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SCAT Electronic News 10 August 2003 issue 819
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Perris Update
Wing Wake: Up or Down? - SweepetteLee
FFWC souvenirs? Deloach
Voros Jeno F1
9-Aug-03 2003 - 2004 Junior FAI FF Team Selection
Icarex waterproof? - Abad
2003 Nats F1B scores - Perkins
818
really down and dirty with T tails. - Skykeing
I will Find lift again! - Squatter II
Perris Update
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The crops have been harvested.
FW: Wing Wake: Up or Down?
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Hi Tony,
In response to your query in SEN, years ago in the Digest, Fred
Pearce did a piece showing that planes in our RE # region sink
faster in glide than the wake drops, hence a stab that starts
below the wake, stays below it during stalls.
I made a Nordic in the 70s with a high tail[wing at 10 degrees,
stab at 7 degrees, relative to boom].
It glided fine until disturbed[by lift or anything]then it fell
out of the air, like a wounded duck.
Finally I redid the angles to 3 degrees in the wing, 0 stab.
It then flew normally and was a fine thermalling glider, in fact,
I used it to win a team spot at 1984 Finals.
--- Lee Hines
FFWC souvenirs?
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Did anyone pick up some extra stickers or t-shirts from Hungary they would
be willing to sell me?
Thanks in Advance,
Don DeLoach
MMM, Colorado
Voros Jeno F1
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F1A
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Pos. Name Country 1 1+ 2 3 4 5 6 7 Fly-off Sum
I. II.
1 Mikhail Kochkarev RUS 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 321 1,881
2 Yuriy Titov RUS 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 312 1,872
3 Per Findahl SWE 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 310 1,870
4 Ivan Treger SVK 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 309 1,869
5 Robert Hellgren SWE 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 299 1,859
6 Cenny Breeman BEL 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 267 1,827
7 Artemenko Yaroslav UKR 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 197 1,757
8 Viktor Stamov UKR 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 285 1,545
9 Ivan Bezák SVK 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 284 1,544
10 Kerner Ferenc HUN 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 282 1,542
11 Mikhail Kosonozkhine RUS 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 280 1,540
12 Székelyhidi Attila HUN 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 279 1,539
13 Szentpéteri István HUN 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 277 1,537
14 Frederic Aberlenc FRA 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 275 1,535
15 Anthony Ball GBR 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 273 1,533
15 Christoph Bachmann SVI 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 273 1,533
17 Peter Aanen NED 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 264 1,524
18 Pieter de Boer NED 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 261 1,521
18 Mikael Holmbom SWE 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 261 1,521
20 Jes Nhyegn DEN 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 259 1,519
20 Alejandro Cesar Neyr ARG 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 259 1,519
20 Vologyev Szergej RUS 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 259 1,519
23 Branko Rozman SLO 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 250 1,510
24 Gerhard Aringer AUT 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 248 1,508
24 Shmulik Kuflik ISR 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 248 1,508
24 Yuriy Evdokimov RUS 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 248 1,508
27 Halbmeier Dirk GER 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 1,500
27 Rene Limberger LUX 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 1,500
29 Peter Nosko SVK 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 238 1,498
30 Bo Nyhegn DEN 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 235 1,495
31 Zbigniew Lenartowitz CAN 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 233 1,493
32 Fuss Helmut AUT 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 231 1,491
33 Stefan Rumpp GER 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 228 1,488
34 Henning Nyhegn DEN 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 227 1,487
34 Francois Moreau FRA 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 227 1,487
36 Stranieri Marco ITA 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 226 1,486
37 Peter Alnutt CAN 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 222 1,482
38 Manfred Grueneis AUT 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 219 1,479
39 Josef Gablas CZE 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 218 1,478
39 Franz Wutzl AUT 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 218 1,478
41 Petri Kuikka FIN 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 213 1,473
42 M.L.van Dijk NED 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 204 1,464
43 Lior Bachar ISR 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 203 1,463
44 Laurent Thevenon FRA 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 196 1,456
45 Roman Ceresnik SVK 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 184 1,444
46 Ján Letko SVK 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 89 1,349
47 Bohuslav Ryz CZE 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 65 1,325
48 Abad Javier ESP 180 60 180 180 180 180 180 180 48 1,308
49 Kimmo Kulmakko FIN 180 58 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
50 Andreas Rink GER 180 53 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
51 Mihály Balázs HUN 180 51 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
52 Jurgen Maassen NED 180 49 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
53 Frederic Dujardin FRA 180 47 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
54 Wolfgang Gerlach GER 180 43 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
55 Anders Persson SWE 180 40 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
56 Kéry László HUN 180 36 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
56 Deniz Varhos SWE 180 26 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
56 Jan Vosejpka CZE 180 26 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
59 Rudolf Holzleitner AUT 180 11 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
60 Brussolo Vittorio ITA 180 2 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,260
61 Mati Moskovitch ISR 180 60 180 180 179 180 180 180 1,259
62 John Carter GBR 170 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,250
63 Vin Morgan AUS 180 60 167 180 180 180 180 180 1,247
64 Milos Hudcovic SVK 180 28 180 180 180 164 180 180 1,244
65 Alexandre Zavodszky AUT 180 51 180 180 180 180 162 180 1,242
66 Jari Valo FIN 180 60 180 180 180 158 180 180 1,238
67 Matti Lihtamo FIN 180 60 180 180 155 180 180 180 1,235
68 Nótáros Attila HUN 180 60 158 180 180 180 180 175 1,233
69 Oleh Pshenychnyy UKR 180 48 150 180 180 180 180 180 1,230
70 Gobbo Massimiliano ITA 180 60 163 180 180 180 180 166 1,229
71 Evgeny Kantipaylo UKR 180 60 148 180 180 180 180 180 1,228
71 Gottfried Bachmann SVI 180 60 180 180 180 148 180 180 1,228
73 Osman Sevgi TUR 143 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,223
74 Lauri Kutvonen FIN 180 60 140 180 180 180 180 180 1,220
75 Phil Mitchel AUS 180 60 162 180 155 180 180 180 1,217
75 Thomas Weimer GER 137 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,217
77 Nótáros Mihály HUN 134 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,214
78 Chris Edge GBR 155 0 170 180 180 164 180 180 1,209
79 Krasznai Dávid HUN 158 0 146 180 180 180 180 180 1,204
80 Win Bellen NED 120 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,200
81 Peter Buchwald DEN 118 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,198
82 Luis Bautista NED 0 60 180 164 180 180 133 180 1,197
82 Matthew Cuthbert GBR 180 60 180 173 124 180 180 180 1,197
82 Ingolf Steffensen NOR 180 60 180 180 180 117 180 180 1,197
85 Kertes István HUN 117 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,197
86 Siegfried Limberger LUX 114 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,194
87 Sergey Makarov RUS 180 60 180 180 180 180 112 180 1,192
88 Tomas Sedlacek -j SVK 180 60 180 180 180 110 180 180 1,190
89 Esa Lamberg FIN 180 60 123 164 180 180 180 180 1,187
90 Guti József HUN 166 0 180 176 180 180 180 122 1,184
91 Miroslav Bucko SVK 100 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,180
92 Andrew Crisp GBR 132 0 179 180 180 180 180 148 1,179
92 Oleg Stoev UKR 118 0 180 180 180 180 180 161 1,179
94 Anne Besnard FRA 180 60 180 98 180 180 180 180 1,178
95 Hans Schoder SVI 96 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,176
96 Farkas László CAN 93 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,173
97 Polyaev Valeri RUS 180 45 180 91 180 180 180 180 1,171
98 Pekka Rahkala FIN 180 60 180 180 90 180 180 180 1,170
99 Stephen Reuss GER 122 0 180 180 180 180 148 180 1,170
100 Vegar Nereng NOR 180 60 128 180 180 180 139 180 1,167
101 Frank Adametz GER 166 0 180 180 100 180 180 180 1,166
102 Domokova Gabriela-ju SVK 180 60 180 180 131 180 180 125 1,156
103 Yalcin Olgum TUR 180 35 180 180 180 180 76 180 1,156
104 Takács Tibor HUN 103 0 176 180 156 180 180 180 1,155
105 Andres Klementsen NOR 75 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,155
106 Rob Wallace NZL 180 60 180 180 180 139 112 180 1,151
107 Vidensek Tone SLO 180 60 180 180 68 180 180 180 1,148
108 Pavel Marachovsky UKR 180 60 180 180 180 62 180 180 1,142
109 Gregorie Martin GBR 174 0 180 180 145 180 97 180 1,136
110 Viesturs Berzins LAT 122 0 113 180 180 180 180 180 1,135
111 Antoon van Eldik NED 180 4 180 180 180 180 180 53 1,133
112 Martin Dilly GBR 53 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,133
113 Ron Assmuss GER 180 60 144 160 105 180 180 180 1,129
114 Sergio Tomelleri ITA 180 60 180 180 128 136 142 180 1,126
115 Laura Leino FIN 180 14 112 180 102 180 180 180 1,114
116 Guntis Kulikovskis LAT 180 60 180 180 135 173 180 83 1,111
117 Miroslav Pitlanic SVK 159 0 180 180 51 180 180 180 1,110
118 Elena Chernih UKR 180 51 114 180 180 180 88 180 1,102
119 Roland Koglot SLO 180 60 180 180 180 180 21 180 1,101
120 Bram van de Kerkhof NED 21 0 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,101
121 Francesco Perbellini ITA 180 60 114 180 180 102 163 180 1,099
122 Jozef Keselák SVK 58 0 139 180 180 180 180 180 1,097
123 Milan Minarik SVK 180 60 72 113 180 180 180 180 1,085
124 Képíró László HUN 70 0 108 180 180 180 177 180 1,075
125 Bill McGarvey NZL 180 60 180 180 180 180 147 26 1,073
126 Alain Delassus FRA 180 60 180 180 167 180 117 48 1,052
127 Anton Necemar SLO 180 1 58 180 76 180 180 180 1,034
128 Christian Gugger SVI 155 0 180 180 124 96 110 180 1,025
129 Nagy Csaba HUN 180 60 122 74 180 175 180 87 998
130 Ismail Keskin TUR 180 3 180 180 95 51 127 180 996
131 Juha Heikkinen FIN 120 0 180 110 180 44 160 180 974
132 Steen Agner DEN 180 30 108 180 0 180 116 180 944
133 Eyal Galor ISR 180 60 180 180 180 154 0 0 874
134 Gabriel Hudák SVK 124 0 78 180 180 82 180 42 866
135 Davis Berzins LAT 180 49 38 180 132 112 126 0 768
136 Molnár Miklós HUN 180 60 180 60 86 158 0 0 664
137 Halász Sz.István HUN 180 60 180 151 112 0 0 0 623
138 Mike McKeever USA 180 60 143 180 0 0 0 0 503
139 Csányi József HUN 180 12 180 0 0 0 0 0 360
140 Vasas György HUN 180 47 91 0 0 0 0 0 271
141 Alejandro Bongiovann ARG 180 33 55 0 0 0 0 0 235
142 Toomas Aavik EST 180 60 0 0 0 0 0 0 180
143 Brian van Nest USA 180 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 180
144 Robert Baric CRO 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Subject :Voros Jeno F1B
B
Pos. Name Country 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1+ Fly-off Sum
I. II.
1 Alexander Andriukov USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 445 2,005
2 Pim Ruyter NED 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 441 2,001
3 Ivan Kolic YUG 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 422 1,982
4 Blazevich Yuri UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 399 1,959
5 Igor Vivchar UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 354 1,914
6 Anselmo Zeri NED 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 353 1,913
6 Evgueny Gorban UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 353 1,913
8 Teppo Sarpila -jun- FIN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 311 1,871
9 Don Blackam AUS 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 310 1,870
9 Jensen Blake USA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 310 1,870
11 Klaus W.Salzer AUT 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 309 1,869
12 Terry Bond AUS 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 280 1,840
13 Andreas Gey GER 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 267 1,827
14 Mike Evatt GBR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 299 1,789
15 Bernd Silz GER 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 295 1,555
16 Vladislav Urban CZE 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 292 1,552
17 Linc Vincent NZL 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 263 1,523
18 Meusburger Harald AUT 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 260 1,520
19 Igor Zilberg GER 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 258 1,518
20 Richard Blackam AUS 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 232 1,492
21 Váradi Mihály HUN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 230 1,490
22 Seref Yetis TUR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 166 1,426
23 Krasznai József HUN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 103 1,260
24 Kadir Baran TUR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 90 1,260
25 Walter Liberatore ITA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 45 1,260
26 Daniel Arias ARG 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 36 1,260
27 Schmelter Ulrich GER 176 180 180 180 180 180 180 1,256
28 Ismet Yurtseven TUR 180 180 180 172 176 180 180 80 1,248
29 Alexander Shebalkov RUS 180 180 180 180 167 180 180 120 1,247
30 Henk van Hoorn NED 180 180 180 180 180 180 161 120 1,241
31 Oleg Kulakovsky UKR 180 180 180 148 180 180 180 120 1,228
32 Janne Isotalo FIN 180 180 180 180 158 180 169 82 1,227
33 Mike Woolner GBR 180 180 180 180 146 180 180 120 1,226
34 Heiko Helmbrecht GER 180 180 170 156 180 167 180 120 1,213
35 Sokolic Danko CRO 180 180 180 126 180 180 180 35 1,206
36 Leigh Morgan AUS 180 180 180 179 180 122 180 120 1,201
37 Frans Voskens NED 180 180 180 180 180 120 178 79 1,198
38 Serge Tedeschi FRA 180 180 180 114 180 180 180 120 1,194
39 Wagner Horst AUT 126 164 180 180 180 180 180 1,190
40 Viktor Gopp GER 180 180 180 107 180 180 180 60 1,187
41 Erik Crins NED 152 180 180 180 180 180 131 1,183
42 Roel Lucassen NED 180 168 180 180 180 90 180 120 1,158
43 Juhani Isotalo FIN 180 173 126 180 180 180 130 120 1,149
44 Ray Jones GBR 180 180 180 100 104 180 180 90 1,104
45 Tomljanovic Vinko CRO 164 180 169 180 180 87 136 1,096
46 Tomljanovic Ivan -jun CRO 180 74 147 180 118 180 180 28 1,059
47 W.J. Feijth NED 180 110 180 180 149 78 180 42 1,057
48 Ismail Sarioglu TUR 180 180 180 168 128 19 180 5 1,035
49 Somogyi Ottó HUN 180 120 180 134 66 180 173 120 1,033
50 Valentin Savov BUL 180 175 180 70 180 147 93 108 1,025
51 Daniel Billam -ju GBR 175 177 102 180 180 4 156 974
52 David Ackery NZL 180 180 180 180 113 64 0 44 897
53 Sergey Molchanov UKR 180 173 180 180 180 0 0 120 893
54 Ladislav Horak CAN 180 180 180 160 0 0 0 120 700
55 Hans Schoder SVI 180 180 180 180 87 0 0 105 627
56 Guy Buisson FRA 180 180 180 69 0 0 0 79 609
57 Aleksey Bukin UKR 180 180 180 0 0 0 0 17 540
58 Naci Bitik TUR 180 180 172 0 0 0 0 60 532
59 Ari Kutvonen FIN 180 172 0 0 0 0 0 352
60 Pera Kolic YUG 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
60 Milan Jaksic YUG 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
60 Starostenko Viktor UKR 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
F1C
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Pos. Name Country 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1+ Fly-off Sum
I. II.
1 Mikhailenko Alexandre RUS 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 381 1,941
2 Atae Yamasaki JPN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 267 1,827
3 Uri Zilberstein ISR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 300 211 1,771
4 Sergei Katyba UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 299 1,559
5 Aleksandrov Vjacheslav UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 283 1,543
6 Mario Rocca ITA 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 120 250 1,510
7 Vladimir Sutchev UKR 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 67 1,260
8 Patócs László HUN 180 180 180 180 180 180 180 30 1,260
9 Peter Maurer SVI 180 180 180 180 163 180 180 120 1,243
10 Robert Hegenbart AUT 180 180 180 158 180 180 180 115 1,238
11 Truppe Reinhard AUT 180 138 180 180 180 180 180 120 1,218
12 Szécsényi János HUN 180 180 180 180 180 132 180 120 1,212
13 Roberts Brivnieks LAT 180 180 180 180 180 180 112 39 1,192
14 Magyari Levente HUN 180 117 180 180 180 180 162 39 1,179
15 Micel Reverault FRA 180 180 180 180 180 98 180 120 1,178
16 Szabó Róbert HUN 180 180 180 180 180 40 180 40 1,120
17 Timo Nuranen FIN 180 180 180 180 180 180 0 93 1,080
18 Zsengellér Gábor HUN 180 180 180 180 150 37 146 120 1,053
19 Josef Blasek CZE 180 180 180 56 123 180 143 16 1,042
20 Roberto Guadagno ITA 180 180 180 0 0 0 0 120 540
21 Henning Nyhegn DEN 0 0 0 180 173 180 0 533
22 Eugeny Verbitsky UKR 180 180 171 0 0 0 0 120 531
23 Ilmars Breidaks LAT 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 4
9-Aug-03 2003 - 2004 Junior FAI FF Team Selection
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F1A Total
Total Nats preNats Nats Am Cup
Point Points Points
Name Win
Secor, Tyler 3 385.6 192.4 193.2 Pts
1932 752 1180 Tm
Parker, Dallas 6 361.8 161.8 200.0 Pts
1624 595 1029 Tm
Coussens, Ben 2 385.8 185.8 200.0 Pts
1865 605 1260 Tm
Barron, Peter 4 374.0 185.8 188.2 Pts
1865 605 1260 Tm
Revkin,Josh 9 221.4 151.6 69.8 Pts
1523 550 973 Tm
Thompson, Ben 5 362.4 182.4 180.0 Pts
1832 604 1228 Tm
Johnson, Ben 11 95.2 95.2 Pts
955 278 677 Tm
Avalone, Michael 7 291.8 191.8 100.0 Pts
1925 685 1240 Tm
Coste, Jonah 10 145.6 41.4 104.2 Pts
416 416 Tm
Bauer, Brian 1 400.0 200.0 200.0 Pts
2008 796 1212 Tm
Jones, Kyle 8 272.3 131.8 140.5 Pts
1324 338 986 Tm
Un Offical analysis
The first place with a perfect score Brian Bauer cannot be beaten.
Avalone can move on to the team if he gets a good [close to perfect]
Am Cup Score. Secor can overtake Coussens if he improves
his Am Cup score by one point! Barron can improve his placing by improving
him America's cup score but it requires others to not get good America's Cup
scores to make the team.
F1B
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Total Nats preNats Nats Am Cup
Point Points Points
Jr E
Name Win
Scheiman, Phillip3 383.8 183.8 200.0 Pts
1883 650 1233 Tm
Gunder, Taylor 1 398.4 200.0 198.4 Pts
2048 837 1211 Tm
Jones, Ryan 4 376.8 176.8 200.0 Pts
1810 803 1007 Tm
Radziunas,Sarah 2 389.4 195.0 194.4 Pts
1997 796 1201 Tm
Coste, Nathan 7 123.8 0.2 123.6 Pts
2 2 Tm
Shailor, Paul 6 200.8 101.2 99.6 Pts
1037 1037 Tm
Simon, Evan 5 208.7 113.0 95.7 Pts
1157 580 577 Tm
Un Offical Analysis - Top 3 places Gunder, Radziunas and Sheiman
cannot be beat by someoen getting more America's Cup Points.
F1J
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Total Nats preNats Nats Am Cup
Point Points Points
Name
Gunder, Austin 2 392.0 192.0 200.0 Pts
1451 851 600 Tm
Lorbiecki, John 1 397.5 200.0 197.5 Pts
1511 911 600 Tm
Schelp, Jon 3 243.3 172.8 70.5 Pts
1306 706 600 Tm
Barr, Amanda 5 147.1 77.2 69.9 Pts
584 584 Tm
Secor, Cody 4 166.2 166.2 Pts
1255 655 600 Tm
Un Offical Analysis - Top 2 places Lorbiecki and Gunder,
cannot be beaten by someone getting more America's Cup Points.
The other places can change although it would be hard for Barr
to overtake Schelp or Secor, if that latter got good Am Cup Scores.
Icarex waterproof?
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Icarex waterproof?
During F1A day at the World Champs it was raining until noon. I flew a
short modern model, covered with Icarex and 1 coat of 50% dope.
Very soon water filtered below the covering all over the dbox area.
Although model was flying ok, all that extra weight could be avoided.
Makarov told me they had no water at all into the Icarex covering, a new
type, not doped, coming from Japan.
I would like to know other people experiences during the day and how
Icarex worked for them or how to avoid that problem.
Just in case we will get rain during next Max Men ;-)
Javier Abad
2003 Nats F1B scores
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Roger
Although AMA was offered the correct F1B scores, their software (or Web page
requiremeents) allows posting only a single flight score for a contestant,
thus resulting in total expressed scores for 3rd and 4th places being higher
than for 1st and 2nd because 3rd and 4th were settled by continued flyoffs.
Use of asterisks with footnote explanations was also suggested but not done.
The scores will be posted soon in correct format on the NFFS web site
freeflight.org/
For now the scores were:
Charlie Jones 1260+289
Robert Biedron 1260+249
Andrew Barron 1260+200+300+360
Ed wiley 1260+200+300+242
David Ellis 1243
Eddie Avallone 1242
Philip Scheiman 1233
Tom Ioerger 1215
Taylor Gunder 1211
Sarah Radziunas 1201
Hope this helps.
Bob Perkins
818
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Issues 818 was labelled 817 and 817 was labelled 816.
There were 2 816 issues ....
really down and dirty with T tails.
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> "T" tails
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>
> In response to (Down with T-tails). I thought the idea behind the "T"
> tail was to place the stabilizer high enough to fly in clean air. Are
> you suggesting that the air flow from the trailing edge of the wing
> flows upwards?? The stall problem with the 30:1 Nordic sounds more like
> a stability problem in the design of the airplane, not the position of
> the stab.
> Tony Robertson
Hi, Tony.
you are probably right about the 30-1 Nordic...I just used the occasion to
spout off on the subject of T tails.
As I mentioned I have tried many T tail variations on... Hmm..
Mentholies?( I
guess that is what Bogie would preferably call them ) over the years. The
one ship that gave me the most trim fits had a low wing and a T tail. The
ongoing
problem was it always cranked off to one side or the other -- which didn't
fit in well with my new-fangled bunt system. Putting the wing and stab on a
conventional fuselage with pylon turned it into a good flyer..
When I read Hoffman's bit on the advantage of having a preferable slope on
the axis
of the mean moment of inertia the light bulb went off in my head. I had
built a creature
that was unstable by nature. The T tail was part of the problem...not
because of the
wake especially but because it help screw up the proper slope of the axis.
Incidentally, There is an article on the position of stabs in an NFFS
Symposium circa
early 1990s. That is where I picked up most of my information on the
relationship
between the stab and an impinging wing wake.
If I understood it originally, and now remember correctly, there are two
"streams"
of air involved. One is the downwash, which of course goes down as you
suggested.
The second is the wing's wake which trails off the wing at a tangent
according to the
relative wind. The aspect that caught my attention was understanding where
the dirty air
went when a ship did a bunt. An impinging wake could make for some recovery
problems.
All that said, the biggest pain I have with the T tail configuration is that
it snaps booms
when the fuse stops quick and the stab keeps going. I now mount my stabs
right on the
blunt end of the tail boom. They can't snap anything in two...although at
the end of a
100 mph vertical power dive the inertia might telescope the fuse down to
half its
original length. Hmmm..? HEY! A flying wing! (just kidding, mike)
Billous G
Hey! How about dem Folders! And dos Flappers!
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I will Find lift again!
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I am recovering from what could possibly have been the contest
that ended my total participation from free flight. I went to the hotel
on a day I received 4th place at the Nationals and I was in tears, but
not of joy this time. That night I came to grips with the fact that all
the hard work, the passion, and the traveling was all for not as I became
acquainted with the fact that I was not going to be going to Europe on
the jr team as I had so badly hoped and yearned for. I did a lot of
thinking. I thought "has this sport burned me out?" Should I quit? And
most of all I thought was all this worth it? After about 3 minutes of
thinking I realized there was no way in heck that I was Going to let this
one trip beat me and that there was no question that this was worth
everything I went through, after all this is free flight. In about 200
seconds in that Days in, in Muncie I thought extremely hard about what I
wanted to do when I started flying again, if I started flying again. I
thought to myself I could take the easy way out and just duck the sport
and find something else to do. But I realized something and that is that
my life would be left with such a gaping hole without free flight. I
also realized that I was no longer a kid in this sport. So I arrived at
one conclusion and that is that there are two options. Those options were
1.quit sell all the models and find something else to do. or 2. recommit
myself like I had never done before and get some new equipment and start
where you left off. It took me about 2 minutes to make that decision.
But I came up with the final decision and ordered the new wings,
requested the contest days off from work and am already looking forward
to the endless October! This is not to say that I am still very depressed
and disappointed about what happened to me in Muncie but I have one thing
to say to conclude this completely random rambling. And that is that
although I am in a huge downer, I WILL FIND LIFT AGAIN!
Fly Max Win
Benjamin Coussens
PS:Since I am no longer a child im this sport, I will be taking over the
coussens family free flight name "Squatter" its is my time to carry on
the legacy!
..................
Roger Morrell
