SEN 2406 more on Acceleration, San Valeers and SEN

Table of Contents – SEN 2406

 

  1. Use of accelerometer in F1A
  2. Re: SEN 2405 - Accelerometers
  3. San Valeers Corrected
  4. More SEN stuff

 

Use of accelerometer in F1A

 

From: Ian Kaynes 

 

The Free Flight definition includes the prohibition of closed loop control

systems: "Closed loop control systems with active sensors and operating

 

aerodynamic flight controls or moving mass are not allowed, unless allowed

in the class rules." 

 

In the case in question the accelerometer is an active sensor but taking no

control action until it reaches the required threshold. It then gives the

signal to release the hook and then takes no more action during the flight.

This is a single trigger action with no feedback of the result of that

action and thus it is not a closed loop control system. So in my view it is

just as acceptable as having a mechanical spring release the hook.

 

 

 

Ian Kaynes

 

Re: SEN 2405 - Accelerometers

From: Allard van Wallene

 

Dear Mr. Scat:

 

On the (il)legality of accelerometers for unlatching a hook, the rule can be found in the General Section of the Sporting code under Free Flight:

 

B.1.2.1 Category F1 - Free Flight

a) This is a flight during which there exists no physical connection between the model aircraft and the competitor or his helper. Radio control functions are allowed only when specifically stated in the rules for the relevant class. Closed loop control systems with active sensors and operating aerodynamic flight controls or moving mass are not allowed, unless allowed in the class rules.

 

Let’s strip this down to our case:

 

1 Closed loop control systems:  No, the g-sensor triggers the opening of the latch and changes of surfaces upon release of the model. There is no closed feedback loop. The action is irreversible.

 

2 with active sensors: Yes, there is an active sensor (but not used in a closed loop)

 

3 and operating aerodynamic flight controls: Yes, although a latch is not an aerodynamic flight control, the sensor starts another myriad of changes (e.g. flaps, rudder, stab) 

 

4 or moving mass: debatable as a latch has a mass which is moving. However the gist of this particular addition at the time was to prevent CG changes thereby changing the stability margin. A moving latch does no such thing.

 

Are not allowed, unless allowed in the class rules.

 

Note the words ‘and’ and ‘with’, meaning, if any of features 1, 2 or 3 are not present, the rule is complied with. As an example, a weight pendulum to control a stabiliser (=closed loop) is allowed as it doesn’t involve an active sensor.

 

 

Ergo, since item (1) is not applied, the system does not breach the FAI rule B.1.2.1 a)

 

For what its worth, a typical value set for opening a latch is 8g. We have discovered that the actual g-loads are somewhat lower than the values calculated. But this is another (in my opinion very interesting) discussion.

 

Best regards,

Allard

 

San Valeers Corrected

 

From: Terry T

 

Attached is the correct flyer for the San Valeers spring. The one in the scat newsletter I just received shows slow gas which we are not having this year. It wasn't the latest revision.

 

 

SAN VALEERS 69th ANNUAL & 36th ANNUAL 7 ROUNDER

APRIL 21st & 22th, 2018 - LOST HILLS, CA.

 

A NFFS NATIONAL CUP, AMERICAS CUP & AMA AA SANCTIONED CONTEST

            (SCAMPS/SCIFS contest same weekend with SCAMP CD Dan Heinrich 909 593-5789)

 

 

AMA CAT II & NOSTALGIA CAT II** (WEATHER PERMITTING)

 

SATURDAY 8 TO 5                              SUNDAY 8 TO 3                         BOTH DAYS

1/2A GAS                                          A GAS                                      P-30, HL & Catapult Glider      

B GAS                                                D GAS                                      1/2A Golden Age

C GAS                                                ABC Nostalgia**                      Nostalgia Rubber

1/2A Nostalgia**                                                                    (all flights same day for each entry)

 E-36

 

F1A NORDIC - FIB WAKEFIELD - F1C/F1P POWER- F1Q SATURDAY 8 AM TO 3 PM (7 rounds)

1st Round at 8am, F1A, B, C, P, Q 240 secs. All other rounds 180 secs. Flyoff begins at 4:00pm

 

F1GF1HF1S SUNDAY 8 AM TO 11:45 Tie breaker flyoff to the ground 7:30 to 8:00 am. Standard (5 rounds  45 minutes long starting at 8:00 am, 120 sec maxes) 2 FO flights starting at 1:00 pm. If tied after 5 flights and 2 FO flights than tie breaker flight determines winner.

 

VINTAGE FAI

SATURDAY 8:00 am-1:00pm (5 1hr rounds) All flights 180 secs flyoff at 2:00pm

 

HUNTER MEMORIAL SUNDAY MORNING(weather permitting)-Sponsored by Mike Thompson

RULES: Any gas free flight airplane.  15 second VTO, 12 second H.L. Highest single flight time (no max) Starts Sunday at sunrise with 1 hr window (start time announced). Entry fee ($1.00 per flight)                    

 

**NOSTALGIA per latest rulebook except motor runs which shall be 10 sec HL, 13 sec VTO for 1st 3 flights, 7 & 9 secs on all flyoff flights. Classes scored separately for National cup but awards given for 1/2A Nostalgia and ABC Nostalgia combined.

 

1/2A GOLDEN AGE 1/2 A Models from 1957 to 1969 Engines:TD OR HH .049/.051, motor runs same as Nostalgia

 

MERCHANDISE AWARDS (engines, kits, fuel, wood, $$$, etc)

 

***ROSSI .15***  RAFFLE reworked by G. Aldrich & donated by Ed Hopkins (1 ticket for each event entered, or $3 ea, or $5 for 2, or $10 for 5)***

 

AMA/NOST CD: Ted Hidinger (602) 316-4430   FAI CD: Mike Thompson (805) 404-6173

 

AMA & Nostalgia: 1ST event: $10.00, Additional events: $5.00 per event or $35 unlimited entry, JRS FREE,  FAI events: 1st event $20 and additional events $10.

 

 

"JUST BRING YOUR MODELS AND SLEEPING BAG AND HAVE FUN"

 

 

 

 

 

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