SEN-494 October 29 2000

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News and Reports 2000 - second half
SCAT Electronic News 29 October 2000 Issue 494


Table of Contents
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America Cup results - with individual placings
True Far Field View - Andresen
Re: Audio Doppler ? - Jensen
FlexTime - Morris
Extended Maxes, Another Option - Bradley
National Cup

America Cup results - with individual placings
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Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 15 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
MM 32 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 19 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 3 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
EFF -X- Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
NCA 10 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
FFA -X- FFAMS, Muncie. IN
BAl 20 Big Al
McL 3 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
IFA 4 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
MMM 4 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
TCC 4 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
USO 26 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF -X- NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 4 Empire State FF Champs, NY
AFA 6 Chicago Aeronuts-Muncie, IN
IMA 11 Autumn Cup, CFB Borden Ontario Canada
WFA 1 Western FAI Challenge- Harts Lake, WA
DC 3 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CIA 1 CIA, Hoosier Cup, Muncie, IN
CFA 24 Calif. FAI Invit. (Livotto
SC -X- Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SA 0 Skyscrapper Annual/Challenge, NY
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
USF 0 USFF Champs, Lost Hills, CA
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1A
1 Spence, Steve 104 SWR-1 MM-1 SCT-1 TCC-2
2 Fedor, Mike 90 SCT-2 McL-2 TCC-1 USO-2
3 Hines, Lee 80 MM-2 SCA-5* SCT-3 BAl-5* USO-3 CFA-3
4 Sifleet, Bob 71 USO-1 ESF-3 AFA-1
5 Cowley, Martyn 69 SWR-5 MM-3 SCA-2 BAl-3* USO-4
6 McKever, Mike 62 SCA-3 NCA-1 CFA-4
7 Parker, Jim 56 SWR-2 NCA-5 BAl-2
7 VanNest, Brian 56 SWR-4 NCA-4 CFA-1
9 Markos, Chuck 46 IFA-3* AFA-2 CIA-1
10 Tzvetkov,Tzvetan 45 IFA-1 ESF-2 AFA-4*
10 Schlosberg, Aram 45 IFA-2 ESF-1
10 McQuade, Pete 45 MMM-2 DC-1
13 Brun, Pierre 40 SCA-1 USO-5
13 Smitz, Willard 40 MMM-1 DC-3
15 Barron, Andrew 35 MM-5 CFA-2
16 Davis, Jon 34 SWR-3 MMM-3
17 Puhakka, Risto 32 SCA-4 NCA-3
18 Protheroe, Dan 30 BAl-1
18 Murphy, Jerry 30 MMM-4 DC-2
20 Mackenzie, Gord 27 IMA-1
21 Bradley, Jim 25 McL-1
21 Lane, Robert 25 WFA-1
23 Busnelli, Ernesto 22 NCA-2
23 Boiadjien, Todor 22 IMA-2
25 Lenartowicz, C 17 IMA-3
26 Scharb, Bill 16 AFA-3
27 Zink, Don 15 BAl-4
27 Weiler, Randy 15 MM-4
27 Leath, Don 15 McL-3
27 Fedor, Jeff 15 TCC-3
31 Allnutt, Peter 12 IMA-4
32 Ellis, Dave (Jr) 10 IFA-4
32 Schelp, John* 10 TCC-4
32 Kozlyuk, Dimitro* 10 CFA-5
35 Horak, Ladislav 7 IMA-5
36 Lorbiecki, John 6 AFA-5
37 Fags, Kevork 5 ESF-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 23 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
MM 50 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 21 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 3 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
EFF 5 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
NCA 17 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
FFA -X- FFAMS, Muncie. IN
BAl 21 Big Al
McL 3 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
IFA 5 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
MMM 5 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
TCC 3 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
USO 33 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF -X- NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 7 Empire State FF Champs, NY
AFA 10 Chicago Aeronuts-Muncie, IN
IMA 6 Autumn Cup, CFB Borden Ontario Canada
WFA 5 Western FAI Challenge- Harts Lake, WA
DC 4 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CIA 3 CIA, Hoosier Cup, Muncie, IN
CFA 30 Calif. FAI Invit. (Livotto
SC -X- Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SA 0 Skyscrapper Annual/Challenge, NY
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
USF 0 USFF Champs, Lost Hills, CA
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1B
1 Sessums, John 105 SWR-1 BAl-2 USO-3 CFA-1
2 Wood, Dick 101 SCT-1 EFF-3* McL-2* MMM-2* TCC-3* ESF-1 WFA-1 DC-1 CIA-3*
3 McGlashan, Jerry 98 MM-3* MMM-1 ESF-2 AFA-1 IMA-4* CIA-1
4 Morrell, Roger 75 SWR-4 MM-1 EFF-2 CFA-5
5 Crowley, Paul 73 SWR-5 MM-2 IFA-4 CIA-2
5 Shailor, Bill 73 IFA-1 USO-2 AFA-2* CFA-3
7 Pearce, Fred 60 SWR-3 SCT-3 TCC-1
8 Ghio, Walt 49 MM-4 NCA-2 BAl-5
9 Blom, Fred 41 EFF-1 ESF-3
10 Ladislan, Horak* 39 IFA-2 IMA-3
10 Tymchek, Bob 39 MM-5 NCA-1
12 Brush, Al 35 SCA-3 BAl-4
13 Parkyn, Chris 33 IFA-2 USO-5
14 Ellis, Dave (jr) 30 USO-1
14 Furutani, Norm 30 BAl-1
14 Mulligan, Mike 30 SCA-1
14 OReilly, Jim 30 SCT-4 DC-2
14 Pratt, John 30 SCA-4 USO-4
19 Ackerley, C 26 IMA-1
20 Joyner, Louis 25 McL-1
20 Luken, Jim 25 SCA-2
20 Piserchio, Bob 25 SWR-2
20 Jenswn, Blake 25 CFA-2
24 Chritchlow, Bob 24 SCA-5 NCA-4
25 Brooks, Jim 21 IMA-2
26 Arzamendi, Aaron Jr 20 SCT-2
26 Cooney, Ralph 20 WFA-2
26 Maves, Roger 20 MMM-4 DC-4
26 Rohrke, Rich 20 BAl-3
26 Wiley, Ed 20 TCC-2
31 Hanna, Bruce 19 NCA-3
32 Friebis, Joe 18 ESF-4 AFA-5
32 Ioerger, Tom 18 ESF-5 AFA-4
34 Matsuno, Chris 17 AFA-3
35 Davis, Evan Jr 15 MMM-3
35 Ewing, Rick 15 WFA-3
35 Hinson, Rex 15 McL-3
35 Jones, Darold 15 DC-3
35 Dorsett, Chuck 15 CFA-4
40 Khurshuodain, Albert 10 EFF-4
40 Schroeder, Lee 10 WFA-4
42 Norvall, Larry 9 NCA-5
43 Stewart, O.C. * 8 IFA-5
44 Rowsell, Doug 6 IMA-5
45 Gibbons, Bill 5 MMM-5
45 Tracey, Dan 5 WFA-5
45 Wang, Lee Sr 5 EFF-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 12 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
MM 23 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 7 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 3 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
EFF -X- Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
NCA 1 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
FFA -X- FFAMS, Muncie. IN
BAl 13 Big Al
McL 3 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
IFA 6 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
MMM 1 MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
TCC 4 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
USO 9 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF -X- NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 3 Empire State FF Champs, NY
AFA 4 Chicago Aeronuts-Muncie, IN
IMA 7 Autumn Cup, CFB Borden Ontario Canada
WFA 2 Western FAI Challenge- Harts Lake, WA
DC -X- Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CIA -X- CIA, Hoosier Cup, Muncie, IN
CFA 10 Calif. FAI Invit. (Livotto
SC -X- Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SA 0 Skyscrapper Annual/Challenge, NY
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
USF 0 USFF Champs, Lost Hills, CA
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1C
1 Spence, Henry 102 SWR-4* MM-2 SCT-1 McL-1 TCC-4* USO-1 CFA-3*
2 Gutai, Bob 95 SWR-3 MM-1 IFA-1 USO-5* ESF-3* IMA-2
3 Schlachta, Frank 83 MM-4 USO-2 ESF-2 IMA-1
4 Sifleet, Bob 78 IFA-4* USO-3 ESF-1 AFA-2 IMA-3
5 Archer, Randy 66 SWR-1 SCA-1 CFA-4
6 Parker, Faust 65 MM-5 SCT-3 McL-3 TCC-1
7 Poti, Norm 47 MM-3 USO-4 AFA-3
7 Mc Burnett, Ron 47 WFA-1 CFA-2
9 Morris, Gil 46 IFA-2 AFA-1
10 Stiles,Charles 43 BAl-2 McL-2
11 Kerger, Terry 42 SWR-5 SCA-5 BAl-1
12 Keck, Ed 33 SWR-2 ESF-4
13 Simpson, Roger 32 NCA-1 CFA-5
14 Happersett, Ken 27 CFA-1
15 Johannes, Bob* 26 IFA-5 TCC-2
16 Solomon, Rolond 25 MMM-1
17 Warren, John 21 SCA-2
18 Troutman, Mark 20 SCT-2
18 Roberts, Mike 20 WFA-2
20 Oliver, Ken 19 SCA-4 BAl-5
21 Perkins, Darrell 18 BAl-3
22 Bordersen, Hardy 16 IFA-3
22 Joyce, Doug 16 SCA-3
24 Reid Simpson 15 TCC-3
25 Sahlberg, Peter 13 BAl-4
26 Condon, E 11 IMA-4
27 Loriecki, John 10 AFA-4
28 Sugden, Dave 6 IMA-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 13 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
MM 22 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 12 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 2 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
EFF 2 Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
NCA 16 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
FFA 10 FFAMS, Muncie. IN
BAl 14 Big Al
McL 5 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
IFA 8 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
MMM -X- MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
TCC 7 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
USO 40 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 6 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 5 Empire State FF Champs, NY
AFA 13 Chicago Aeronuts-Muncie, IN
IMA -X- Autumn Cup, CFB Borden Ontario Canada
WFA 3 Western FAI Challenge- Harts Lake, WA
DC 2 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CIA 4 CIA, Hoosier Cup, Muncie, IN
CFA 11 Calif. FAI Invit. (Livotto
SC 8 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SA 0 Skyscrapper Annual/Challenge, NY
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
USF 0 USFF Champs, Lost Hills, CA
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1G
1 Wood, Dick 103 SWR-3* SCT-1 EFF-1 BAl-2* McL-3* IFA-2* TCC-2* ESF-4* AFA-1 WFA-2* DC-1 CIA-4* CFA-5*
2 O Dwyer 81 SCT-2 McL-1 TCC-1 USO-5
3 Critchlow, Bob 73 MM-4 SCA-1 NCA-4 NWF-3
4 Jensen, Gene 68 MM-3 NWF-1 CFA-2
4 Konefes, Ed 68 FFA-1 IFA-3 CIA-1
6 Brocks, Peter 66 SWR-2 CFA-3 SC-1
7 Emery, Jack 58 SCA-4 BAl-3 CFA-1
8 Tymchek, Bob 49 MM-2 NCA-2
8 Morrell, Roger 49 MM-1 BAl-5 SC-4
10 Kamla, John 45 NCA-5 NWF-4 WFA-1
11 Ioeger, Tom 43 ESF-2 AFA-2
11 Williams, Joseph 43 FFA-3 IFA-1
13 Cole, Hank 42 SCA-2 NCA-3
13 Davis, Mike 42 NCA-1 BAl-4
15 Markos, Chuck 37 FFA-2 CIA-3
16 Wiley, Ed 36 TCC-3 USO-3
17 Myers, Dick* 34 BAl-1 SC-5
18 Vargo, Edward 30 USO-1
19 Klintworth, Phil 28 SWR-1
20 Factor, Ray 25 ESF-1
20 Simon, Paul 25 USO-2
22 Bresnan, Joe 21 NWF-2
22 Clapp, John 21 IFA-5 ESF-3
22 Batiuk, George 21 SC-2
25 Campbell, Lee 20 CIA-2
25 Hepler, Erick* 20 McL-2
25 Murphy, Jerry 20 DC-2
28 Crowley, Paul 18 SWR-5 MM-5
28 Kendy, L 18 SCA-3
28 Watters, John* 18 AFA-3
31 Davis, Bill 16 SC-3
32 Jahnke, Ross 15 USO-4
32 Pollard, Frank 15 WFA-3
34 O Reilly, Jim 13 SWR-4
34 Sova, Steve* 13 AFA-4
36 Stewart, Oval 12 FFA-4
36 Cooney, Ralph 12 CFA-4
38 Pederson, Joe* 11 TCC-4
38 Sneed, Ed 11 IFA-4
40 Hepler, Tom 10 McL-4
41 Matsuno, Chris 8 AFA-5
41 White, Bob 8 SCA-5
43 Watters,John 7 FFA-5
44 Hilliard, George 6 TCC-5
44 Mancinilli, Ivan* 6 NWF-5
46 Hardin, Ed 5 McL-5
46 Blom, Fred 5 ESF-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 9 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
MM 11 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 6 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 3 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
EFF -X- Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
NCA 11 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
FFA 3 FFAMS, Muncie. IN
BAl 9 Big Al
McL 4 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
IFA 5 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
MMM -X- MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
TCC 1 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
USO 16 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF -X- NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 5 Empire State FF Champs, NY
AFA 5 Chicago Aeronuts-Muncie, IN
IMA -X- Autumn Cup, CFB Borden Ontario Canada
WFA -X- Western FAI Challenge- Harts Lake, WA
DC 1 Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CIA 1 CIA, Hoosier Cup, Muncie, IN
CFA 9 Calif. FAI Invit. (Livotto
SC 5 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SA 0 Skyscrapper Annual/Challenge, NY
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
USF 0 USFF Champs, Lost Hills, CA
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1H
1 VanNest, Brian 101 SWR-1 MM-1 NCA-2 CFA-3* SC-1
2 Cowley,Martyn 100 SWR-4* MM-2* SCA-1 NCA-1 BAl-1 USO-5* SC-2
3 Busnelli, Ernesto 88 SWR-2 MM-3 BAl-2 CFA-1
4 Hines,Lee 81 SWR-3 SCA-5* SCT-1 NCA-3 CFA-2 SC-3*
5 Sifleet, Bob 74 IFA-1 USO-1 ESF-2 AFA-1*
6 Fedor, Mike 70 SCT-2 McL-1 TCC-1
7 Pailet, Jean 60 FFA-1 McL-4 IFA-5 ESF-4 AFA-4
8 Smith, Norm 50 SCA-2 NCA-4 CFA-5 SC-4
9 Markos, Chuck 45 FFA-2 IFA-3* USO-3* CIA-1
10 Schlarb, Bill 39 USO-2 AFA-3
11 Jones, Tom 35 ESF-3 AFA-2
11 Avallone, Michael 35 FFA-3 IFA-2
13 Brun, Pierre 33 BAl-5 USO-4 CFA-4
14 Norton, Bob 28 MM-5 SCA-3 SC-5
15 Smitz, Willard 25 DC-1
15 Nippert, Vic 25 ESF-1
17 Zink, Don 24 MM-4 BAl-4
17 Ghio, Walt 24 NCA-5 BAl-3
19 Grabski, Paul* 20 McL-2
20 Troutman, Mark 15 SCT-3
20 Thorn, Bob 15 McL-3
20 Crogan, Vince 15 IFA-4 ESF-5
23 Coussens,Steven(Jr)* 11 SCA-4
24 Buddenbohm, Stan 7 SWR-5
25 Jones, Ryan* (Jr) 5 AFA-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 6 Southwest Regionals- Eloy ,AZ
MM 13 MaxMen 14 Rounder- Lost Hills, CA
SCA 2 SCAT Annual- Lost Hills, CA
SCT 7 Spring Cup- Seguin TX
EFF -X- Eastern FF Champs, Ingleside, MD
NCA 9 NorCal FF Champs- Sacramento, CA
FFA 8 FFAMS, Muncie. IN
BAl 10 Big Al
McL 9 McLaughlan Fiesta 5 Flags - Pensacola, FL
IFA 5 Intercity FAI Muncie, IN
MMM -X- MMM 14 Rounder-Denver, CO
TCC 7 Texas Cloud Climbers, Allen TX
USO 22 US Outdoor Champs (NFFS)- Muncie, IN
NWF 2 NW FF Champs, Tanget, OR
ESF 3 Empire State FF Champs, NY
AFA 4 Chicago Aeronuts-Muncie, IN
IMA -X- Autumn Cup, CFB Borden Ontario Canada
WFA 2 Western FAI Challenge- Harts Lake, WA
DC -X- Dynasty Cup-Denver, CO
CIA 3 CIA, Hoosier Cup, Muncie, IN
CFA 6 Calif. FAI Invit. (Livotto
SC 6 Sierra Cup- Sacramento, CA
SA 0 Skyscrapper Annual/Challenge, NY
SWC 0 S.W. FAI Challenge, LasVegas, NV
ACT 0 Autumn Cup USAF Aux Field- Seguin, TX
USF 0 USFF Champs, Lost Hills, CA
PC 0 Patterson FAI Challenge- Lost Hills, CA
KOI 0 King Orange Intl- Palm Bay, FL

F1J
1 Gutai, Bob 108 SWR-1 MM-5* IFA-2* USO-1 ESF-1* CIA-2* CFA-1 SC-1
2 Parker, Faust 102 SWR-5* MM-1 SCT-1 McL-1 CFA-2
3 Roberts, Mike 89 MM-2 BAl-5* NWF-1 WFA-1 CFA-3
4 Johannas, Robert 88 SWR-2 FFA-3* IFA-1 TCC-1 USO-5* SC-3
5 Augustus, Bruce 83 SCA-1 BAl-3 NWF-2 CFA-4* SC-2
6 Poti, Norm 51 FFA-1 AFA-4* CIA-1
7 Spence, Steve 48 SWR-3 SCT-2 TCC-4
8 Galbreath, Doug 44 NCA-3 BAl-1
9 Gunder, Austin (Jr) 40 USO-2 CIA-3
10 Keck, Ed 35 USO-4 ESF-2
10 Fulmer, Keith 35 IFA-4 AFA-1
12 Greer, Jason 33 McL-4 TCC-2
12 Servaites, Bucky* 33 MM-4 USO-3
12 Snider, Russ 33 SCT-3 McL-3
12 Lynch, Bill 33 NCA-2 SC-4
16 Pailet, Jean 30 ESF-3 AFA-3
17 Warren, John 29 SWR-4 MM-3
18 Hannah, Bruce 27 NCA-1
19 Morris, Gil 26 FFA-2 IFA-5
20 Conton, Charles* 22 McL-2
20 Stiles, Charlie 22 BAl-2
22 Robbins, Gilbert 21 FFA-5 IFA-3
23 Furutani, Norm 20 SCA-2
23 Stalick, Bob 20 WFA-2
23 Marsh, Jack 20 AFA-2
26 Berry, Dan* 16 TCC-3
27 Kerger, Terry 12 BAl-4
27 Parsons, Dave 12 NCA-4
29 Frazier, Steve 11 FFA-4
30 Mace, Marvin 10 SCT-4
31 Bell, Bill 7 McL-5
31 Vanderbeek, Bill 7 NCA-5
33 Irwin, John 6 SCT-5
33 Sheffer, Jackie 6 TCC-5
33 Haught, Jim 6 SC-5


True Far Field View
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Roger,

Didn't realize Jim O'Reilly had an F1B that was loud enough to trigger an
audio tach. Hope the FAI doesn't get word or we'll need mufflers on rubber
models. Then there are those long Guitar Strings used in F1A.

For F1C, the models accelerate to over 100fps in a couple seconds. This is
essentially Mach 0.1, so an audio tach at the launch point would read 10%
low.

In a true far field with the model essentially at right angle to the tach,
there would be no correction.

By comparing a launch site tach with one beyond the flight path (like with a
tethered balloon) you can get the velocity for every stroke of the engine

For more thorough research, a far field, tripod mounted camcorder is a great
tool. It can be played back frame by frame to get velocity (using fuselage
length to find distance traveled per frame) throughout climb. Audio can be
used for RPM.

A really slick tool is the audio card in your computer. Software exists for
determining frequency and a bunch of other things. Some let you see every
cycle, like an oscilloscope

That camcorder isn't limited to F1C climb. It can also record F1A bunts,
F1B climb and glide of all models. Highly underutilized.

Do you have to go Over the Rainbow to see that Fantastic F1B, Toto?

H



Re: Audio Doppler ?
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Jim,

Depends on what information's you are looking for. If you simply want
the RPM profile, you'll have to measure the final height and guess the
speed profile. Having the Tachometer placed far (300m/900ft) from the
place you launch the model will reduce Doppler effect, especially in the
beginning of the climb. Using 2 tachometers, one next the model, on far
away will help you estimate the unknown parameters. If you log both and
set up a spreadsheet with the data, you'll be able to make a pretty good
estimate.

I anyone is interested, I will include a RPM logging feature in my
timer. This will give you the accurate figures. Entering these into a
spreadsheet along with data from just one tachometer will enable
measurement of height and speed profile, so this actually takes
advantage of the Doppler Effect rather than attempt to compensate it
away.

The upgrade will be free for MultiClass Version 2 timer users and will
only require an extra Hall element and 2 small magnets in the model.

Torleif.


FlexTime
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FlexTime benefits the CD. The CD can chose not to extend any rounds in
which case the contest is flown and scored as presently. However, if he
anticipates having timer problems at the end because of too many in the
flyoff, he can chose to extend one or more rounds. The call is his.
Gil Morris


Extended Maxes, Another Option
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Since the extended maxes are set by the organizers there is no Limit to what
is possible. They could choose the have the first round max set for 10
minutes, hence very likely no flyoff what so ever. Assuming a large number
"max out" based on the 180 second standard the contest is simply decided by
the excess time over 180 seconds for the first round. I now understand how
simple it is to solve the flyoff problem, make sure you don't have one.

Jim Bradley

National Cup
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The National Cup matrix will be included in the next attachment supplement.
..............
Roger Morrell