all events. Jrs. And Srs. Fly for free.


Hatschek Memorial

As you all now know, Bob passed away last Saturday night.

This coming Saturday Oct. 20 we are planning two memorial services for Bob
one at Galeville and then one at Wawayanda.

We will be spreading some of Bob's ashes at both locations.

We plan on being at Galeville around 11:30 and Wawayanda around 12:30.
We think Wawayanda would be the best place to come and honor Bob.

Lucy Hatschek would be honored to have you there to share stories and
memories of Bob.

Alan Abriss

USA F1E Selection

Flash by CD Leeper

 F1E TS was a success.
Team: Sifleet, Brocks, Saks. Ioeger alt.

Bluebird Wx both days.  80f temp max.
11 mph max upslope wind velocity.
Maxes were scarce.


P is for Power ?

In recent Junior World Champs the participation in the power class F1P has been dropping off. One of the reasons has been thought to be the F1P rules. Many years ago the Juniors flew F1C and then it was moved to F1J in the interests of safety and costs, probably a good move. For some reason a group in the FAI thought it was too hard and invented a new class, F1P, without building any test models or anything. The process at the time seen a little strange as we were inflicting something unknown on beginners to our sport.

This class had reduced span and reduced functions, both thought to make the class simpler. The reduced span was thought to remove the need for composite construction. Initially people flew the class with airplanes such as the Maverick or a modified Astro Star. It became apparent that with a moderate motor these airplanes flew OK but they could not handle the power of a very strong motor.  To win you needed a strong motor and model that could handle it.

I bought an early F1Q model from Vasily and offered it to the Secors at one point but it was politely rejected because the composite  wing was made with Kevlar not Carbon was not rigid enough for a strong Cyclon. If you read the description of the work that the Secors went through to get Cody’s World Champs airplane developed you will see that it was a non-trivial effort, by very good modelers with some expert advisors. Way beyond the reach of most Juniors and their coaches.

Talking to the current Junior World Champions and his team they tell me that having only one auto surface makes the trimming and transition very hard, the low aspect ratio wing required by the rules introduces stability problems and if the motor is only a few hundred RPM down,   the model will go off pattern. We see that are people who can make them fly, but not very many. 

While you could say back off on the power, but that kind of destroys the idea of a power class. There will be a few people who can make it work but that is discouraging for the rest. A full auto surface model like a F1J is much easier to trim and make a more logical transition to F1C as the young sportsman get older. Maybe they need to re-visit using F1J ?



We got a number of more Q comments. It could be said that the Q commentors are more confused than the Q rules themselves.  The Q-sters were none too happy when those at the FAI , who they felt did not fly the event, changed the rules.  They may be no happier about some of these ideas, given the origins. While one should be open minded to accept suggestions from everywhere it is probably good to understand about electric flying, why people thought the rules should be changed and understand that it is a FAI class. This latter point means that some items, in particular flying in rounds is probably not a candidates for change and the change process is more complicated as it does involve a number of countries.  One thought is if you liked the old Q rules so much you could always define a Nos- Q just like there is  Nos-Wakefield, Classic Glider and Vintage FAI Power and put it on your club's calendar.

We did not publish all the input yet as some of then require work to get into a suitable format and we are very busy at this time.

Roger Morrell