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SEN issue 1026 4 September 2006

Table of Contents
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2007 Southwest Regionals Eloy, AZ - Lidberg
F1B rubber weight - King
Rubber weight again - King
Model Performance - Shailor
Rules Changes
F1b -Bryant
F1E Team Selection - Sifleet
The ultimate event - Clemens
fai rules
Estimating Altitde - Gewain
Junior Championship F1ABP

2007 Southwest Regionals Eloy, AZ
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Early note:
The Southwest Regionals contest at Eloy,  Arizona is set for January 
13-14-15, 2007:
3 contests: AMA/NFFS/SAM Free Flight; FAI  Free Flight; RC Old Timers
plus a MECA Collecto.
 
See the links/urls below for history and  sign-up information. Make your 
travel plans now!

 
AL
A. A. Lidberg model plan service
_www.aalmps.com_ (http://www.aalmps.com/) 
Southwest Regionals Eloy, AZ  contest: 
Reports of previous contests: www.aalmps.com/swrintronu.htm
Sign  up info for January, 2007:  www.aalmps.com/7info.htm




F1B rubber weight
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Re: F1B rubber weight.
 
I agree completely with Tapio's remarks. I've also been studying many fly  
off results and if you look at the final flights you can see either people  
manage the 7 min round, which is a good indication there was thermal activity,  or 
 the times are between 240  to 300 secs with a lot doing ca  280 secs.  Many 
results have several making the 5 min round, probably due  to some thermal 
assistance but ,at the later 7 min round most models miss the  max  when thermals 
have died down.  This seems to confirm mine and  Tapio's conclusion that the 
best models are doing around 5 mins maximum in  "still" air. 
 I think this reflects both the current state of  model  development and the 
fact that Tan Super Sport is being used more and more,  even in big fly offs.  
So please let's here no more about un-necessary  further reductions in rubber 
weight.  I also agree that too much is being  made of so called 
"difficultues" in fly offs.  Going straight to a 7 min  round sounds an excellent idea, if 
it is flown late enough in the day, or in the  early morning.    There is 
certainly no special problem with F1B  as opposed F1A or C.  I wish I had a "7 min 
F1B" and I suspect even the top  flyers do too, if they were honest.
 
Yours respectfully
Peter King

Rubber weight again
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Rubber weight again,
 
On re reading Tapio's remarks about te desirability of having both the 5  and 
7 min rounds, over going straight to 7min, I think he is right and have  
changed my opinion.  I still wouldn't mind going straight to 7 mins (most  local 
UK comps have a one off, open fly off anyway), but it must be at a  time of 
lower thermal activity.  Tapio's insistance on the 5 min round  first does make 
for a more exciting and meaningful comp. where the very best  guys are able to 
show their superiority in a more demanding  situation.
 
Peter King


Model Perfomance
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Model Perfomance

Shortening towlines and reducing engine runs and motor weights will do 
nothing to alleviate so-called "field size" concerns. On any given day, 
thermals and wind will make virtually any model go off the field. As Roger 
mentions, the AMA has procedures in place to address this. Max flights are 
lowered.
As for eliminating thermal detection devices, why do this?
All you have ensured is that luck will dictate the winner. Moreover, Jack 
Reid mentions getting back to the days of feeling leg hairs raise as to when 
to launch.
Isn' this also "thermal detection"?
The point is that technology, for good or bad, has found us. Reducing 
towline length, engine runs or motor weight only increases our dependancy on 
even more complex and expensive models and components.
Like Walt mentioned: let's get those who are active behind all these ghost 
proposals to come forward for a public dialogue.
Bill Shailor


Rules Changes
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with all the heated conversations in regards to flyoffs and performance the most 
simple solution would be to have the flyer build his own model and then we would 
no longer have to worry about "which twin has the tony" or have we forgotten all 
about that this was once a hobby referred to as BUILDING and flying model airplanes  
not BUYING and flying model airplanes.........
  repectfully submitted,Krine RED Laffler AMA 859


F1b
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Lets cut  F1B performance  by going  back to R.O.G.

Scrap that idea. I  just tried  getting up and down of f the floor.

It would give an unfair advantage to all those under 70


Adrian Bryant



F1E TEAM SELECTION
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Roger,
    Please put the following announcement in the next SEN.
    
        USA 2007 F1E TEAM SELECTION
    
    The team selection for the 2007  F1E world championship team, both senior 
and Junior, will be held on June 2,3,4 2007 at the Lake Wilson Kansas soaring 
sites.
     Contact AMA'S competition department to enter and receive an information 
package. The entry fee is $50.00.  The deadline for entry is May 1 2007.
      There is no entry fee for Juniors.
    
    For additional information contact:    
    Robert Sifleet    This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it._ (mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.)    or,  
1 800 206 8092             
     

The ultimate event?
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With all due respect to Walt Ghio, his statement that "The FAI model is the 
ultimate event of Free Flight models" has to be questioned. I don't believe 
there is any "ultimate" free flight model or class. All have their unique 
challenges in terms of construction, trimming, and flying competitively. 
Getting a peanut scale mode to fly for two minutes indoors or a twin-engine 
rubber scale model to win at the Flying Aces Nationals represents a 
"ultimate" achievement to those fliers who enjoy rubber scale. And what of 
the two indoor fliers, Steve Brown and John Kagan, both of whom have flown 
their F1D models for over one hour? Or hand launched glider enthusiasts who 
routinely have flights of over 75 seconds indoors, or nostalgia power fliers 
who fly very well without benefit of sophisticated assists? And these are 
just a few examples of the many facets of free flight.

All of us who love free flight, in whatever form we prefer, are in this 
sport/hobby together. To each of us, whatever event we are competing in is, 
at that moment, the "ultimate event." But asserting its supremacy over all 
the others does little to maintain the important unity of enjoyment and 
continuity we all strive for. Free flight is bigger than any one event or 
class of events.

Bob Clemens 


Fai Rules
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Roger.
there seems to be a whole bunch of stupid stuff going
on when flying in the Fai events.
It apears that 5the contest director or event director
of theese contests are doing everything they can to
eliminate the posibility of having a fly off.
long first max.
fourth or fifth max five or six minutes long.
this is all stupid stuff.
if the cd or event director don't want to be bothered
with the task of having a large number in the fly off
than don't have the event.
fly the event as the rule book states that itshall be
flown.
large models seven flights of 180 sec each than
increase each flight by 60 sec until you have a
winner.
small models five flights of 120 sec ceach  than
increase each flight by 60 seconds until you have a
winner.
follow the rule book and you can't go wrong.
if you fly this way than someone who wants to take a
shot at the exixting record for that event may do so
if he or she so pleases 
if you fly the event useing the stupid stuff than
there can br no reciord attempt.
i say down with the stupid stuff and fly the events as
the rule book intended them to be flown
Don.



 
Estimating Altitude
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Roger

This is a simple way to estimate the altitude of your model.  I thought some
flyers would like to try it out.

http://www.rcsoaringdigest.com/pdfs/AltStripes.pdf


Matt Gewain




Junior Championship F1ABP
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Author: Bernhard Schwendemann

Reports, pictures and the results of the junior championship 2006 in Germany
you will find on the website of the German free flight magazin Thermiksense:
www.thermiksense.de
goto "Junioren-WM"


 

.............
Roger Morrell