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SCAT Electronic News 28 April 2004 issue 870
Table of Contents
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SEN Delay
2004 San Valeer's Annual Results
Von Hafe Cup
Free Flight Forum 2004
Dr. G. BENEDEK
Power book?
Classes of American Vintage Model
Was - Seelig DT Timers
P at the Bissonette
Rolling tubes
Patching Icarex
Concorde's Last Flight
2003 Texas Cup Awards
Old rubber
Q magic
Timing
Thanks
Omarama
SEN Delay
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Because of travel and other commitments SEN has been delayed.
I do have more material that needs sorting before publication ..
real soon now ....
2004 San Valeer's Annual Results
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Cannon Ball Run (best 2 flights,7sec motor) F1A (5)
1 Guy Menanno Heavensent Cyclon.061 13:09 1 Peter Allnutt 1260
2 Lynn Pulley Killer Bee Nelson .36 10:02 2 Mike Thompson 1228
3 Don Zink 1206
BobHunter Memorial Best flight 15sec Motor 4 Pierre Braun 1199
1 T. ThorkildsAstrostar 600 KB 3.25 11:32 5 M. Cowley 1196
2 M. Thompson Satellite 450 K&B 3.25 9:29
3 Lynn Pulley Killer Bee Nelson .36 9:21 F1B (4)
4 Guy Menanno Heavensent Cyclon.061 9:16 1 Alex Andriukov 1260
5 Tom Carman Texan Torp .40 8:23 2 Bob Pieserchio 1226
6 Bob DeShieldSolar K & B 3.5 7:58 3 Jack Emery 1207
4 Al Ulm 970
1/2A Gas (7)
1 Tony RobertsOriginal AME .049 1080 F1C (8)
2 Norm FurutanStarduster X TD.049 1033 1 David Johannes 1374
3 John SparlinMarvel AME .049 610 2 Walt Ghio 1260
4 Ken Kaiser Astrostar TD .049 608 3 Guy Menanno Heaven. 1250
5 Darek Pitre Spacerod TD .049 450 4 Cody Secor Used F1P 1151
6 Doss Porter Rambuncious TD.049 424 5 John Warren 1080
7 D. Rounsavil Maverick TD.049 412 6 Doug Joyce 1020
7 Ken Happersett 900
A Gas (8) 8 Matt Gewain 721
1 M. Thompson Satellite 450 KB 3.25 1547
2 Jeff. EllingSatellite 600 KB 3.25 1216 F1G
3 T. ThorkildsAstrostar 600 KB3.25 856 1 Jack Emery 600
4 Bob DeShieldSolar 600 K & B 3.25 665 2 Bob White 581
5 Darek Petre Spacerod TD .049 515 3 Al Hotard P for J Quinn 514
6 Cody Secor Excelisor Cyclon .061 506
7 D. RounsavilMaverick TD .051 475 F1H
8 John SparlinStarduster ST .19 360 1 Peter Allnutt 600
2 Martyn Cowley 575
B Gas (4) 3 Bob Norton 446
1 Bob DeShieldSolar K & B 3.5 1620
2 T. ThorkildsAstrostar 600 KB 3.5 1436 F1J (6)
3 Jeff EllingtSatellite 600 KB 3.5 1189 1 Jeff Ellington 741
4 Tom Laird Starduster ST .23 449 2 D. Johannes 737
3 Lynn Pulley 733
C Gas (3) 4 John Warren 726
1 Lynn Pulley KillerBee 1440 5 G. Menanno 722
2 Tom Carman Texan Torp 40 992 6 John Sparling 721
3 T. ThorkildsAstrostar K & B 6.5 720 7 Ken Happersett 707
8 Tony Robertson 593
D Gas (2) 9 Del Adams 528
1 Tom Carman Texan Torp 41 720 10D. Rounsaville 360
2 T. ThorkildsAstrostar K & B 7.5 526
1/2A Nostalgia Gas (6)
Nostalgia Wakefield (4) 1 Bob DeShields HH.049 540
1 Bob White Toronian 774 2 Gus Sunburg Killer 506
2 Juan Livotto 465 3 Ken Kaiser Fox .0 493
3 Dick Gildersleeve 462 4 Del Adams 49 473
4 Tom Laird Toronian 270 5 Tom Carman 49 429
6 Larry Bain 49 294
1/4 A Gas (1) Slow Gas (2)
1 Del Adams Zeek TD .020 420 1 Jim Hurst II .35 731
2 Bob DeShieldFrisco Kidde TD .020 420 2 Dave Rounsavi.051 728
3 Mike ThompsoHot Head TD .020 404 3 Lynn Pulley x .29H 710
4 T. Thorkildse19 504
5 Wes Funk .29 497
ABC Nostalgia Gas (6) 6 Norm Furutani TD .05 449
1 Ken Kaiser Hogan Torp GH .29 1260 7 Jeff EllingtoST .19 375
2 Del Adam Fox .15 Crusader 1080 8 Ken Kaiser .19 180
3 Gus Sunberg Spacer K&B GH .23 531 9 Del Adams .15 131
4 Mike ThompsoRamrod Max III .15 513
5 Bob DeShieldFrisco Kidde HH.051 506 High time AMA Gas flown by the designer
6 Jim Hurst Ramrod 750 OS III .29 244 Tony Robertso .049 1080
7 Doss Porter Spacer Fox .19 199
8 Wes Funk Spacer McCoy .29 75 Catapult Glider (5)
1 Ralph Day 341
P-30 2 Tom Laird 297
1 Al Hotard 360 3 Mike Keller 296
2 T.Seacor 298 4 Tim Batiuk 292
3 Tony Robertson 240 5 Norm Furutani 173
Jr P-30 Jr. Catapult Glider (3)
1 Kevin Kusik 288 1 Kevin Kusik 173
2 Deangelo Kusik 198 2 Chucky Keller 83
3 Brianna Keller 44
HLG (1)
1 Jeff Ellington 128
Von Hafe Cup
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Dear Roger
If possible, please put this message on SCAT
Thank you very much
Dear Free Flight friends
In this very moment, we are in the end of April.
The well known von Hafe Cup is in the first days of June 2004. A short time
And we are not receiving the application forms from the free flight fellows
Believe me, you are the supporters for von Hafe Cup. Without your presence,
free flight will loose another international meeting.
Think about and send your booking as soon as possible.
You know that in Portugal you will find friendship, good conditions, good
wine and food.
Tank you very much
Jorge Gustavo
Free Flight Forum 2004
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Guys
Now available from Martin Dilly
116 pages of good stuff. The best issue yet. Martin has excelled himself.
A must for any serious free flight bookshelf.
Contact Martin for details of how to get one delivered to your very door
step.
Well done again Martin.
Michael J Woodhouse, Norwich, UK.
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[ciam-f1] Dr. BENEDEK
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From: REE, Andras
Dear Friends,
I have the very sad obligation to inform you that a great name in aeromodelling,
Dr. Gyorgy (Georges) BENEDEK passed on April 19 in the
83rd year of his fruitful life.
He started his activity at the end of the thirties
in outdoor and indoor free flight,
performed several airfoil tests and designed his world wide famous and used
"B" airfoil series. Some of these airfoils are still used.
He was successful competitor as well, mainly in free flight, but later
he was active
also in control line. He was one time world champion in F1B team, made several
dozens of international and national records, won dozens of national
championships in several classes. One of his international record
(No.103, open glider, height of 2364 m) is still valid since 1948.
He founded in 1957 and led through about 5 years the workshop that has
made the successful MOKI engines (it is still producing big size engines).
Then through about 25 years he was officially forbidden to take part
in our sport and hobby because of political reasons. In 1987, when the later
political changes were already in the air he was rehabilitated
and become active again on the field
of CO2 gas engine development and establishing the F1K class.
He was holder of the FAI-CIAM Antonov Diploma for his technical innovations.
Recently he has produced new engines, made engine tests and preparations for the
coming contest season, still able to run after his CO2 models - of
course somehow slower than before.
He was not an easy personality as one can often learn with great
names. He will be missing forever from the fields, but we all
will remember for him and many of us will use the fruits of his
aeromodelling and engineering activity for a long time.
With sad regards
Dr. Andras Ree
president
Hungarian Association of Modellers
Dr Benedek
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Dear Andras,
I had the privilege to meet Georges BENEDEK at the opening ceremony for
the 1988 Free Flight Championship in Domsod. We could talk for a while,
and we took a picture with him and the French team.
His airfoils are so famous that he will be remembered on every free
flight field at every contest.
On behalf of the FEderation Francaise d'Aeromodelisme and all
French Free Flighters, I would like to express my condolences to all
Hungarian Modellers.
Best regards,
Pierre Chaussebourg
French Delegate and 1st CIAM VP
[ciam-com-l] Dr. BENEDEK
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Dear Andras,
I am so sorry to hear the sad news about Gyorgy Benedek. His work,
especially in the area of airfoils for free-flight aircraft, has been
invaluable to competition flyers in all classes and all over the world and
he will, I know, be much missed.
In 1980 I had the pleasure of interviewing Gyorgy for a US National Free
Flight Society Special Award, recognising the debt that worldwide
free-flight owed him. For him to have been denied the possibility of
competing for political reasons for so long must have been almost
unbearable and many of us were delighted when he made a return to
competitive free-flight some years later.
Please pass on my deepest sympathies to his family and to the Hungarian
model flyers. His work and his airfoils will be his memorial, soaring above
the world's flying fields far into the future.
Best wishes,
Martin Dilly
[ciam-f2] Dr. BENEDEK
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Dear Andras,
Thank you for this news albeit sad news. I was unaware of Dr Benedek's
involvement in control line but as a dabbler in things other than F2 I have bui
lt,
flown and competed (not very well) with towline gliders using his airfoils
which I laboriously plotted from the coordinates he published. I would like to
send the appreciation of the F2 subcommittee and all F2 aeromodellers to Dr
Benedek's family, Hungarian modelers, and you for this gentleman's
accomplishments and contributions and condolences for the loss of this man.
best regards,
Laird (doc)
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Subject : Dr. BENEDEK
Dr. G. BENEDEK
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Guys
A great pioneer has passed on. I saw him in 1958 when he so nearly won the
Wakefield Cup. Who has not used a Benedek 'foil on at least one of their
models. I have used the B-6356-b for many years and found it to be
brilliant.
Michael J Woodhouse, Norwich, UK.
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Dear Andras,
Thank you for the sad news of the death of Dr Georges BENEDEK. As one of
the great names in aeromodelling his memory and his contribution to our
hobby will live on for many years. Please accept the sincere condolences of
the British Model Flying Association to yourself, his family, friends and
the Hungarian Association of Modellers.
Kind regards,
Peter McDermott
United Kingdom Delegate to CIAM
Orbituary George Benedek
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I have been informed that George Benedek, suddenly,
has passed-away at an age of 83 on April 20.
We all know George as a Pioneer for all Aero Modelling, who does not know has l
ine of very good airfoils.
I use one of his airfoils for almost 40 years (B6456F).
George has been active in modelling for whole his life, for the
last years he flew CO2/F1K models.
Today I received his last letter after I knew he died!
I am convinced that I speak for all Aero Modellers That we will miss him and gi
ve our condolences to his family.
Pim Ruyter
Change of address (postal)
my new address is:
Pim Ruyter
Kantemarsweg 36
3871 AP Hoevelaken
Netherlands
New tel. no: +31 (0)33 258 14 59
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Classes of American Vintage Model
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Will someone out there please explain the various classes of American
Vintage Models such as Class and Mulvihul?
Thanks in anticipation.
John
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Power book?
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We lost a good friend with the passing of Keith Hoover. Is anyone
trying to follow in his footsteps and continue writing a book on
current power models? Our sport needs such publications.
Dennis Kargol
Was - Seelig DT Timers
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I'm looking for a couple of the discontinued Seelig single function DT
timers to use in some "vintage" F1A models. Alberto Dona (Hobby Club) sent
me one recently, but I still need more. Doug Galbreath doesn't have them.
Please let me know if you have one that you could sell, or pass this on to
anyone else who might.
Thanks,
Jim Farmer (480) 705-2668 (day)
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Subject : RE: SCAT Electronic news 15 April 2004 issue 869
Can you add this to my email below. Thanks.
Also, for the same "classic" F1A's, I would welcome any suggestions for how
to rig up a simple auto-stab arrangement. Right now the models have circle
tow with zoom rudder, and a stab that stays in glide position. The stab is
pulled down by the DT line that loops over the head of a nylon adjusment
screw in the stab trailing edge. The screw extends through the trailing
edge from the top, with the lower end resting on a small plywood platform on
the boom. What I want is something that will lift or prop up the back of
the stab for tow, like a bunt roller does, but with a simpler mechanism. I
was thinking along the lines of maybe a shim between the plywood platform
and the screw that is somehow pulled out or pivoted out. Or somenting more
bunt-roller like, but still using the same stab pull-down set up, and simple
materials/construction. Why bother you ask? It's because my sons are
trying to learn circle tow with these models for now, and this should make
the towing more fun and less work. Lack of fun can definitely be a deal
breaker with them.
[note we will be releasing a glider version of the single function
Simple magic electronic D/T Timer in the summer]
P at the Bissonette
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Hi Roger,
Please include the below information in your next SCAT web page.
Thanks, Walt
I have decided to add the F1P event to the Bissonnette Memorial. The F1P
event will be held Sunday, May 30th along with the F1J event. Each event
will utilize their own rules. First place awards for Junior / Senior, Open
winners. Contact Walt Ghio @ 209-478-8225, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. if you have
any questions.
Rolling tubes
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Does anyone know of a reliable method of rolling paper tubes, please? I have
been forced into this old means of tube manufacture because I couldn't find
alum tubes for 2mm carbon rod for my latest tailless Cdh. an article on
which will appear in this year's Symposium.
I tried rolling the paper dry for the first revolution then applied the
white glue but they ended with a rather loose fit on the rod. The i tried
rollibng the paper dry for all but the last rev but the same result. Then I
tried rolling them wiith Cyano but again too loose. Then back to the white
glue. I rolled the first two or three revs with the gluue and wauted a
minute or so. The unrolled it and re-rolled this time tryibng to keep the
tube as tight as possible to the rod but the results are inconsistent.
Anyone know any better?
Regards
Mike S
Patching Icarex
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Roger,
I would appreciate hearing from others on how Icarex to Icarex fabric patches
are best accomplished. That is, what adhesive and how much fabric overlap?
It seems a shame to recover a whole panel just because damage to a few ribs
required removal of a portion of the covering. I'm sure that others besides
me would like to know the answer, so please reply to SEN rather directly to me.
Thanks,
Chuck Markos
Concorde's Last Flight
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I found this page on "Good Ones from Mike." Check it out at http://www.ca=
tsprn.com/concordes_last_flight.htm
2003 Texas Cup Awards
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The 2003 Texas Cups Competition Season awards will be presented at the
Spring Cup Contest Saturday night Banquet, (April 24th, 2004)
In addition to the points championships plaques being presented to the First
Place winners, Texas Cup Award Certificates will be presented to the 1st,
2nd and 3rd place finishers.
The following individuals will be rewarded for their efforts:
GAS (F1C-F1J-OP/GAS-STARDUSTER-AMA GAS-NOSTALGIA)
1. Robert Hanford Jr.
2. Faust Parker
3. Jackie Sheffer
RUBBER (F1B-F1G-P30-MULVIHILL)
1. Eddie Vanlandingham
2. Richard Wood
3. Ed Wiley
GLIDER (F1A-F1H-CATAPULT-OHLG)
1. Mike Fedor
2. Steve Spence
3. Mike Reeves
NFFS SPECIAL EVENT - STARDUSTER-X
1. Faust Parker
2. Robert Hanford, Jr.
3. Mike Fedor
P-30
1. Craig Hollier
2. Eddie Vanlandingham
3. Arthur Milam
JR./SR. OVERALL POINTS
1. Colby Fedor
OVERALL POINTS CHAMPION (GAS/RUBBER/GLIDER)
1. Mike Fedor
We are looking forward to a great contest and a great awards banquet. Please
make plans to attend.
Not all of our Texas Cup competitors have e-mail. Please call all of your
fellow competitors and make sure they are aware of this special time. We
don't want anyone to miss out.
Reid Simpson
Texas Cup Administrator
Old rubber
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Hello, John
Received the 130gm of 3/16 rubber OK. Thanks very much.
I have made up one motor to try out. While making it up, it felt quite soft
like the oriiginal 3/16 that I remember buying some many years ago. However,
that rubber over time without any special storing in freezers etc has
gradually become quite powereful so there is perhaps an ageing going on
i.e., the rubber has not been cured enough originally, for it is my belief
that if rubber was produced as accurately as we make our models, then each
batch would be very close to all the others and we would not have to do any
testing! During the life of my old 3/16, I have found that as the rubber
during flying seemed to lose power(the model not climbing as before) then a
re-making of the motor (particularly to tie knots) running it under the hot
water tap for up to 60 seconds appeared to rejuvenate it!!!! The model now
climbing as before!
So much for previous experience. The motor from your package I did not test
indoors. First wind up felt quite strong and the climb OK. But succeeding
flights showed a very flat cruise. I am reserving my judgement at the moment
as the park where I fly has strong vertical currents and these may be
responsible for this lack of climb. However, as I increased the turns up to
150,(50%) there did not seem to be an increasing torque effect, i.e., the
resistance to turning the prop did not increase.
I will therefore on this first motor clean off the lubricant and subject it
to the hot water treatment to see whether that has any effect. Secondly, I
will continue to fly at different times at different locations to find out
if the field is responsible for the low cruise, and keep you posted.
regards
Mike S
Q magic
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Roger,
Tapio Linkosalo has suggested that a digital timer could serve as the pulse
generator to operate the controller for a brushless motor in F1Q. You
replied "No one has approached me about a Black Magic timer for F1Q - we coul
d do that if required ..."
Well, I'm approaching you! If this is a feasible modification for a Black
Magic timer, then I think these would be the requirements:
1) Power for the timer to be taken from the battery pack. Since the pack
voltage might be up to around 12 volts, perhaps a zener diode needs to be
inserted in the timer to prevent overloading it.
2) Ability, via programming, to start the motor, quickly run it up to full
speed, then start the motor run timer as the model is launched, and finally
shut down the motor, perhaps with a run-down period, to assist trimming if
moveable surfaces are not used on the model.
3) A separate timer output, to control a servo to wiggle wings, adjust the
rudder, adjust the stab, etc., if such things are needed, and finally release
the DT.
Is it possible to produce an F1Q-friendly Black Magic timer along these
lines? If F1Q becomes a reality, then such a timer would solve a whole host
of
problems, and BM would have a new market. Lets just hope that brushless
motors will be allowed.
Jack Reid.
[Jack
we could certainly make one - we do have some commitmemts ahead
of you in the queue!! - It is not too different from what we have already]
Timing
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When I used to attend some of the local contests in France in the early
eiiighties, I found that the timing was done in a unique way.When you
registered at control, you received a card to record your score. For each
event, there was a box below the overall score recording billboard. You
then placed your card at the REAR of the cards already there in the box and
waited for the others in front of you to be timed. Only when all were
processed and your card was in the front, was your name called to get ready
to fly.
As can be seen, if you were anxious to fly, you could time some of those in
front of you until there were perhaps two or three waiting. You could then
slip away and get ready so when the call came you could launch straight
away!!! Worked well.
Looked like a good sytem.
Regards
Mike S
Thanks
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Thanks to the sportsmen who gave me donations to SEN on the field
at Omarama
Omarama
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results soon ... but one of the F1B contests was a day with
no thermals , no wind and the first and second models almost mid-airded
5 times and landed only seconds and inches apart..
..................
Roger Morrell1
