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News and Reports 2003
 SCAT Electronic News 16 December 2003 issue 839

Table of Contents
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Finding F1P - Van Nest
Old Kits
Covering with tissue - Markos
Re:VECO Dakota Biplane to RC - Myers
Looking for hooks - Ben Noon
Shiney Side Up - Coleman
Thanks for Info
Fw: F1A Regulation - Brocks,and Chaussebourg
NFFS Pubs - 1
NFFS Pubs - 2
2004 CUFFMAC EVENT CALENDAR 

Finding F1P
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Roger,
I have seen a couple of inquiries lately about F1P plans on SEN. I can 
provide astrostar 404 plans if anyone is interested. It is a Terry Thorkidsen 
design, the drawing was done by Craig Cusick. The cost would be $10.00 includin
g 
postage. The plan would be mailed rolled in a tube and the profit from the sale
 
would go toward to Jr. Program.
At this time I have two sets of laser cut ribs with plans for $25.00. If 
there are any Jr. or Sr. interested, they should contact Jim Parker at 
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. They may qualify for a complete kit.
Thanks,
Bob Van Nest
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Old Kits
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I got a phone call from  Richard Swegerl of Metford OR. He has
a number of FF kits of the 40's and 50's from  Harry Lowe. These
include a Struck Sky Buggy, Comet Sailplane, Zipper, Jaguar, Southerner Mite ,.
plus some plans - call him on 541 773 5479 if you are interested.


Covering with tissue
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Roger,
To answer the questions in the last SEN, I would advise the author of the 
request to try a Google search.  I typed in "japanese tissue covering model 
airplanes" and found two very good articles that will probably do quite nicely 
for 
him.   I was motivated to do a quick search after I wrote in about silkspan 
last week.  All you need to know about silkspan was already on the net.   

My normal method of covering is to coat the framework with nitrate dope and 
brush acetone through the tissue while it is in contact with the doped 
framework.   For some of my Science Olympiad students, we use a gluestick as th
e 
tissue adhesive.   I think Art Ellis' kids also use a gluestick and are able to
 
water shrink the tissue afterwards, although I have never tried that myself.  I
 
have found that if the gluestick adhesive dries out during the covering process
 
(from working too slow) it can be reactivated by brushing a little water 
through the tissue.   I have never tried so-called "white glues" for covering. 
  
After a couple or three years of campaigning a model, I usually strip the 
tissue using acetone and plastic wrap.  Acetone won't loosen water-based adhesi
ves 
(white glue).

I've heard it said many times that butyrate dope has inferior adhesion for 
tissue covering compared to nitrate, but have never tested it myself.  Could 
this be the modelers' equivalent of an urban myth?

Shiny side up!

Chuck Markos



Re:VECO Dakota Biplane to RC
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I don't know of anyone who has tried to convert a Dakota to RC--but a few 
Years back one of the US magazines published an RC design called The Osprey (I 

think that was the name) which was essentially a scaled up Dakota.  It was most
 
probably in RC  Modeler--but a search on the web for that name should get you 
a scaled RC Dakota.

Mike Myers 



Looking for hooks
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Hi,

I published about the tow hooks a few days ago and I saw that the address is
wrong.
My mail address is: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
As I said before, I am looking for some tow hooks for sale.
I would like to purchase 7 tow hooks M&K style.
Those are for my young students (13) and must be at a reasonable price.

Sincerely yours,
Ofer Ben- Noon

Shiney Side Up
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Tom,
The shiney side is the up side. The grain will run across the narrow width.
Two coats of dope to the framwork to be covered is the most common method.
Then shrink with water or alcohol. There are paper glues such as "UHU" that
work quite well to attach tissue and can be obtained at stationary stores
like Staples or Office Depot.
Thermals,
Roger C


Thanks for Info
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Thanks to all for the Woebbeking section coordinates. Gerhard Woebbeking was 
kind enough to email me along with the rest of you.
Thanks, 
Chris Parkyn




Fw: F1A Regulation
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Andy, Dan and Jim, here is some feedback from Pierre Chaussebourg in 
reference to the incident at the Arizona FF Champs in the F1A fly-off.

Roger, I don't know if this is too long for SEN - but it might be 
interesting for others. You decide...

Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: Pierre Chaussebourg
To: Peter Brocks
Cc: Ian Kaynes
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: F1A Regulation


Peter,
Here is my answer. I also send it to Ian Kaynes, and I am going to
transfer your message to him as it is an interesting situation which may
happen during a World or Continental Championship.

According to the existing rule and to the report you have got from the
timekeeper, your decision was good (to my opinion!)

I was trying to understand how a model which dethermalises on the line
can then be free... I guess there has been an intent to release the
model, so the hook unlatched, then the ring was still in the unlatched
hook when the model DTed and then the model got free of the line and
came down within 13 seconds...
The timekeeper must have really good eyes to see all that which may
happen against the sun, or quite far from the starting line...
It is pretty sure that this is an unacceptable situation with a rule
which is very difficult to apply.
Suppose the timekeeper would have say:" I am sorry but the model DTed
just after the pennant went out of the model... then it was a 13 seconds
flight.

In this typical case, this situation is the result of a timer failure
which is probably because of something wrong somewhere... which is not
acceptable at a World or Continental Championship level (also World cup
contest level).
For me, the only way to solve this problem in the future is the ban of
the 20 second attempt rule.

I guess Ian Kaynes will also give you his opinion which may be different
from mine...

It is getting cold here (freezing every night) and we prepare to go to
the Alps for the winter season!

My best wishes for you both,
Pierre
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Peter Brocks
  To: Pierre Chaussebourg
  Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:39 PM
  Subject: F1A Regulation


  Hello Pierre,

  I hope that you and your family are well.

  Last weekend we had our Arizona Free Flight Championships in Eloy. The
weather was great except for some wind in the first two rounds F1ABC on
Saturday. The high temperature during the day was 28=B0C.

  I was in charge of the F1A fly-off when we had a controversy which
concerned Regulation 3.1.5.f. This is what happened: Andrew Barron
accelerated his glider to launch and when he was getting close to
release towline angle the model made a small diameter loop and with the
stabilizer at 35-40=B0 negative angle landed after 13 seconds. I
questioned the time keepers (one was Jim Parker) what they had observed
and they told me that the model had "dethermalized" on the line and
because of it came free of the launching cable. Andrew Barron's glider
has electronic controls and has different stabilizer settings for
tow-up. Instead of increasing the negative angle of the stab slightly
the linkage released the stab completely to "DT".

  My ruling was that because this occurred before the model was released
from the tow line the "dethermalizing" took place before the flight
started he could repeat this unsuccessful attempt. His second attempt
was good and he won the fly-off.

  Afterwards we all discussed this and everybody agreed with this
decision. What are your thoughts? We all know how this regulation
originated but the question is: "what is dethermalizing?". If a model
does not come out of "bunt" after the launch and hits the ground in a
few seconds it definitely came out of any thermal quickly. You could
definitely argue that the model dethermalized.

  Pierre, please comment.

  Merci beaucoup!

  Peter  



NFFS Publications Changes
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To all of the NFFS members and others interested in NFFS Publications. The 
current Publications Director, Jim Zolbe, has tendered his resignation from thi
s 
position effective immediately. He has assured me that orders currently in 
the qeue will be filled, but no future orders will be accepted.
The Publications stock will be forwarded to the new Publications director, 
who has not been officially named by incoming President Rex Hinson.
My suggetion to anyone planning to order from NFFS Publications is to 
withhold your order until future notice. 
I expect an announcement regarding a replacement within the week.
Thanks to all for your understanding,
Bob Stalick, President (for the next 20 days)
NFFS

 


 

NFFS Publications Services
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Hi Roger,
I am please announce that Bob Stalick has agreed to become the NFFS 
Publications Services person replacing Jim Zolbe. Send any future orders 
for NFFS publications to:

Bob Stalick
5066 NW Picadilly Circle
Albany OR. 97321

Email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Rex Hinson,  President
NFFS






2004 CUFFMAC EVENT CALENDAR 
===========================
Final 12/04/03

JAN

3-4
SCAT
Desert Challenge
Taft – FAI & Mini

10-11
IMS Show Ontario Ca.
9th-10th-11th

17-18-19 
Southwest Regionals
17-18-19 th Eloy Az.

24-25
SUPER BOWL
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 25h
F.M.C     MADERA 25th

FEB
31-1
SCAMPS
Haggart – Bowden
Nostalgia 1st Perris

Feb. 1  NCFFC Banquet
Stockton  3:00 pm

7-8
ISAACSON
WINTER CLASSIC
Lost Hills

13-14-15  
MAX MEN INT’L
FAI 14 Rounder FAI mini
13th-15 th    Lost Hills
WORLD CUP

PMAC/TFFC
PRESIDENT’S CUP
ELOY ARIZONA  15th

21-22
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 22 nd

28-29
F.M.C   LOST HILLS 29th

MAR                    
6-7 
SCAT ANNUAL
F1A, F1B, F1C,
F1G, F1H, F1J  Lost Hills
SCIF KICK OFF
Taft
SGMA
SPRING BASH 7 th

13-14
CUFFMAC 15th
ANNUAL  BANQUET
Castaways
Sunday 3/14/04
 11 a.m.- 4 p.m.
RSVP 805-495-5449

20-21
PMAC/TFFC
SPRING BREAK
21 rd
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 21 st

27-28

LOST HILLS FAI Challenge F1A, F1B, F1C
Lost Hills

F.M.C     MADERA 28th

APR
3-4 
SIERRA
CHAMPIONSHIPS
Waegell Field 4 th

SCIF Fun Fly
Grassy Knoll  4 th.

10-11
EASTER

17-18 
SAN VALEERS Annual
AMA and FAI 7 rounder
F1A, F1B, F1C
AND MINI. Lost Hills
SCAMPS Texaco – Taft

S.D.O. Otay Mesa 18 th

24-25 
PMAC/TFFC
I - 10 CHALLENGE

F.M.C  LOST HILLS 25th

MAY

1-2 
NOR CAL CHAMPS
Sacramento, Ca .

BFT 28th Annual
AMA Gas
Lost Hills (805) 577-5931

8-9
Mothers Day

15-16
PMAC
HOT STUFF
16 th
Orbiteer Semi-Annual
AMA & O.T. SCALE
Otay Mesa 15th-16-th

22-23
F.M.C   MADERA 23rd

29-30 
Taft Free Flight Contest
Taft
HATRAK Flying  
           Wing 29th
BIG AL’S F.A.I Shootout
Lost Hills

JUN

5-6 
RICK & LYNN’S
SLO GAS EVENT
Taft

SCIF Fun Fly
Grassy Knoll 6 th

12-13
WESTERN STATES CHAMPS Sacramento, Ca
June 13
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 13th


19-20
FATHERS DAY
SCAMPS
“Lotto” & Fun Fly
Twin Pusher Perris 20 th
SCAT Summer Madness
F1A, F1B, F1C, F1G, 
F1H, F1J - Lost Hills

26-27
BLACK SHEEP
Grassy Knoll 27 th
50 Yr. Old Plan

F.M.C    LOST HILLS 27th

JUL
3-4
MOONEY’s BOSTONIAN
Otay Mesa   4th
C.L. World Champs
Muncie 4 th- 10 th

10-11
17-18
MAX MEN
SUMMER CONTEST
ALL FAI - Lost Hills

24-25
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 18th

31-1??
F.M.C  MADERA 25th


AUG
AMA Free flight NATS
2 nd – 6 th
Muncie

7-8
S.D.O.
Jimmy Allen
Otay Mesa 8th

14-15
SCIF
Fun Fly
Sepulveda Basin - 15th
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 15th

21-22
28-29
F.M.C    LOST HILLS 29t9

SEP
4-5 
DUAL CLUB            
ANNUAL                
AMA – FAI – NOS.
Lost Hills

11-12
SAM CHAMPS
13th-17th   Muncie.
BLACK SHEEP
DIELS Co2
50 Yr. Old Plan

18-19
PMAC/TFFC
FALL KICK OFF  19 th
STOCKTON AMA/RC  OT Contest Waegell Field
   Sacramento Sept. 19
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 19th

25-26 
United States Free Flight CHAMPS
Lost Hills 

OCT
2-3
J. LIVOTTO  FAI
CAL. INVITATIONAL
SCAT MINI FIG,H,J
Lost Hills

9-10 
United States Free Flight TEAM FINALS
Lost Hills
7th-10th
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 10th

16-17
SAN VALEERS
Nost. Annual Taft
SIERRA CUP
Sacramento  Oct. 15-17
World Cup
 
23-24
PMAC/TFFC
GHOST RIDERS – 17th
LAS VEGAS
S .W. FAI Challenge
Orbiters

Oct. 23 NCFFC 
Business meeting

30-31
BFT 7th Annual
Terminator Challenge
Lost Hills (805) 577-5931

F.M.C     Lost Hills 31st

NOV
6-7
SCIF  O.T. & TEXACO
SCAMPS O.T. ANNUAL 
LOST HILLS
SGMA
FALL CUP 7 th

13-14
PATTERSON
FAI & Mini
Lost Hills
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 14h

20-21
S.D.O. WWI Scale
Otay Mesa 21st
PMAC/TFFC 
Turkey Shoot 21st

27-28
CUFFMAC Business Meeting 28 th
F.M.C   Madera 28th

DEC
4-5
STEVE & LYNN’S
Christmas Fun Fly    Taft 
SCIF Fun Fly
Grassy Knoll 5 th
PMAC/TFFC  
A.Z.  F.F.  CHAMPS  ELOY . 
       
11-12
TFFC 
Toys- for- Tots
Record trials 
12 th
Eloy

18-19
S.D.O. Otay Mesa 19th

25-26
F.M.C   MADERA 26 th


......................
Roger Morrell