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News and Reports 2003
SCAT Electronic News 19 June 2003 issue 804
Table of Contents
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SCAT Mid Summer Madness Contest - SweepetteLee
Aviation Museums - Norvall
Great Grape Gathering at Geneseo - Clemens
Where r those Js - Dorsett
Contest Balsa, anyone? - Moseley
F1P Report - Lorbiecki
SCAT Mid Summer Madness Contest
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Author : sweepettelee-
Hi Roger,
This is to remind all fliers that on June 21-22 at Lost Hills we are
holding the SCAT Mid-Summer Madness FAI contest.
F1G,H,J runs Sat, from 5-7:30PM, no rounds, with FO Sun morning.
F1A,B,C has first 3 rds on Sat, starting at 5:30PM, 45 min ea/180s maxes.
Then on Sun, starting at 6:30AM the Tie-breaker/Champagne FO flights
will be held, with 10 min windows and 10 min gaps to each event.
Rd 4 will be from 7:30-8:15AM with extended maxes[A=240s, B&C=300s],
then the last 3 rds will be 180s maxes, like the first 3 rds.
Trophy presentation at 10:45AM...
then you get to go home...or fly some more, if you need more fun!
CD is Hector Diez[really Susana]
Cost: A fiver for the Minis and a measly 10-spot for ABC entries,
with all profits to be donated to our FAI Team Fund.
questions? Call Hector at a new no: 805-238-3538
Lee Hines, Asst CD
Aviation Museums
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Author : iflyf1b-
We just got back from a drive up to Seattle, Wa. for some high school
graduations. Along the way we stopped at several aviation museums that were
absolutley amazing. First stop was Tillamook Air Museum which is right off of
Highway 101 along the Oregon coast. This is a blimp hanger like Moffett Field.
It has been preserved into a museum housing 50 + flying aircraft from WW1 on.
All the aircraft are kept in flying conditon and are often out flying at
various airshows. Our next stop was Boeing Museum of Flight. This was a great
static display of many aircraft from the wars and racing era. Of perticular
interest was the original Boeing building called the Red Barn. This was truly
a walk into the first steps of aviation. There is currently construction going
on that will add 23 more WW1 and WW2 type aircraft. There are also simulators
that are very realistic in flight simulation. Also the walk through Air Force
One was very cool. The last stop for us was the best. As we got into
McMinnville we passed a row of trees. I could see a large glass front building
sitting off by itself. As we drove towards the building you could see the
largest aircraft ever built majestically displayed "The Spruce Goose". For
those of you who have not seen this aircraft it is a spine tingler. The mere
size alone is incredible. Under the wings of the Goose are several vintage
aircraft all in flying trim. This museum called Evergreen Aviation Museum is
spectacular. As we walked around the Goose it amazed me on the size of this
aircraft over and over again. The curators of the museum are about 4 to 6
weeks away from making it possible to walk inside the Goose and see the
construction. I know we will be going back. There is video available and
showing at the museum that documents the building, flying , and travel of the
Spruce Goose. Attached is a photo I took showing the front of the Goose and
the family just to give you an idea of the enormous size of this aircraft.
So in closing there is an Americas Cup in Oregon I believe August 23 and 24th.
So if aviation history is your bag of tea you should go visit these museums.
I believe its about a 2 hour drive from the field to McMinnville and well
worth the drive.
Thermals Larry Norvall
Great Grape Gathering at Geneseo
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The second annual Can-Am Great Grape Gathering contest will be held at the
Geneseo, NY, airport on June 27-28-29. Geneseo is located about an hour's
drive south of Rochester, NY, just west of I-390.
This contest, held in Canada for many years, gets is unique name from the
bottles of fine Candian wines that are offered as trophies. This is a
Canadian affair, with my club, the Western New York Free Flight Society,
playing host and providing the required AMA sanction. Our Canadian friends
are members of SAM 86 who lost their field a year ago and asked if they
could transfer their annual "GGG" to the Geneseo field where we normally
hold a club meet in June (this is also the site of the annual Flying Aces
Club national meets). Of course we said yes, and seemingly a new Can-Am
tradition was born. Jim Anderson is the contest manager, while Jim Moseley
will be the FF contest director. Roy Bourke will CD the RC portion of the
contest. Representing the WNYFFS, Brooks Goodnow will be overall CD.
Here is the event schedule:
Friday, June 27: 1/2 A Nostalgia, .020 Replica/1/4 A Nostalgia combined,
P-30, Cloud Tramp, HL/CL Glider Combined, and FAC Embryo Endurance.
Saturday, June 28: FAC OT Electric Gas Replica, Bob Gordon Trophy, A-B-C
Nostalgia gas, SAM Commercial Rubber, Small Rubber Fuselage (Cabin) (up to
150 sq. in.), Large Rubber Stick (over 150 sq. in.), HL/CL Glider combined.
Sunday, June 29: Slow Power Gas (up to 0.15), Small Rubber Stick (up to 150
sq. in.), Large Rubber Fuselage (over 150 sq. in.), FAC Golden Age Civil
Scale, Open Rubber (Mulvihill).
So, you can see there's something for just about every free flight flier. A
very tasty added feature is the Saturday night barbeque at the field for a
mere $9.00 in advance or $10 at the field.
If you'd like more information on entry fees, specific events, or other
details, contact Jim Anderson at:
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And don't forget: We'll be doing it again at the Geneseo field on August
15-16-17 for the 34th annual Empire State Free Flight Championships. There
will be lots of rubber, power, FAC events, and a complete America's Cup
scedule at a fine flying site. Let me know if you want information on this
one.
Bob Clemens
President, Western New York Free Flight Society
Where r those Js
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The address specified in your e-mail is incorrect.
The correct URL is http://www.gregorie.demon.co.uk/freeflight/f1j/
You may want to notify receipients of this e-mail of the correct URL.
Michal Dorsett
Contest Balsa, anyone?
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Author : This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
I am in touch with a new company in California which is now selling =
balsa on Ebay, both 'regular' and 4-6lb 'contest grades' -the latter is =
selling like crazy!
The wood is also now available to direct sales at a substantially =
discounted price, subject to a minimum order in the $20-$25 range, plus =
S&H at cost; ... Fedex is bringing my order at this moment.
Prices for the contest stock are as follows - 'regular' is cheaper, of =
course - and for full details of the service offered (and the whole =
range of products) contact This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. . I have no =
connection with this business other than an acquaintanceship with the =
owner, who has granted me permission to pass prices/details on to other =
modellers. Mention SCATNews and/or my name if contacting Katmar as a =
reference....
1/16 x 3 x 36 .52
1/8 x 3 x 36 .75
3/32 x 3 x 36 .62
1/16 x 4 x 36 .80
1/8 x 4 x 36 1.12
3/16 x 4 x 36 1.29
Jim Moseley
F1P Report
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As one of those that has been quite vocal (at times) about the F1P event
for the juniors, I thought the readers may want to hear what progress we
have had on the F1P front. We built a quicky version with a carbon fiber
molded frontend, carbon/aluminum tail boom, and a Cyclon with a
Verbitsky folder. The wing has geodetic construction, with a carbon
capped spar and the ribs perpindicular to the trailing edge are carbon
capped. The trail edge is carbon and the leading edge is balsa. It is a
two piece wing, covered with Icarex. The stab has a carbon spar and
simple diagonal ribs behind the spar and false ribs forward. Total
weight was 280 grams, ready to go, with a Seelig.
John did some test gliding and it has a very nice, floating glide. It is
possibly better than one of our typical F1J models, since we have the
same weight but 70 square inches more. But, this is where the troubles
started. After the test gliding, we found that the difference between
glide and our preset power setting was over 1/8" (first problem!). We
set the model up with about a 1 1/2 second engine run and slow DT (5
seconds)-second problem. The engine is a new Cyclon, turning 28K+ on the
Verbitsky. John tested all systems and they worked, so it was time for
the first test flight. After firing it up, he launched it and it
accelerated quite rapidly. However, it started to go over the top
(remember problem #1). It arched over quite rapidly and found the
taxiway with the engine just stoppping and too long a DT.
Well, after examining the wreckage, we found a crushed leading edge on
both tips, a shattered frontend, and minor tailboom damage. After
reviewing the damage at home over a glass of fine wine (in a water
glass, from a box!) it was determined that we could repair it. We had
molded up a spare frontend last winter, so that was easy. The wing
damage happened primarily on the non- carbon capped ribs. This proved
that the time to cap the ribs would have been time well spent! So, after
3 days or so of work, we now have a fixed F1P ready to go again.
What did we learn? First, with the power we have, these models will be
fast. It is not what was intended, at least with a Cyclon (OK Jim
Haught, maybe a KC would also provide the same excitment!). These things
will be really exciting with a 10 second run. The glide should be very
good, even with the 6.5% thick flat bottomed airfoil that we have. It
will not be a beginner's model. John is of the opinion that the F1P may
out perform a good F1J plane. So, with everything back together, we will
be testing again at Muncie this weekend. Hopefully we can keep it off
the ground long enough to get some more data. as we gain more
experience, we will keep everyone informed.
John and John Lorbiecki
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Roger Morrell
