SEN-487 October 16 2000
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News and Reports 2000 - second half
SCAT Electronic News 16 October 2000 issue 487
Table of Contents
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Found: one thermister - Pratt
USA Team Selection Results - Reformatted
Covering with Ikarex - Gregorie
SEN Topic - FAI Rule Book? - Cowley, Chaussebourg and Kaynes
King Climbs
King Climbs Again
Finals[UK] - Fantham
Found: one thermister
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Hi Roger,
On Saturday after the Team Selection contest I found a thermister still on
the field at Lost Hills. If anyone lost one, let me know. Also, I'll bring
it to the Sierra Cup this coming weekend.
Thanks to everyone who participated in putting on a terrific final.
John Pratt
USA Team Selection Results - Reformatted
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Applogies to the readers but we were somewhat tired and
not thinking straight so after sending out the results
I realized that we had not sorted them into order and
labelled the places... So here they are again - a bit better
presented.
F1A
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Name 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 F1 TotalPlace
Spence 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 2880 1
Barron 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 2880 2
Hines 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 150 2730 3
Markos 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 125 2705 4
Coussens 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 210 169 180 180 180 180 164 2553 5
Diez 210 180 180 180 180 152 180 210 172 180 180 180 180 180 2544 6
Puhakka 203 180 137 180 180 180 180 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 2530 7
Davis 210 175 180 180 180 180 115 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 2510 8
Parker 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 210 180 180 180 180 93 180 2493 9
Weiler 210 180 109 180 180 180 180 210 180 143 180 180 180 180 2472 10
Schlosberg 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 210 180 180 180 60 180 180 2460 11
Van Nest 210 180 180 180 180 180 176 210 109 180 180 180 180 130 2455 12
McKeever 210 150 180 180 180 180 180 210 180 73 180 180 180 180 2443 13
Busnelli 166 180 180 82 180 180 180 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 2438 14
Sifleet 182 156 180 180 180 180 80 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 2428 15
Brun 210 180 180 180 180 180 122 210 180 79 180 180 180 180 2421 16
Cowley 210 180 180 120 180 180 121 105 180 180 180 180 180 180 2356 17
Brocks 210 103 123 180 180 180 148 154 176 180 141 170 180 180 2305 18
Bradley 210 180 151 180 180 144 29 203 180 180 115 180 180 180 2292 19
Fedor 169 111 180 180 180 70 140 163 180 180 180 180 180 180 2273 20
Joyce 206 180 180 144 180 171 84 0 122 180 180 180 180 180 2167 21
Zink 210 180 180 180 180 180 180 210 180 144 180 82DNF DNF 2086 22
Tzvetkov 144 180 180 31 180 180 180 210 78 180 160 51 180 76 2010 23
Kozlyuk 210 151 71 180 180 143 180 130 180 180DNF DNF DNF DNF 1605 24
Protheroe 187 180 28 180 87 30DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 692 25
F1B
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Name 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 F1 F1 TotalPlace
Ghio 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 445 3385 1
Jensen, B 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 435 3375 2
Morrell 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 409 3349 3
Luekins 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 300 3240 4
Laird 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 141 3081 5
Parkyn 240 180 180 180 180 174 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2634 6
Piserchio 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 166 180 180 180 180 180 2626 7
Booth 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 160 180 180 180 180 180 2620 8
Sessums,H 240 180 180 180 180 155 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2615 9
Davis, E. 240 180 154 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2614 10
Pratt 240 180 180 180 180 149 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2609 11
Tymchek 240 180 180 180 180 156 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 171 2607 12
Davis, M. 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 143 180 2603 13
Wood 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 165 157 2602 14
Cooney 240 180 180 180 180 141 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2601 15
Norvall 240 145 180 180 180 172 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2597 16
Joyner 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 122 180 180 180 180 180 2582 17
Felix 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 177 180 180 180 180 180 180 2577 18
Rohrke 240 180 180 180 180 143 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 150 2573 19
Furatani 240 180 180 180 180 180 112 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2572 20
Gibbons 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 105 180 180 180 180 180 2565 21
Pearce 240 180 180 180 180 120 180 240 180 163 180 180 180 180 2563 22
Wiley 224 180 180 180 180 176 180 217 180 131 180 180 180 180 2548 23
Myers 230 180 129 129 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2528 24
Tracy 240 180 180 180 180 108 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 113 2501 25
Jensen, E.240 163 180 180 180 102 180 240 180 180 180 180 131 180 2496 26
Boreland 240 180 180 180 180 116 180 204 104 180 180 180 180 180 2464 27
Keppler J 232 154 180 115 180 180 180 166 170 180 180 180 180 151 2428 28
Keppler T 240 180 180 180 52 128 180 240 180 180 180 180 150 136 2386 29
Ewing 0 180 180 180 180 152 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2372 30
Hinson 240 87 167 167 180 64 137 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2362 31
Crowley 58 180 180 180 180 63 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2341 32
Clapp 18 180 180 180 180 154 180 223 180 180 180 180 119 180 2314 33
Sessums,J 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 134DNF DNF 2234 34
Lacey 181 133 180 115 180 77 180 176 180 180 180 180 134 122 2198 35
Shailor 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 22DNF DNF DNF 1942 36
Andriukov 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 140DNF DNF DNF DNF 1880 37
Ioeger 240 180 180 180 180 81 180 195 180DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 1596 38
Fitch 240 180 180 180 180 139 180DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 1279 39
Dorsett 240 180 180 180 180 103DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 1063 40
Jensen D. DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 0 41
Watters DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 0 42
Brush DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 0 43
Matsuno DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 0 44
F1C
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Name 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14F1 F2 TotalPlace
Archer 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 539 3479 1
Keck 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 425 3365 2
Oliver 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 376 3316 3
McBurnett 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 362 3302 4
Morris 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 358 3298 5
Gutai 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 348 3288 6
Spence 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 321 3261 7
Halliday 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 300 91 3031 8
Galbreath 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 272 2912 9
Simpson 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 260 2900 10
Poti 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 234 2874 11
Johannes 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 201 2841 12
Warren 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 161 2801 13
Sifleet 280 180 180 180 163 180 141 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2624 14
Kerger 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 212 162 180 180 180 180 180 2594 15
Roberts 240 180 180 180 180 180 133 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2593 16
Menanno 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 240 118 180 180 180 180 180 2578 17
Parker 171 180 176 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 180 180 177 180 2564 18
Joyce 240 180 180 180 180 180 102 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2562 19
Ginder 202 180 180 180 180 180 128 240 180 180 180 180 180 180 2550 20
Stiles 240 130 180 180 180 180 180 240 180 180 154 0 0 0 2024 21
Perkins 240 180 180 180 180 180 180DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 1320 22
Happersett240 180 180 99 171DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 870 23
Broderson 27 0 0 0 0 0 0 240 142 180 9 0 0 0 598 24
KirilenkoDNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 0 25
Carroll DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF DNF 0 26
Covering with Ikarex
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Put the stuff on with thinned contact cement and then heat shrink with a
heat gun or covering iron.
I use Evostick thinned almost to the consistency of 50% thinned dope. Cover
each panel with a single piece of Ikarex, starting under the LE, working
round the TE and ending with a small overlap so the free edge points to the
rear. If you are using different colours top and bottom, cover the top
first, wrapping the covering round the carbon TE and leaving the LE edge
free. Cover the under surface, overlapping the front edge with the flap of
upper surface material to give a small overlap and stick the TE onto the
Ikarex wrapped round the TE.
HTH
Martin
SEN Topic - FAI Rule Book?
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Roger,
SEN Topic:
Don't Trust that Rule Book - F1H It's Official !
Amazing that we wouldn't have got the word out sooner ! I must be
slipping - did I miss something published about F1H ?
- Martyn
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From: Kaynes on Sun, Oct 15, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: F1H Rules
To: Cowley
Martyn
Yes, I confirm Pierre's statement of F1G, H & J having 10 minutes flyoff
period as from last year.
Ian
From: PIERRE.CHAUSSEBOURG on Sat, Oct 14, 2000 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: F1H Rules
To: Cowley
Martyn,
I confirm that this modification (3.G.8.b -
3.H.8.b.- 3.J.8.b. and 3.K.8.) 10 minutes round
instead of 15 for fly-off, has been adopted at the 1998 Plenary
meeting, and is mentioned in the minutes of that meeting.
It applies to F1H, F1G, F1J and F1K which are provisional
rules, and as such, do not have to wait for the 4
years cycle. So it is already applied since 1st january 1999. I
wish you the best for the Sierra Cup.
Looking forward for next year...
Best regards,
Pierre
[Martyn
I seem to remember Goerge Batiuk making a comment about not finding
a rule to do with the processing of models that was used
at the Junior WC. George found that on the FAI Web Site
in addition to the Sporting Code there is a supplement with
some later rules changes.... maybe it is 'printed' there]
King Climbs
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P. King (Climb Simulation..again)
Dear Jean,
First of all, I misunderstood you regarding the flight speed of differing
AR's. Of course the higher the AR the lower the CL therefore the higher the
velocity.
I have checked up on how I handle the effect of Re No in the climb mode and
this is the situation with some results and graphs, attached in Exel.
In fact the Re is simulated during the climb and gave the following results
when I ran two cases. ie. AA's AA30 (AR ca 15.8 and Alex's 'Long model' AR
ca 22 plus.
If you can download the Exel spread sheet, you will see figures for velocity,
climb angle and CL. They show what one would expect but notice that the
motor run stays about the same at ca 43.5 secs in both cases.
A short summary of the comparitive performance is as follows:
LOW AR HIGH AR
Motor run 43.65 43.55
Glide CL 1.017 0.982
Height (m) 104.75 106.95
Duration 369 sec 397 sec
Notice the duration is slightly less for the high AR despite the higher climb
!! (Due to Re effect on the glide at high AR.
A look at the spread sheet will show that, as we would expect, the CL is
slightly higher for the Low AR and the Velocity is slightly lower. An
interesting thing I found was that the difference is far more marked at the
end of the climb when the CL is highest. During the 1st 2/3rds of the
climb there is little difference in either speed or CL. To sum up, the High
AR Wake climbs just over two meters higher but takes an almost identical time
to get there !!! How does all this compare with your observations and
calculations. As I understand it, the effect is similar to what you have
noticed but the magnitude of difference is lower ?? It is very welcome to
have all this feed back and it all helps enormously in refining the computer
simulations. All the best to you Jean !!
Peter King
King Climbs Again
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Subject : Re: SCAT Electronic News 14 October 2000 issue 486
NEW EXEL GRAPHS for Climb Sim.
I have now done a better spread sheet, (See attachment), of the effects of AR
on the F1B climb.
It now shows 3 AR's ranging from 13/1 to 22/1. In fact the duration is
highest at 22/1
Peter King
[Peter's spread sheets will be sent in a separate e-mail]
Finals
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Congratulations Lee! [e-mail sent to Lee Hines and SEN]
What a deal! Duff fly-off though - must improve.
('What a deal' originally came from yourself or Martyn Cowley)
Here's ours:
Final team selection meeting held October 14-15 at RAF Sculthorpe,
north-west Norfolk.
Unofficial overall results (we use best two of three events and 'World Cup'
points)
F1A John Williams, Antony Ball, Chris Edge, Reserve Mike Fantham
F1B Mike Woodhouse, John Billam, Russell Peers, Reserve Geoff Kent
F1C Stafford Screen, Peter Watson, John Cuthbert, Reserve Phil Ball
I dropped one flight this weekend - 97 secs! If I had done 102 on that
one, I would have made the team...........
Weather was good all three events had fly-offs. A and C to 5 mins, B to
7mins
These are excellent teams for us.
Looking forward to Endless October II - see you all there.
Regards
Mike and Lauren.
..............
Roger Morrell
