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- California in February
- Team Selection Details 1 - Regional
- Team Selection Details 2 - Suitable site for select contests
- More selection thoughts
- Reminder - Chuck's Poll
- Sites used for the America;s Cup
- Editor/Moderator Comments
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California in February
starting 12 February at Lost Hills, CAthe Isaacson will host the Anselmo Zeri Memorial Dutch World Cup contestthe Pan American will be an open International during the week.The Maxmen will be as usual a USA World Cup contest on the following Presidents day weekendlater in the year there will be 2 World Cup contests in CanadaIn during a one week span in October at Lost Hills there will be :The California Invitational aka Livotto on Columbus dayDuring the week the Bissonette Memorial which includes a Danish World Cup ContestThen in the weekend the Sierra Cup usual a USA World Cup contest
Team Selection - Details - 1
Roger Simpson
Team Selection - Details - 2
Regionals-finals proposal clarifications
A combined regionals contest (1/5) dovetailed into double 7-round Finals (2/2), were the two best scores matter, is the only workable regional selection process. Why?
First, one does not have to fly in any regionals, just do well ant each of the two 7-round contests at the Finals and your on the team!
Second, the five regional contests are distributed across the States over two years, selected by the TSC. Three are fixed: Loss Hills, Muncie and Wawayanda; the others could be in Lost Hills (twice), Vegas, Texas or Colorado. Adding the constraint that scores from up to three declared regional contests matter, one would be a local-contest, the second a drivable-contest and the third a fly-to-contest, for most fliers. Hopefully the out-of-state contests would be those who most of us attend (Lost Hills and Muncie).
Third, all unresolved ties will be settled at the Finals, based on relative positions. For example, id fliers A, B and C are tied in Texas, if A > C > B at the Finals, then A would be first, C second and B third at the Texas regional. Ties are inevitable, as regionals will be restricted to weekends and some fields, such as Muncie and Wawayanda, can’t, hold flyoffs exceeding five minute.
This means that those fly to a regional contest would have to arrive on Friday to do some practicing and probably fly home early Monday, costing two work days. Another implication is that a regional contest at Muncie could not overlap the Nationals (which is a zoo). It would have to be held on the weekend preceding the Nats or on an entirely different weekend.
Forth, doing well at a regional improves one chances of making the team. A win (rank 1) at a regional, will net a team position if the flier also wins one of the 7-round Finals contests. But this honor is shared with five other fliers.
The other regional contest proposals suffer form poor geographical distribution (4 in Lost Hills, two at Muncie), require attending many contests (at least five) and are not dovetailed into the Finals, which is critical to resolving ties. (Note that the Finals are also required by the ‘blue book’.)
Editor clarification - so my understanding is that a person may take part in as many regional contests as they wish? So in my case in increase my likelihood in getting on the team as a semi-geezer professional sportsman I would need to take part in all those regional contests to make sure to get one set of first place points for myself and exclude others such as you from doing same at sub 3 min max field like Waywanda. Actually, I have not see the history of the contests at Waywanda but I did notice a number if 150 sec max rounds at Waywanda earlier in the year - but much better than at Pensacola, for example. Being a hard-core FAI flyer, sorry sportsman from the left hand side of the S*****k line it is my duty to make comments like that just to keep you on your toes and explain why people vote for the status quo.
More Selection thoughts
quality of timekeeping may be low. I asked myself and talked to a few
others. How many times in the last 10-15 years their result at MaxMen
was not fair? I mean not when the flier makes a mistake or the model
fails. Unfair is when for the reasons out of your control you have the
result which you do not deserve. The answer was - none or almost none.
I asked the same guys the same question about the Finals. You know the
answer. Ask yourself these questions.
I am not saying that the timekeeping at the Finals is bad; I say that
the quality of organization and timekeeping at the events like Nats,
Sierra, MaxMen or Eloy is adequate and needs little or no improvement.
Mistakes do happen, but the cost of single mistake is greatly reduced
if it is one out of six events.
Alex Andriukov
Reminder - Chuck's Poll
The sites used for the America's Cup
To help people remember these are the sites used for the Americas Cup. To run a "traditional" finals at a site what is needed besides the site is an adequate organization to run the event.
Eloy, AZ - large - very hot in the summer
Lost Hills, CA - large - hot in the summer
Seguin, TX
Sacramento, CA -small
Muncie,IN - medium
Wawayanda, NY
Pensacola,AL -small
Harlen,TX
Denver,CO - large at altitude affects F1C and some people
Borden, Ont - large, not in the USA, trees
Genesco, NY
Tangent, OR - varies - medium
El Dorado Dry Lake,NV - large - hot and windy in the summer
Palm Bay, FL - medium
Ingleside, MD - small
I put my personal rating and did not include sites I have not flown at, I did put those on my bucket list.
Editor's/Moderator's Note
What has not been addressed is the one advantage of the current finals system is that the timer keepers are assigned by the organizer and there is no question of favouritism or giving the contestant a max when they should not. I do not believe that this can be addressed by no permitting wives or family members to time as regular flying buddies are just as suspect. What might work is requiring that the sportsman use at least 3 different timers in the selection event.?
Roger Morrell