SEN 1270 2008

Table of Contents - SEN 1270

  1. SEN Format
  2. John Lendeman
  3. Mark's View
  4. Death of F1J
  5. Looking for Stjepan Bernfest details
  6. Arizona Contests
  7. Comments from the USA Team Selection Commitee
  8. Improving your best model
  9. Ginger's Comments
  10. Gard Airfoils
  11. Looking for an Old F1C

SEN Format

Repeating what was said a few issues back - sometimes the material that I'm given, while it appears OK in the tools I use does not appear in your e-mail reader, notably Outlook express. And when you send it back to be and say part is missing I can see it perfectly well. While I take care to fix these problems, it is nor apparent what the problems with the errant readers are and I cannot reformat all material.

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John Lendeman

To all who have not yet heard, John Lenderman passed away on Thanksgiving Day after suffering his fourth heart attack. John was one of the finest Wakefield fliers of his time, and he represented the USA on two WC teams as well as serving as team manager. Recently, he continued to exhibit his skills in the indoor arena, flying all manner of rubber powered models and gliders at local meets and at the Kibbie Dome Annual in Idaho.
He was inducted into the NFFS Hall of Fame in 2005.
John was 85 years of age.
A memorial service will be held on Saturday, Dec. 13 at the Baptist Church in John and Goldie's home town of Clatskanie, OR. 
Cards and/or other memorials may be sent to his family at 17086 Hall Rd., Clatskanie, OR 97016.
Please pass this information to others who might not otherwise see it.
Thank you.
Bob Stalick.

Mark's View
Editorial comment: Mark worte this article and I took the unusual step for me and asked him to go back and provide more details of how he got started and a break down of his budget.  This is because Mark is a person who started in free flight right out of the blue and very quickly ended up competeting at a high level.  Mark is the kind of person we need to attract so it is very interesting to figure what he went through.

I continue to read with interest the debate on the new Am-XCup proposal. If
nothing else, more people are starting to think about the future of Free

Once again, I wanted to offer my perspective as a new member of the
community. In particular what it has taken me to fly FAI competitively.

First and foremost it has taken finding someone to be my mentor. Without
Jack Emery, I believe it would have taken me 5 years to get where I am now –
or I would have never got this far and quit, (See note 1).

Second, it has cost an amazing amount of money. I estimate that in the 2.5
years that I have flown FAI I have spent $7,000, maybe more. My spending has
not been extravagant, I don’t have a large number of models and I build my
own Coupes. I also camp on the field and drive to all of the contests, (See
note 2).

Lastly, flying FAI free flight has taken a tremendous amount of time and
energy. I have given up many other activities and have had to balance
work/family with my desire to fly FAI competitions.

I bring up these points to show how difficult it is for a new person to
participate in FAI Free Flight.

Personally, (and I have been hesitant to offer my view), I think we may be
heading in a direction that could break the back of Free Flight. Even though
I love Free Flight, there may come a time that I will not be able to
participate in a sport that costs so much and demands so much.

Drawing an analogy from Formula 1 racing, there was a time that the
technology had reached a point of no return. The costs were so high that
only a few Teams were competitive and many Teams were dropping out. Luckily
for F1, their governing body abated this trend and instituted regulations to
reduce cost and increase participating.

All that said, maybe we need to have several paths to the future of Free
Flight. One path can be the Am-XCup with maximum technology and no limit on
costs. The second path could be more of a one design approach with limits on

To support the Am-XCup path I would propose that a participation fee be
instituted. The fee would serve two purposes, it would make the participants
financially support the program, and it would gauge the interest level of
the program.

To support the “Second Path”, I think it is time to solicit the major model
manufacturers on ideas for simplified models (i.e. one design). Certainly,
it is possible to build F1A and F1B models for around $1,000 and F1C for
around $1,200.

I would also like to have enough contests in the “Second Path” that a
competitor does not have to get on an airplane to have a chance to finish in
the top five.

Promoting the sport should also be part of the “Second Path.” We must have
someone in the Free Flight Community who is a Marketing expert who could
help us. I also think some form of Mentor program should be started. I would
really like to see a brainstorm session on ideas to bring new people into
this fantastic sport. Maybe things like loaner models, flight lessons, and a
guide books could be developed.

Best Regards,

Mark F Belfield

Note 1

I have an aviation background and a model building background, but until
recently no Free Flight background. My journey into Free Flight began
accidentally. I was bored one weekend and decided to stop by my local hobby
shop. I could not decide on what to buy, but saw a Sig Cub and said what the
heck maybe I can make that thing fly.

I took my time building the Cub, but as engineers do, I over-built the
model. With my “improvements” the cub ended up weighing 38 grams.

My first flights were simple glides, and to my amazement the thing actually
flew. I slowly worked my way up and got the model flying for 20-30 seconds.
I was ecstatic. Then one warm afternoon, an amazing thing took place, the
model caught a thermal and not only glided, but it went up. I could not
believe it!

I continued working with the Cub, getting some half minute flights. My
successes with the Cub lead me to the Internet to look for other models to
buy, and to my surprise there were companies dedicated to Free Flight

I spent many hours reading about Free Flight and decided to call up Larry
Bagalini at Star Link Flight-Tech. Larry spent much time talking with me and
helped me purchase a couple of P-30 kits and some accessories to get going.

I struggled with getting my overweight and warped P-30’s to fly, but managed
to get some one to two minute flights. I talked to Larry about my flying and
he recommended that I hook up with some other people who flew Free Flight.
This is how I got Jack Emery’s name.

I contacted Jack through email and he invited me to a contest at Lost Hills.

The morning I arrived at Lost Hills, I parked my truck, got out and just
then an F1C made a smoking hole about 20 feet away. I knew I was going to
like this Free Flight stuff!

I watched Jack and the other competitors fly that day, but I was not
confident enough to fly around the other modelers so I stayed by myself and

After that contest, Jack and I continued our friendship. He and a few other
modelers not only helped answer my questions and encouraged me, but they
also provided me with models and equipment. I will never forget how the
Coupe given to me climbed and circled on its first flight.

With Jack’s help and support, I continued to develop and get better at Free
Flight. I also knew that if I was going to experience some of the best that
Free Flight had to offer, I needed to have a certain amount of commitment on
my part. This I did, by budgeting time, money and effort to get to a level
where the rewards, (satisfaction) were high.

The reason I got started flying Free Flight and why I continue to fly is
that the experience is very visceral – when flying it feels as if I have
found some magic place that elevates my mind, body and spirit. For lack of
other words, it is the Soul of Free Flight.

I will continue to fly Free Flight as long as the satisfaction is there.
Even without contests and the community as such, I might on occasion wander
out onto a dry lake bed and launch my F1B’s hoping to hook a thermal.
However, the flying would not be the same without those people that resonate
the Soul of Free Flight.

Note 2

These are the approximate costs for my 2 ½ year venture into Free Flight.
This does not include the many models and items given to me.

Motorcycle -$2000
Motorcycle carrier - $200
Motorcycle maintenance - $50 per year
A.A. F1B - $2300
A.A Winder - $350
External Winding Equip. - $300
Coupes – 3 x $300
Rubber - $250 per year
Rubber Scale - $75
F1G Winder - $150
Model Box - $150
Trackers - $200
Radio - $100
Yagi - $75
Tools - $200
Model Supplies (Glue, paint etc) - $300
Wind/Temp Gauge - $75
AMA/Lost Hills/NFFS memberships -$100
Contest and Travel Expenses- $100 per day
P-30’s and Early Models - $300

Death of F1J
From: Lee Campbell

F1J died for me when the engine run went to five seconds. I was not terribly competitive before , since I operate Cox powered locked up models.

I realize that modern variable surfaced models will max on a five second run. I am not interested in these types of models. I just run my Tee Dee powered 1/2A/a equipment.

What would it take to get me to fly again ?

Easy: A seven second run for locked up models. leave the run at five seconds for the high tech stuff.

Lee Campbell

Looking for Stjepan Bernfest details

Ronald Borg <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
A friend of mine Lars Larsson has built Stjepan Bernfest A:2 glider that won the world championships 1950 in Sweden in Trollhattan. Unfortunately the drawing used is scaled up from Aeromodeller annual and lacks any info. on the wingprofile used. The model flies well with an assumed chosen profile and has won several oldtimer contests in Sweden. Lars would like to rebuild the wing if he can get detailed information on the original wing profile used. Anyone out there on the world wide web who can help??

Arizona Contests
Roger, for SEN - thanks
On Dec. 6 and 7 we have the Arizona Championships in Eloy and on January 17-19 the Southwest Regionals Model Airplane Championships. To get the 2 fliers for the AZ Champs go to  and click on AZ FF Champs/FAI. For information on the 2009 SWR go to  - please use the Entry Forms to pre-enter.
Motorcycle flapping or circling with a motorcycle under a model will not be tolerated at the two meets. Also, glider towing through the flight lines of other events and through the parking area is not ok. Both are unsafe practices.
Please come and fly with us,  Peter

Comment from the USA Team Selection Commitee

Roger and Jim,

 Yes there are a very few very vocal program participants who are advocating that the way we select our teams be changed and I respect them.

 But for everyone’s information the majority (90%) of the participants nation wide who took the time to reply to our questionnaire where satisfied in general with the current program format. The percentage of participants from Scat’s district who where satisfied was the same, 90%. Maybe they just like the idea of getting together on the same field at the same time under the same conditions to look their friends in the eye and say lets do it.

  I respectfully suggest that the Scat Club take that into consideration when they vote if it’s SCAT’s real goal is to change the way we determine those who will represent the United States at World Championships.

 An after thought. Why, if you really wanted to choose the “best” team, don’t you count all the scores from your designated list of contests? Who needs a second chance? Think about it.


 Thank you for your time,

 Paul Crowley


IMPROVING YOUR BEST MODEL - Or learning from others.

Dear All,   for your newsletters, forums
Working in health care, the benefits of moderate exercise throughout life are all to evident.  Free flight retrieval might actually be the nicest and best exercise of all, but there again I am biased. 
So it may be of interest to all free flight fliers that are some very good articles in the UK's/International January, 2009 edition of "Runner's World" magazine, that readers may find helpful to improve their own model's performance next season.   Yes ignore the stick insect marathon runners, but think about your typical  flying day. 
Not only advice of how to get more out of your own model next season - physically, nutritionally and mental preparation for competition.
But also the importance of not over doing it in the article, "Grave concerns".
Well worth a read.   Worthwhile keeping those fitness levels going over the winter season?  Lighter models fly for longer as well?
web address  available in the States, UK, Spain, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, Brazil, France, Poland, Italy
kind rgds
Editorial Comment ...


I was shocked to receive this communication from you.  It indicates that you have been corrupted by association with us.  The thought that physical preparation as well as the application of dope and tissue as preparation for a model aeroplane event indicates that you are deviating from an aeromdeller to a sportsman and clearly taking the event too seriously.

It is just as well that the SMAE has morphed into the BFMA so it is not longer required for you to keep the English Gentleman's code of amaturism but none the less ....


Biggles' friend Ginger


Gard Airfoils

Hi Arik,
I ask, which Gard airfoil do you refer to?
I believe he had about half a dozen which I think were ordinated
in NFFS Digests around 1970 era.
If you contact Hank Cole I bet he might help.  Probably even on
his PC in file somewhere.
I will have a look...maybe I have fact, I think Vol Libre
did an airfoil book and it had Gard section[s].
John Malkin did an airfoil book and I have a 1980 revised edition.
Yes, just found both books...4 sections shown in each, not
the exact same one,but here is the list:
G6509, G7509, G7510, G7595, G7595, G8910.
Bet Hank has the same books, as he is always best source of
airfoil data, IMO.

Looking for an Old F1C

Has anyone got a cheap and out of date F1C they do not want that I could repair and put back in the air this winter?  I could do with some more exercise and experience. 
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Roger Morrell