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Where’s Bill Hartill and the boys when you need them?
Almost 50 years Bill Hartill and a bunch of FAI zealots left the San Valeers Club to form the Southern California Aero Team because they felt that some members of the San Valeers were bending the FAI rules to suit themselves. And that this action did not serve those preparing for international competition. Bill and the boys got a reputation of being abrasive, hard core and very competitive.
Years later we’re friends with the San Valeers and have mellowed a little on the club membership requirements but we’re still hard core, we still belive in international competition, we still try very hard to get on the US Free Flight Team, we organized the Americas Cup to raise the standard of International Free Flight across our country, we try and fly in contests in other countries .. and we still follow the FAI Sporting code.
Recently there has been discussion and commentary about what should be in the rules even to the point of confronting other sportsmen on the flying field and/or accusing them of cheating . The incident that comes to mind almost caused an international incident. A few years back a group of sportsmen were preparing for a dawn flyoff in a world cup event in Argentina. A sportsmen from another country with a conservative agenda who had not made the fly off confronted Alex Andriukov, while he was winding because Alex’s helper had handed him a motor from under his jacket. He accused Alex of cheating because his helper had warmed the motor under his jacket. This is matter that could be open to interpretation. However it was not appropriate to confront another sportsman, the correct procedure would have been to file a formal protest. Which the other sportsmen was ‘persuaded’ to do rather than continue the confrontation. I’m not sure what all the others in the flyoff did but I did see Bror Eimar take his motor out of down jacket pocket
As hard nosed and abrasive as Bill and the boys were in the good old days they knew that there are two things to be done. Firstly if another contestant contravenes the rules, pay the fee and lodge the protest. All serious FAI events have a jury, independent of the CD to resolve such issues. I’ve been on the jury in other countries and from personal experience the mix of sportsmen from varied backgrounds have always come up with the right decision. Secondly there is a process through the Team Selection committee to the AMA to the FAI to put in rules proposals. That proposal is voted on by FAI members from many countries. Sometimes we get a decision that we like sometimes one we don’t like, that’s FAI, where the I is for International flying.
The only way to win a World Championship is to fly under the FAI rules, the best way to prepare for that is to fly as often as possible under those rules. That goes with being so hard core.
For Sale
For sale: Black Magic 2-servo timer, version 2.42,
Radio DT & alternate DT capable.
never used.
Price: $40 US
Bought from The Magic Man, March 2004.
Contact Lee Hines Ph: 949 645 4850
Fall 2008 AmCup Report
Only 8 more contests left this session but they will yield some exciting end of the year races. Brian Van Nest held the lead for much of the year but Rene Limberger took the F1A lead with the flyoff win of the Northwest challenge the morning of Livotto’s and then won the Livotto’s contest resulting in a total of 116 points. It win be hard for Brian to regain the lead due to the lack of larger entry levels in the remaining eight contests needed for bonus points. 2009 USA team members Lee Hines, Steve Spence and Ken Bauer placed 5th,6th and 15th.
On the other hand, Paul Crowley has maintained his lead in F1B with 106 points. Blake Jensen has a shot but needs 2 wins—Eloy is good but he has 2 Lost Hills high scores. Same for George Batiuk and Eddie VanLandingham but he could fly at any of the remaining contest to improve their scores. The sleeper is Alex Andriukov with two 30 point contests. 2009 USA Team members are Alex, Walt Ghio and Charlie Jones at 10th, 20th and 28th.
Good year for Don Chesson currently in F1C 1st and a USA 2009 member along with Gil Morris(10th) and Dick Mathis (17th). Ron McBurnett, first alternate Matt Gewain, Mike Roberts and Roger Simpson all can make a run for the first place position.
Dave Rounsaville has a fight to keep his first place position with Bob Hanford hot on his tails in F1P.
Tiffany O’Dell is holding on to 1st as well in F1G. Will second place Charlie Jones make a push or start his F1B focus for 2008 Croatia WC? Brian VanNest and Eddie VanLandingham have credible chance for first as well.
Brian VanNest is also putting the pressure on his buddy, Mike McKeever, first place in F1H. Bonus points are critical here making a slim chance for the rest of us to taking the lead.
Faust Parker has held the F1J lead all year and it’s the bonus point situation again. Unlikely Jean Pailet (2nd), Dave Rounsaville (3rd) will be able overcome Faust’s lead.
F1Q is a close race with Bernie Crowe in the lead but Dick Wood, Frank Pollard and Dan Berry all have credible opportunity to earn 1st place points.
Looks like Peter Brocks takes F1E again this year seeing there are no more contests scheduled for the rest of the year. Peter is also on the USA 2009 F1E team along with Bob Sifleet (2nd) and Tome Ieorger (3rd).
Off to Las Vegas to see if I can climb into 5th place or better in F1A or H.
As usual, send corrects to via email <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>. Your corrections are key to insure accurate results at the end of the year.
Thermals, JIM
America Cup results - with individual placings
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 17 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike 21 Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM 29 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 16 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 6 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA 3 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF 2 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl 14 Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu 2 Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA 3 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
SkC 11 Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL 0 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC 4 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
MMM 7 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA 7 Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC 12 Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO 15 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 11 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2 12 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 0 ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA 3 FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC 4 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC 0 Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA 18 Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu 19 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC 0 Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL
F1A
1 Limberger, Rene 116 SWR-1 Ike-5* SCA-1 MMM-1* NW2-1 Scu-1
2 VanNest, Brian 114 Ike-1 MM-5* BAl-1 SkC-1 MMM-2* HC-2* USO-1 NWF-4* Scu-4*
3 Barron, Andrew 103 MM-1 EFF-1 BAl-3* SkC-2 SkA-1 HC-3* CFA-5*
4 McKeever, Mike 99 SWR-2 Ike-4* MM-4* NCA-1 BAl-5* USO-5* NWF-1 NW2-2 CFA-4*
5 Hines, Lee 89 SCA-2 NCA-2* TCC-2 MMM-3* NW2-3* DC-1 CFA-3
6 Spence, Steve 75 SCT-1 TCC-1 USO-2
7 Edmonson, Dave 70 DC-2 CFA-2 Scu-2
8 Tzvetkov,Tzvetan 69 EFF-2 SkA-2 HC-1
9 Sifleet, Bob 64 IFA-1 USO-3 AFA-2
10 Markos, Chuck 62 Hcu-2 IFA-2 SkC-5 AFA-3
11 Parker, Jim 58 BAl-2 NWF-5 NW2-5 Scu-3
12 Thompson, Mike 50 Ike-3 SCA-3 MMM-4
13 Cai, Oliver (Jr) 45 MM-3 AFA-1
14 Brocks, Peter 43 SWR-3 SCA-4 DC-4
15 Bauer, Ken 42 Ike-2 NWF-3
16 Lenartowicz, C 30 CFA-1
17 Tetrick, Logan (jr) 28 SWR-4 USO-4
18 Zink, Don 26 BAl-4 NW2-4
19 Bauer, Brian 25 MM-2
19 Lorbiecki, John 25 Hcu-1
19 McQuade, Pete 25 DC-3 Scu-5
22 Brun, Pierre 22 NWF-2
23 Berry, Dan 21 SCT-2
24 Barron, Peter 17 SkC-3
25 Troutman, Jim 16 SCT-3
25 Barron,Timothy(jr) 16 SkA-3
27 Smith,Norm 15 NCA-3
27 Shepard, Jessie 15 TCC-3
27 Lorbiecki, John 15 IFA-3
30 Boiadjien, Todor 13 HC-4
31 Thomson, Ben 12 SkC-4
32 Fedor, Mike 11 SCT-4
32 Whitney, Marian (jr) 11 SkA-4
34 Fedor, Jeff 10 TCC-4
35 Davis, Jon 9 SWR-5
35 Protheroe, Dan 9 SCA-5
37 Jones, Kyle (jr) 8 HC-5
38 Sheffer. Jackie 6 SCT-5
38 Reynolds, Randy 6 MMM-5
38 Johnson, Miles(jr) 6 SkA-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 16 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike 26 Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM 33 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 14 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 5 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA 7 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF 3 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl 15 Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu 9 Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA 12 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
Sky 10 Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL 3 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC 4 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
MMM 6 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA 7 Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC 10 Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO 25 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 6 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2 5 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 2 ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA 9 FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC 3 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC 0 Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA 18 Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu 25 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC 0 Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL
F1B
1 Crowley, Paul 106 SWR-5* MM-1 Hcu-1 IFA-3* HC-2 AFA-1 CFA-3*
2 Jensen, Blake 95 BAl-1 MMM-2 NWF-5* NW2-1 CFA-2
3 Batiuk, George 91 BAl-3 MMM-1 NWF-2 NW2-4* DC-1 Scu-4*
4 Vanlandingham, Ed 86 SCT-3* McL-1 TCC-1 MMM-3 DC-2
5 Simon, Greg 81 SWR-3 Hcu-5* IFA-2 HC-1 AFA-4
6 McGlashan, Jerry 67 EFF-1 ESF-1 AFA-3
7 Emery, Jack 65 SWR-2 MM-4 NCA-1
8 Bradley, Jim 62 SWR-4 IFA-1 McL-2
8 Clapp, John 62 EFF-2 Sky-2 ESF-2
10 Andriukov, Alex 60 USO-1 CFA-1
11 Horak, Ladi 57 Ike-3 MM-2 HC-4 Scu-3*
11 Morrell, Roger 57 MM-3 HC-5 Scu-1
13 Belfield, Mark 55 NCA-2 BAl-4 NW2-1
13 Mulligan, Mike 55 Ike-1 SCA-3* Scu-2
15 Radziunas, Sarah 53 Sky-1 SkA-1
16 Wood, Dick 48 SCA-2 SCT-1
17 Reinhart, Pete 45 SCT-4 TCC-2 DC-3
18 Biedron, Bob 44 SWR-1 USO-4
18 Shailor, John (Jr) 44 Hcu-2 AFA-2
20 Davis, Mike 41 Ike-2 NCA-3
20 Ghio, Walt 41 NWF-1 NW2-3
22 Vaccaro, Tom 38 Sky-3 SkA-2
22 Saks, Dave 38 SCA-1 CFA-5
24 Rohrke, Rich 36 NWF-3 CFA-4 Scu-5
25 Brown, Gerald 35 SCT-2 TCC-3
26 Jensen, Gene 30 IFA-4 MMM-5 NWF-3
27 Schlosberg, Aram 29 Sky-4 HC-3
28 Nelson, Elmer 25 Ike-4 MM-5
28 Simon, Evan (Jr) 25 Hcu-3 IFA-5
28 Jones, Charles 25 USO-2
31 Peck, Jerry 24 BAl-2
32 Shailor, Bill 20 USO-3
33 Seymour, John 19 Hcu-4 AFA-5
34 Schroedter, Amy 16 Ike-5 NCA-5
34 Allen, Carrol 16 SkA-3
36 Harden, Edd 15 McL-3
36 Troutman, Mark 15 SCT-5 TCC-4
38 Piserchio, Bob 13 SCA-4
39 Schroedter,Martin 11 NCA-4
39 Jones, Darold 11 MMM-4
39 Radziunas, Michelle 11 SkA-4
42 Hoffman, Mark 10 USO-5
43 Booth, Bill 9 BAl-5
44 Tymchek, Bob 8 SCA-5
45 Doerner, Brede(Jr) 7 Sky-5
46 Ioerger, Tom 6 SkA-5
47 Ulm, Allan 5 NW2-5
48 & nbsp; 0
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 7 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike 12 Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM 18 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 6 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 3 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA 1 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF 0 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl 13 Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu 3 Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA 4 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
Sky 0 Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL 1 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC 3 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
MMM 3 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA 0 Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC 1 Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO 6 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 2 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2 2 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 0 ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA 2 FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC 3 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC 0 Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA 3 Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu 14 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC 0 Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL
F1C
1 Chesson, Don 94 SWR-1 Ike-3 SCT-1 USO-1 Scu-4*
2 Mc Burnett, Ron 82 BAl-4 NWF-2 NW2-1 Scu-1
3 Gewain, Matt 75 SCA-1 BAl-1 USO-5 CFA-3
4 Roberts, Mike 72 MM-4* BAl-2 NWF-1 NW2-2* Scu-2
4 Simpson, Roger 72 Ike-1 MM-3 NCA-1
6 Poti, Norm 69 MM-5* Hcu-1 IFA-1 USO-4* Scu-3
7 Parker, Faust 66 McL-1 TCC-2 USO-2
7 Etherington, Chuck 66 SWR-2 MMM-1 DC-2
9 Spence, Henry 61 SCT-2 TCC-1 USO-3
10 Servaites, Bucky 60 MM-2 Hcu-3 AFA-2 Scu-5*
10 Morris, Gil 60 Hcu-2 IFA-3 AFA-1
12 Pulley, Lynn 49 SWR-3 Ike-4 SCA-2
13 Happersett, Ken 48 MM-1 SCA-3* BAl-3
14 Solomon, Roland 45 MMM-2 DC-1
15 Ellington, Jeff 42 Ike-2 CFA-2
15 Carroll, Ed 42 SWR-5 SCA-4 CFA-1
17 Mathis, Dick 33 SWR-4 Ike-5 MMM-3
18 Troutman, Mark 30 SCT-3 TCC-3
19 Shvedenkov, Yury 25 HC-1
20 Johannes, Dave 21 SCA-5 DC-3
21 Loriecki, John T 20 IFA-2
22 Loriecki, John F 10 IFA-4
23 Ginder, Fred 8 BAl-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 1 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike 3 Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM 7 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 0 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 1 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA 2 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF 0 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl 1 Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu 0 Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA 0 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
Sky 2 Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL 0 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC 2 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
MMM 0 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA 2 Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC 0 Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO 6 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 0 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2 0 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 1 ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA 0 FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC 2 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC 0 Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA 0 Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu 1 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC 0 Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL
F1P
1 Rounsaville, Dave 96 MM-2 BAl-1 Sky-1 SkA-2* USO-2* ESF-1
2 Hanford, Bob 95 SWR-1 SCT-1 TCC-2 USO-4* DC-1
3 Pacelli, Brian(jr) 61 Sky-2 SkA-1 USO-3
4 Robertson. Tony 51 Ike-1 MM-5 DC-2
5 Parsons, Dave 40 Ike-3 Scu-1
6 Secor, Randy 36 Ike-2 MM-3
7 Ferrario, Anthony (jr) 31 MM-4 NCA-2
8 Secor, Cody (jr) 26 MM-1
8 Simpson, Reid 26 USO-1
10 Chinmay, Jaju 25 NCA-1
10 Troutman, Mark 25 TCC-1
12 Fedor, Mike 6 USO-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 12 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike 18 Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM 24 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA -x- SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 4 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA 4 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF 0 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl 3 Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu 4 Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA 7 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
Sky 6 Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL 4 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC 3 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
MMM 10 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA 6 Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC 4 Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO 35 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 3 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2 5 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 1 ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA 4 FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC 8 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC 0 Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA 13 Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu 13 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC 0 Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL
F1G
1 O'Dell, Tiffany 100 SWR-1 Ike-3 BAl-2* MMM-1 NWF-1 NW2-2* CFA-3* Scu-4*
2 Jones, Charlie 89 SWR-2 HC-4 CFA-1 Scu-1
3 VanNest, Brian 83 SWR-4 Ike-4 MM-1 NW2-1
4 Brocks, Peter 81 SWR-5* BAl-1 MMM-4 DC-2 CFA-2
5 Ioerger, Tom 79 IFA-2 SkA-4* HC-1 AFA-3 Scu-3
6 Vanlandingham, Ed 73 SCT-4 McL-1 TCC-1 CFA-4
7 Allen, Carrol 72 Sky-2 SkA-1 HC-3 USO-5
8 Belfield, Mark 70 MM-4 NCA-1 BAl-3 NWF-3 NW2-3* CFA-5* Scu-5*
8 Ghio, Walt 70 MM-3 NCA-2 NWF-2 NW2-4
10 Sechrist, Dave 61 IFA-3 USO-3 AFA-1
10 Clapp, John 61 Sky-3 HC-2 ESF-1
12 DeLoach, Don 60 SWR-3 Ike-5 MMM-3 USO-4
13 Edmonson, Dave 51 MM-2 DC-1
14 Reinhart, Pete 45 SCT-1 TCC-2
15 Buss, Bill 42 Sky-1 SkA-3
16 Emery, Jack 38 NCA-3 Scu-2
17 Markos, Chuck 35 Hcu-1 AFA-4
18 Simon, Greg 31 IFA-4 AFA-2
19 Tymchek, Bob 30 Ike-1
19 Brown, Gerld 30 SCT-3 TCC-3
19 Vaccaro, Tom 30 USO-1
22 Hatschek, Bob 27 Sky-5 SkA-2
23 Parkyn, Chris 26 IFA-1
24 Davis, Mike 25 Ike-2
24 Gerszewski, James 25 USO-2
26 Reynolds, Randy 22 MMM-2
27 Wood, Dick 20 SCT-2
27 Crowley, Paul 20 Hcu-2
27 Klingaman, Jerry 20 McL-2
30 Sisk, Marc 18 MMM-5 DC-4
31 Schroedter, Aimee 16 MM-5 IFA-5
31 Batiuk, George 16 DC-3
33 Konefes, Ed 15 Hcu-3
33 Hepler, Eric 15 McL-3
35 Lacey, David 11 Sky-4
36 Masterman, Paul 10 Hcu-4
36 Davis, Troy (Jr) 10 NCA-4
36 Hepler, Tom 10 McL-4
39 Rousseau, Don 6 SkA-5
39 Murphy, Jerry 6 DC-5
41 Vernon, Ted 5 NW2-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 6 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike 9 Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM 11 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA -x- SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT -x- Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA 2 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF 0 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl 6 Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu 1 Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA 2 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
Sky 4 Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL 1 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC 5 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
MMM 4 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA 4 Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC 3 Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO 12 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 5 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2 4 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 1 ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA 2 FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC 3 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC 0 Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA 7 Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu 9 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC 0 Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL
F1H
1 McKever, Mike 104 SWR-1 Ike-3* MM-4* NCA-1 BAl-3* USO-1 NWF-1 NW2-1* Scu-5*
2 VanNest, Brian 100 SWR-5* Ike-1 MM-5* BAl-2 Sky-2* MMM-2* HC-1 USO-4* NWF-3* NW2-2* CFA-1
3 Pailet, Jean 95 Hcu-1 IFA-2 Sky-3* McL-1 SkA-4* ESF-1 AFA-2*
4 Thompson, Mike 92 Ike-4 MM-3 BAl-5* MMM-1 CFA-3 Scu-1
5 Parker, Jim 89 SWR-2 Ike-2 BAl-1 NWF-2 NW2-3* Scu-3*
6 Sifleet, Bob 82 Ike-5 IFA-1 Sky-1 SkA-1 HC-2* USO-2* AFA-1* CFA-4* Scu-2*
7 Hines,Lee 78 SWR-3 MM-2 TCC-2 MMM-4* USO-5* NWF-4* DC-2 CFA-2* Scu-4*
8 Davis, Jon 38 MM-1 BAl-4
9 Phelan, Dennis 30 Sky-4 SkA-2
9 Sisk, Marc 30 MMM-3 DC-3
11 Smith, Norm 26 SWR-4 NWF-5 NW2-4
12 Fedor, Mike 25 TCC-1
12 Edmonson, Dave 25 DC-1
14 Jones, Kyle (Jr) 18 HC-3* USO-3
15 Troutman, Mark 15 TCC-3
15 Radziunas, Kathy 15 SkA-3
17 Berry, Dan 10 TCC-4
18 Brown, Gerald 5 TCC-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 1 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike 3 Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM 11 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA -x- SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 2 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA 1 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF 1 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl 1 Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu 3 Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA 4 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
Sky 2 Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL 2 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC 6 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
MMM 0 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA 4 Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC 0 Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO 6 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 1 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2 1 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 3 ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA 1 FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC 3 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC 0 Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA 2 Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu 4 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
Fal 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC 0 Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL
F1J
1 Parker, Faust 102 SWR-1 SCT-1* McL-1 TCC-1 USO-1
2 Pailet, Jean 95 EFF-1 IFA-4* Sky-2* McL-2 SkA-1 USO-5* ESF-3* AFA-1
2 Rounsaville,Dave 95 MM-3* BAl-1 Sky-1 SkA-2 USO-3* ESF-1
4 Hanford, Bob 66 SCT-2 TCC-2 DC-1
5 Morris, Gil 65 Ike-2 MM-5* Hcu-1 IFA-2
6 Johannes, Dave 62 MM-2 DC-2 Scu-2
7 Roberts, Mike 60 NWF-1 NW2-1 Scu-4
8 Lorbiecki, John T 45 Hcu-2 IFA-1
9 Robertson, Tony 37 Ike-1 MM-4
10 Parsons, Dave 35 CFA-2 Scu-3
11 Gunder, Austin 27 MM-1
12 Jaju, Chinmay(jr) 25 NCA-1
12 Kerger, Terry 25 CFA-1
12 Poti, Norm 25 Scu-1
15 Spence, Steve 21 USO-2
16 Mollendorf, Joe 20 ESF-2
17 Parker, Jim 16 TCC-3
18 Mennano, Guy 15 Ike-3
18 Lorbiecki, John F 15 IFA-3
18 Pacelli, Brian(jr) 15 SkA-3
18 Bell, Tom 15 DC-3
22 Fedor, Mike 11 TCC-4
22 Spence, Henry 11 USO-4
24 Kerr, Tom 10 SkA-4
25 Troutman, Mark 6 TCC-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 1 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike 3 Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
MM 2 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 0 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 5 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA 0 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF 0 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl 3 Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu 0 Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA 0 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
Sky 2 Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL 1 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC 1 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
MMM 0 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA 0 Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC 0 Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO 5 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 2 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2 2 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 0 ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA 0 FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC 2 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC 0 Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA 0 Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu 0 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC 0 Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL
F1Q
1 Crowe,Bernie 85 SWR-1 Ike-2 BAl-2 NWF-2 NW2-2*
2 Wood, Dick 80 MM-2 SCT-2 BAl-3 DC-1
3 Pollard, Frank 75 Ike-1 MM-1 BAl-1* NWF-1 NW2-1*
3 Berry, Dan 75 SCT-1 TCC-1 USO-1
5 Ivers, Rich A 45 Sky-1 USO-2
6 Parker, Julie 40 SCT-3 McL-1
7 Ivers, Dick J 35 Sky-2 USO-3
8 Reinhart, Pete 20 DC-2
9 Oldenkamp, John 15 Ike-3
10 Lupazelli, Ed 10& nbsp; USO-4
10 Fedor, Mike 10 SCT-4
12 Troutman, Mark 5 SCT-5
12 Mays, Jim 5 USO-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR -x- Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
Ike 10 Winter Classic- Lost Hills, CA
Cal 9 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 0 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT -X- Spring Cup- Seguin TX
NCA 0 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
EFF -X- Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
BAl 5 Big Al, Lost Hills, CA
Hcu 0 Hoosier Cup, Muncie. IN
IFA 0 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
Sky 0 Skyscrapers FAI Challenge, Wawayanda NY
McL 0 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
TCC 0 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
MMM 1 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
SkA 0 Skyscrapper Annual,Wawayanda, NY
HC 0 Huron Cup- CFB Borden, Ontario Canada
USO 0 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 0 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
NW2 0 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 0 ESFFC, Geneseo, NY
AFA 0 FAI Invit. Munci, IN
DC 2 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CC 0 Canadian Cup, Camp Borden
CFA 0 Calif. FAI Invit./ Canada Cup, L.H. CA
Scu 0 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
AZC 4 Airazona Championships-Eloy, AZ
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL
F1E
1 Brocks, Peter 97 Ike-3* Cal-1 BAl-4* MMM-1 DC-1 AZC-2
2 Sifleet, Bob 69 Ike-2 Cal-2 AZC-1
3 Ioerger, Tom 49 Ike-1 Cal-4 AZC-4
4 Wood, Dick 40 BAl-5 DC-2 AZC-3
5 VanNest, Brian 29 Ike-4 Cal-3
6 Furutani, Norm 27 Ike-5 Cal-5* BAl-2
7 Parsons, Dave 25 BAl-1
8 Hannah, Bruce 15 BAl-3
9 0
More attempt questions ..
Dear Roger
In the FAI sporting code , section 4 Para 3.2.5 it's written that one of the cases for Definition of an Unsuccessful flying Attempt is: "When a part of the model aircraft becomes detached during the launch or during the flight time."
I flew F1B model in a competition and When I launched my model from my hand, one dihedral separated from the center and folded on the center part of the wing. During climbing he fluttered, hanging on the covering film.My model touched the ground after 45 sec and i did not get a Repeat of an Attempt.
I was told that the wording is very clear, not broke, not deformed but detached therefore I do not deserve another attempt as the part was still loosely connected.
I flew F1B model in a competition and When I launched my model from my hand, one dihedral separated from the center and folded on the center part of the wing. During climbing he fluttered, hanging on the covering film.My model touched the ground after 45 sec and i did not get a Repeat of an Attempt.
I was told that the wording is very clear, not broke, not deformed but detached therefore I do not deserve another attempt as the part was still loosely connected.
There is no logic to give F1A flyer a second attempt if the timer door fell and in this case not.It is clear that a model can fly without the timer door but not with a folded dihedral yet at the first case the sporting code give another chance to the flyer !!
Another argumentation is that the model's Surface Area become illegal therefor a second attempt can correct the situation...
hope to open a discussion about this case
Gil Mitzmacher
Another argumentation is that the model's Surface Area become illegal therefor a second attempt can correct the situation...
hope to open a discussion about this case
Gil Mitzmacher
ISRAEL
Don’t deny the majority the benefits of the 20 second rule
I am not sure how we all allowed the use of RC to directly affect the outcome of a contest flight in a free flight event, but it is this that should be addressed, not altering other rules to cater for it.
Only a small percentage of fliers currently use RCDT in contest flights, and I am not sure why the 20 second rule should be deleted or changed in any way for those who want to use RC during contest flights. Reducing the time to say 10 seconds would not always be effective because, by definition, the model is already low to warrant the need for a RCDT
Removal of the 20 second rule would be to the detriment of the large number of other fliers around the world who enjoy the benefits of having a second chance if a misfortune occurs (either of their own making or of someone else’s making) and they do a sub 20 second flight, It would also have to apply to all FAI F/F classes, and right down to club events not just the international ones.
So, I would suggest (excuse me if others have already proposed it) that if you have an ‘active’ RCDT fitted during a contest flight, you forfeit the 20 second rule for an early DT. De-activation of an RCDT would not be achieved by switching it off; removal of an RCDT component from the model would be required.
Not too difficult to police; if someone does a poor launch and then the model suddenly dt’s---!!
So don’t deny the majority the benefits of the 20 second rule.
Regards
Peter Tribe
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Roger Morrell